Osteo Schools Ranked by MCAT scores

[WVSOMStdntDr]

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I found this on KCOM's website.
Osteopathic Medical Schools listed in descending order by total MCAT:

Western University of Health Sciences / College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific (Pomona, CA) MCAT: 10.00, 9.00, P, 9.00 total= 28
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey UMDNJ - School of Osteopathic Medicine (Strattford, NJ) MCAT: 9.24, 9.00, Q, 8.54 total= 26.78
Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University; MCAT: 9.01, 9.00, O, 8.76 total= 26.77
University of North Texas Health Science Center Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine (Fort Worth, TX) MCAT: 9.20, 8.72, O, 8.49 total= 26.41
Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine (San Francisco, CA) MCAT: 9.07, 8.99, NR, 8.19 total=26.25
Oklahoma State University Oklahoma State Univ. College of Osteopathic Medicine (Tulsa, OK) MCAT: 9.0, 8.0, O, 9.0 total= 26
Midwestern University Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine MCAT: 9.05, 8.34, O, 8.45 total=25.84
Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine (Des Moines, Iowa) Average MCAT: 8.7, 8.3, O, 8.2 total= 25.2
A.T. Still University of Health Sciences/Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine (Kirksville, MO) Average MCAT: 8.8, 8.2, O, 8.03 total= 25.03
University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine (Maine) Average MCAT: 8.64, 7.81, Q, 8.52 total= 24.97
Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine MCAT: 8.7, 8.0, O, 8.2 total=24.9
Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences (Kansas City, MO) Average MCAT: 8.64, 8.13, Q, 8.09 total=24.86
Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine (Philadelphia, PA) Average MCAT: 8.31, 8.04, P, 8.20 total= 24.55
Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine MCAT: 8.0, 8.0, P, 8.0 total= 24
Ohio University Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine (Athens, OH) Average MCAT: 8.32, 7.61, P, 8.03 total= 23.96
Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine (FLA) MCAT: 8.26, 7.76, N, 7.87 total= 23.89
West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine (Lewisburg, WV) Average MCAT: 7.3, 6.8, N, 7.8 total= 21.9
Pikesville College School of Osteopathic Medicine (Kentucky) MCAT: 7.50, 6.90, O, 7.30 total=21.70
New York Institute of Technology New York College of Osteopathic Medicine (Old Westbury, NY) Did NOT report
Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (Erie, PA) Did NOT report
Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine- (Bradenton, Florida campus)- Did NOT report
Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine - (Duluth, Georgia campus)- Did NOT report
Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine- (Las Vegas, Nevada campus)-Did NOT report

 

[spazzz]

it still blows my mind PCOM is that low. Considering everyone I know who is going to PCOM had over a 30

 

[countthestars]

it still blows my mind PCOM is that low. Considering everyone I know who is going to PCOM had over a 30

Well they are on the bottom not cause their average MCAT is low. Its becuase they dont report that sorta thing. Its the same for NYCOM, LECOM and Touro.

 

[DrMidlife]

People keep citing this and I see very little value in it. The last update was March '06, from Princeton's site, which is undated so it could be for 2004. The latest USNews data is from the 2004 test (for 2005 matriculation). And how does Princeton get the average MCAT for every US & Canadian school, when no other source has it? Do they just pull from the MSAR and CIB? And which average is published: accepted or matriculated?

So we have 4 year old data, from the paper-based MCAT, from an uncited source, with 5 DO schools not reporting. Plus 3 DO schools have matriculated classes since, and then 2 more are coming this year. So that's 10 schools, for which this year's application pool would LOVE to see data, that aren't represented.

Less credibility than wikipedia, imho.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=6361713&postcount=17

 

[Bond8204]

it really just tells you what schools put more of an emphasis on mcat. I also agree that these numbers are old and inaccurate.

 

[scowdeva]

Numbers on this are VERY old and inaccurate...I know for a fact that MSU reported just under a 28 last year (rounds up to 28) and they have said that this year will surpass that with the class they have accepted. Take this with a large grain of rock salt!

 

[thethethe]

i dont understand how the avg mcat score goes up every year. since the test is curved, and roughly the same number of students take the MCAT each year, the proportion of students with a certain score stays the same. And since almost every med school is increasing their class size, they should actually be dipping lowering into the mcat scores. (lower scores)

 

[Powdermonkey]

Yup, at least 2 years old because LMU-DCOM isnt even included in the list.

 

[countthestars]

i dont understand how the avg mcat score goes up every year. since the test is curved, and roughly the same number of students take the MCAT each year, the proportion of students with a certain score stays the same. And since almost every med school is increasing their class size, they should actually be dipping lowering into the mcat scores. (lower scores)

Well, there are a greater number of people applying every year and I suppose schools are just becoming more selective every year since they have a greater pool of people to choose from.

