Ortho Questions Anyone

[Mayo Ortho]

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I am a two year vet. to the application process. Let me hear your questions about the application process if you have any.

 

[DDSSlave]

Sure. I'd like to hear about your program. How many cases do you see? How many orthagnathic, CL/P? Do you learn a variety of techniques? Pretty happy where you are?

What other programs would you recommend or not recommend applying to? For example, I know of one program that doesn't use NiTi and another "residontic" program where the residents for the most part teach themselves. I'm sure most of us applying are looking for a well rounded, strong program with great instructors. Knowing very little about different programs other that what's posted in websites, I'm sure we'd love to hear your impressions of any programs you're familiar with.

Thanks!

 

[Mayo Ortho]

Sure. I'd like to hear about your program. How many cases do you see? How many orthagnathic, CL/P? Do you learn a variety of techniques? Pretty happy where you are?

What other programs would you recommend or not recommend applying to? For example, I know of one program that doesn't use NiTi and another "residontic" program where the residents for the most part teach themselves. I'm sure most of us applying are looking for a well rounded, strong program with great instructors. Knowing very little about different programs other that what's posted in websites, I'm sure we'd love to hear your impressions of any programs you're familiar with.

Thanks!

Wow great questions. Mayo program is unique in that it has the same number of residents total (three) as it does full time faculty. The clinical aspect is structured somewhat like a private practice in that there are six assistants with the three residnets. THe average number of case starts is 150+ which from what I have heard is far more than any other program. Due to Mayo's reputation you will see as many Cleft/surgery cases as you desire not to mention just about every syndrome that you can imagine. Mayo's program teaches all technique to varing extents. Certain techniques like Begg are taught only in case you have cases referred to you. My experience overall has been good. The stipen $41,000 with no tuition was a plus as well. The instructors are all interested in your progress and are not above mixing alginate or helping at any time.
As far as other schools to consider I applied to 40 different school in 2 years so it would probably be easier to answer questions about the school you have questions about. Let me know.

 

[DDSSlave]

Wow, which programs did you not apply to? Kidding. I'll probably apply to 10-15 schools but haven't started narrowing the list. Most will probably be in the midwest/south. I'll just throw out a few programs I'm considering for conversation.

UT Memphis, Oklahoma, Iowa, UMKC, MCV, UNC, and Michigan.

 

[Mayo Ortho]

Wow, which programs did you not apply to? Kidding. I'll probably apply to 10-15 schools but haven't started narrowing the list. Most will probably be in the midwest/south. I'll just throw out a few programs I'm considering for conversation.

UT Memphis, Oklahoma, Iowa, UMKC, MCV, UNC, and Michigan.

It was a lot of programs but I wanted to get in bottom line!

OKlahoma- great progrma with great rep. Dr. Tuncay was the head but moved to another school not sure which. In the past has been an unmatched school for some reason. Last I checked was a 26 month program with pretty good ratios apps/acceptance. Mild cost of living.

UMKC- great progrma almost an OEC casualty. Very large number of applicants becasue of great stipen. Last checked was a 30 month program. Buddy of mine just graduated form their said it was top notch.

Iowa- another solid school will Dr. Thomas E. Southard as the head. 24 month program with a $19,000 stipen. Very organized program with great facilites, staff, and assistance. Small town of Iowa City (+or-?)

UNC- Probably the best rep of all schools because of Profitt. Although he is no longer the head his influence is still strong in the program. Beautiful area. 8000-10000 stipen depending on the year with tuition at 6,000-19,000 depending if you are in or out of state resident. 36 moth program

Michigan- top notch as well. They like to take their own. I have been told that only apply if your in the top 5%. 36 month program not sure on the exact numbers for tuition or stipen.

Not sure on MCV or Univ of Tenn

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

OKlahoma- great progrma with great rep. Dr. Tuncay was the head but moved to another school not sure which.

Tuncay is at Temple now. Our Dean claims that he is the reason why Temple's ortho program got a special commendation by the ADA recently

 

[SD-user]

What are the requirements to get in to Ortho - i.e. grades/test scores/rank/publish/work experience/dental school, etc . . .

Are there any publications with this information?

thx,

- SD

 

[kato999]

Thanks for taking the time out for your replies.

Did the stipend for mayo get cut a little by the GME funding? I remember people saying it was 50k or so.

Also, do you know why Dr. Larson left to head up the ortho dept at UMN? Did you apply to UMN, and what benefit do you think Mayo has over them?

Since Mayo has only one spot I imagine you really had a competitive application. Congrats.

 

[Mayo Ortho]

What are the requirements to get in to Ortho - i.e. grades/test scores/rank/publish/work experience/dental school, etc . . .

Are there any publications with this information?

thx,

- SD

Well the ADA puts a Post graduate guide to all the programs. In their book they supposedly have talked to the programs to rank the order of impotance of all the information you listed. It also will list application:acceptance ratios, stipens, number of cases, tuition, class rank requirement etc....

 

[Mayo Ortho]

Thanks for taking the time out for your replies.

Did the stipend for mayo get cut a little by the GME funding? I remember people saying it was 50k or so.

Also, do you know why Dr. Larson left to head up the ortho dept at UMN? Did you apply to UMN, and what benefit do you think Mayo has over them?

Since Mayo has only one spot I imagine you really had a competitive application. Congrats.

No actually Mayo's funding has been steadily increasing over the years. Last years first year resident received $38,000+ this year it is $40,000+ and increases each of your three years.

I am not totally sure why Dr. Larson left the program. I actually graduated from U of Minnesota. I think he wanted to do some private practice work, teach at U of MN, and participate more in organized dentistry. Then the U of MN, where he got his DDS, had serious problems because when Dr. Speidel retired they were without a Board Certified Dept Chair which is a requirement for Accreditation. So he stepped up to save the U's butt.. I think....

Overall I think the both are good programs. I think that Mayo has alot more to offer. They will usually get the lion's share of cleft cases as well as cranifacial anomolies patients. Mayo's stipen is attractive. Although U of MN does offer a stipen it basically just offsets the tuition cost. Things probably have changed since Dr. Larson has gotten their, but when I was attending U of MN the residents complained alot about feeling like the were being self taught. Some people like this freedom others need more guidance. At Mayo you will get over 150 case starts, compared to Minnesota's I would guess you would get around 50.

Competitive application is a good word to use.. My credentials were above the average but definitely it was more of what Mayo was looking for.. Good overall experiences with Air Force AEGD, contract dentist with the Public Health for a year, some research, references, board scores, personal statement.. I can't speak for all schools but there are a couple a school that really are looking at more than just the numbers. Please let me know if this answered your questions