 

[thethethe]

do you think most DO school's avg MCAT is still under a 28? which ones are over?
thats what i got =D

 

[DrMidlife]

i dont understand how the avg mcat score goes up every year. since the test is curved, and roughly the same number of students take the MCAT each year, the proportion of students with a certain score stays the same. And since almost every med school is increasing their class size, they should actually be dipping lowering into the mcat scores. (lower scores)

MCAT scores haven't gone up. Acceptance rates went down. Let's go to the board.

Total class size has gone up maybe 300 seats per year, for a couple years. Total applicants is outpacing that by a huge margin. DO applicants/seats are roughly the same (maybe worse) than the 40% acceptance on the MD side.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

i dont understand how the avg mcat score goes up every year. since the test is curved, and roughly the same number of students take the MCAT each year, the proportion of students with a certain score stays the same. And since almost every med school is increasing their class size, they should actually be dipping lowering into the mcat scores. (lower scores)

There is a decent increase in people taking the test every year, and I'm guessing, more re-applicants. That is, people who didn't give up after the first time.

Also, there is probably a little more awareness of DO schools, so we have people applying to DO schools who it never would have occurred to them to do so in the past. I am one of these.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

MCAT scores haven't gone up. Acceptance rates went down. Let's go to the board.

Total class size has gone up maybe 300 seats per year, for a couple years. Total applicants is outpacing that by a huge margin. DO applicants/seats are roughly the same (maybe worse) than the 40% acceptance on the MD side.

Wow, that's a great graph. If medicine doesn't work out, you could be a statistician.

 

[DrMidlife]

Wow, that's a great graph. If medicine doesn't work out, you could be a statistician.

I'd do my PhD in Minimally False, Maximally Fast Data Presentation.

 

[countthestars]

Omg i can't stop laughing. That graph is amazing!

 

[Powdermonkey]

Omg i can't stop laughing. That graph is amazing!

MSPaint can work wonders. 😉

 

[Powdermonkey]

MCAT scores haven't gone up. Acceptance rates went down. Let's go to the board.

Total class size has gone up maybe 300 seats per year, for a couple years. Total applicants is outpacing that by a huge margin. DO applicants/seats are roughly the same (maybe worse) than the 40% acceptance on the MD side.

Seriously though, that should be printed and framed. Or at least saved. That could be used in so many other discussions. Like, just by throwing the graph out there, and changing the presentation of what the lines meant, you could really baffle some people. And quote some random sources. Perfect.

 

[thethethe]

that graph is really good, it answered my question nicely

 

[DrMidlife]

Out of curiosity, can you see what I was getting at with that graph, meaning that the X axis is MCAT score, Y axis is total # test takers, red line is historical, blue line is current, red smudge area more or less equals blue smudge area...?

Or is it so bad that it's just funny?

I was just trying to do something really fast, assuming people have seen this kind of graph a hundred billion times already. Like on every page in the first third of the MSAR.

If I accomplished edutainment that makes me really happy.

 

[countthestars]

Or is it so bad that it's just funny?
.

no, i get what you were trying to say in the graph, I just like how you painted the area under the graph.

more time to laugh about this after the rangers/devils game tonight. Go rangers!

 

[Powdermonkey]

Out of curiosity, can you see what I was getting at with that graph, meaning that the X axis is MCAT score, Y axis is total # test takers, red line is historical, blue line is current, red smudge area more or less equals blue smudge area...?

Or is it so bad that it's just funny?

I was just trying to do something really fast, assuming people have seen this kind of graph a hundred billion times already. Like on every page in the first third of the MSAR.

If I accomplished edutainment that makes me really happy.

Exactly. It was edutainment at its best. You did well.

 

[Bonsante]

Little FYI:

Students Who Entered the Class of 2010 for NSUCOM

Avg Undergraduate GPA 3.43
Avg Science GPA 3.33
Avg NonScience GPA 3.54
Avg MCAT Biology Score 8.80
Avg MCAT Phys Science Score 8.19
Avg MCAT Verbal Score 8.65
Avg MCAT Total Score 25.65

For TUCOM NV

Class of 2008 Class of 2009 Class of 2010 Class of 2012*
Total Students 70 110 135 ??

MCAT 24.58 25.21 25 27 ish

Science GPA 3.20 3.22 3.2 3.3-3.4

Overall GPA 3.31 3.31 3.3 3.5ish

Total Science Hours 75.00 71.48 70 ??

For LECOM Erie: 3.32 and MCAT 23.8
For WVSOM Erie: 3.4 and MCAT 22-23

 

[DrMidlife]

Little FYI:

cite your sources please.

 

[Bonsante]

http://www.neoperspectives.com/touro_university_nevada.htm for TUCOM NV (Roger told us what the avg was for the class of 2012)
http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html/pdf2html.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedicine.nova.edu%2Fadmiss%2Fforms%2Fprofilestats.pdf&images=yes NSUCOM is on their website
LECOM ERIE - wiki or look it up on PR website
WVSOM - also on their website
KCOM Cum 3.4 Sci 3.3 26
SOMA Cum 3.4 Sci 3.2 24

For KCOM and SOMA, I got a folder during my interview that gives me the stats.

I think each school avg GPA and MCAT has gone up a point or two, and I am not sure if I can give these numbers out.

 

[DiverDoc]

KCUMB told us that their MCAT avgs were 26-27 and they look pretty hard at Science GPA too.

 

[Bonsante]

When it comes to down to it, I think your GPA and MCAT are the most important factors in determining admission into a professional school, whether it's an allopathic, an osteopathic,a podiatic, or a grad school. Other things such as research, EC's, volunteering, community service, etc. just help distinguish applicants with similar credentials. Of course, there are exceptions, but you must have some CRAZY experiences or circumstances to be admitted into a school. Mediocrity serves a very minimal purpose. I wish I knew that when I started college.

 

[scpod]

When it comes to down to it, I think your GPA and MCAT are the most important factors in determining admission into a professional school....

Not quite, but close. Your MCAT and GPA are the most important factors in determining whether or not you get an interview. They are the easiest way to screen applicants because they are the only quantitative data. Your MCAT and GPA will not get you accepted, but they will get you an interview if they are good enough and you don't totally spaz on the rest of your primary and secondary app.

Keep in mind that the number of applicants to osteopathic schools has doubled in the past five years-- greatly surpassing the increase in available seats. So, the number of applicants with great GPAs and MCATs has also increased-- there are more people to choose from, so schools can be more selective. They can turn down applicants with 28 MCATs every day because there are Just so many more of them. They really CAN look at the other parts of your app more closely because the applicant pool is superior based on the quantitative data available.

 

[thethethe]

upward trend is also very important right?

 

[Bonsante]

Not quite, but close. Your MCAT and GPA are the most important factors in determining whether or not you get an interview. They are the easiest way to screen applicants because they are the only quantitative data. Your MCAT and GPA will not get you accepted, but they will get you an interview if they are good enough and you don't totally spaz on the rest of your primary and secondary app.

Keep in mind that the number of applicants to osteopathic schools has doubled in the past five years-- greatly surpassing the increase in available seats. So, the number of applicants with great GPAs and MCATs has also increased-- there are more people to choose from, so schools can be more selective. They can turn down applicants with 28 MCATs every day because there are Just so many more of them. They really CAN look at the other parts of your app more closely because the applicant pool is superior based on the quantitative data available.

For people who receive interviews, don't people with higher GPAs and MCATs have better chances of getting admitted?

 

[DrMidlife]

...this process is strenuous and grueling, and I do [not] want to go through it again...

Nobody wants to reapply. I totally understand how frustrated you are.

More than 60% of each year's applicants get rejected (MD and DO). There really are not very many sub-3.0 GPA, sub-24 MCAT "marginal candidates" in the rejection piles. Among interviewees, there really are not very many uninteresting, rude or creepy candidates. A huge number of acceptable candidates don't get in, as a rule. There are many, many factors involved in getting accepted.

I'm just saying, that if you're looking for the method in this madness, don't look too hard. It's a classic example of being in charge of the footwork with no control over the results.

Best of luck to you.

 

[scpod]

For people who receive interviews, don't people with higher GPAs and MCATs have better chances of getting admitted? For example, who would you pick?....

A lot of people try to look at it that way, by comparing two applicants, but it's important to remember that admissions committees don't work that way for the most part. Each applicant is really compared against the "whole". There is an acceptable "range" for each class.

Let's say the admissions committee meets twice a month and they have 50 new applicants to consider. They have a general idea of how many people will be accepted from that two-week period, because there are rolling admissions, and the top people from that period will get acceptances. The remaining people who are within the "range" of the class will get waitlisted and the others get a rejection. But, how you determine the "top" people is not just by numbers. They want to know if you fit into their idea of the class composition. They want to know how serious you are about their school. And, there isn't a firm number. At some meetings more people may be admitted than others. They know that really good applicants will typically be interviewing all the way until the end and most schools will be saving spots for them.

When either the interview season is over or if there haven't been a whole lot of superior applicants lately, they'll take a look at the waitlist. Remember, the waitlisted people are already known to be "acceptable" because they are within the "range"; they just want to pick from the "cream of the crop" first before they have to start narrowing down the finalists. Rarely will you have to sit down and compare just two individuals, so try not to think of it that way.

 

[SpecialmED]

If you do some searching you kinda find this graphs source, but at any extent most of it is over 5 years old and has a few updates with new schools...

 

[theorist]

Interesting discussion ...