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Is the allopathic May 15 date the same for osteo schools?
What happens on May 15th?
ATS
Is the allopathic May 15 date the same for osteo schools?
Match day!
And the answer is "yes" to that question, because D.O.s often do the same residencies as MDs so they must follow the same timeframes.
Wow, I never realized that before. So if someone prefers to match allopathic, but yet match in osteopathic, they are out of luck? They can't withdraw their osteopathic match and go for the allopathic? obviously I know nothing about matching.
Alexander here, Temple University pre-osteopathy student, 28 years old. I am passionate about Osteopathy.
I'm convinced and have been for some time now that OMM/NMM is my prime interest and motivation for embracing Osteopathy, however, with the rise of PsychoNeuroImmunology-[Endocrinology]
on the horizon...
I mean those who are interested in the two (if there are any reading this I'd love to hear from you) KNOW how exciting the possabilities are.
The sober study of chronic stress on the immune system isn't a new one, let's own that Psychiatry has contributed a bunch to the subject, but I think we're all hoping that preventative medicine and perhaps CAM therapies and just the general outlook on PSYCHO vs. SOMATIC conditions in the mainstream is evolving to a greater height.
I don't intend to ramble on, I just wanted to ask the following:
I'm considering (Midwestern) ChicagoCOM and PCOM, and any other COM school in keeping with an open mind. A dual degree program is difficult, but HOW difficult? Can admin's put it into a context for us pre-meds? Let's just take the MPH and DO dual track as our example.
Are there schools that allow students to participate in a dual track AND a undergraduate fellowship in OMM? Albiet the schooling would be 6 years instead of 4, I'd jump at the chance if I felt that the MPH degree would give me greater insight and would make me more productive to my peers and patients in the study of psychoneuroimmunology, any comments on this point?
To be clear, I mean psychoneuroimmunology as characterized by such discussions that take place on National Public Radio, if there's any fans out there. Of course there's no residency in PNI ... YET.. ... but I'm planning on OMM/NMM as my foundation residency program to explore PNI as a sub-specialty.
I've done a search for posts on the subject here on the forum and only found shamanism.. which is interesting but not necessarily my expressed interest.
Sincerely Interested,
Alexander
Dear ATS,
I will be starting in the fall at TOURO-NY (as the first class), and I have always been interested in neurosurgery/neurology.
I am going to school on a Health Professions Scholarship from the military and I know that their match is earlier and usually one has a better chance of getting their residency choice.
Since I want to go into neurosurgery, do you think that the neuroscience faculty would be able to guide me in the right direction of making me a stronger applicant to such a competitive program? I appreciate any and all advice.
I'm drawn to the D.O. programs by their somewhat stronger basic primary care emphasis and broader scope and focus compared to M.D. programs. However, in some ways D.O.s seem to be going only the extra inch. Both D.O. and M.D. programs seem to be light in emphasis on nutrition, exercise as theraphy and preventative healthcare, and other alternative theraphies. I'm aware of a few alternative programs, but graduates of those programs aren't genrally able to be licensed as physicians. In some ways where those programs are today reminds me of where your school was a few generations back.
Are there any D.O. schools that tend to be more heavily committed to the broader scope of health and healing?
Dear ATS,
I am interested in starting a SIGN (Student Interest Group in Neurology, a national medical school organization) at TOURO, shadowing a neurologist/neurosurgeon, and participating in research. Since the school is just opening, the research labs are not yet set up; is it difficult to get involved in research outside of the school (such as in a clinical setting) if I have previous research involving neuroscience?
Also, aside from great scores, what else do you recommend to make my application competitive for neurology/neurosurgery?
Also, do you recommend that D.O. students take both the USMLE and COMLEX exams?
Ok, thanks. I really had no idea how this all worked. I'm really not sure where I'll end up but i guess it's good to know the rules before you play the game. thanks for enlightening me.
Hi I'm highly interested in orthopaedic surgery. Everything I read about DO programs claims that they stress more A&P, however; I have not yet located a DO orthopaedic surgeon. Would going DO be a poor move to accomplish my goals?
Hi there! It's me again with two more questions.
1. Do you recommend applying early decision if you are pretty much average for the school? Would it put you at an extreme disadvantage when applying to other schools after Oct 1? Also can you apply early decision to one school each of allopathic and osteopathic, or only one altogether?
2. Is it required to have a pre-med committee letter when they don't even know you; or is it better to hve individual professors who know you really well to write separate letters? Can a professor send the letter to the committee to write a letter from multiple professors and then submit their own letter as well?
Thanks!
Let me first say thank you for all the time you spend helping us ignorant students.
My question is can you belong to too many groups. If i am not sure what I want to do should I join all the groups that interest me in my med school? Or is it like high school/college...the more extracurriculars the better?
In order to use USMLE scores for residency as a DO do you have to take both step 1 and 2 or simply step 1? I'm unfamiliar with how this works, but definitely want to keep my options open for both osteopathic and allopathic residencies.
Hello!
I am currently weighing my options with DO school and I had a few questions.
How do DO classes compare in difficulty to MD classes? How are they similar/dissimiar?
Do you think the lower avg admission gpa for DO school compared to MD is due to less competition? Is there less competition?
In residency are they looked upon as 'wannabees' by the other MDs in the same program?
YogiDO said:I'm currently accepted to a DO school, but I am questioning whether I will attend or not. I am very interested in the aspects of Osteopathy which are the core principles Still created the philosophy with. The body's innate ability to heal, structure/function, the primary importance of the musculoskeletal system, etc. Obviously, osteopathy has changed since Still was alive. In your opinion, would advise someone who wants to prescribe meds Minimally, and wants to pursue a holistic, mind-body, integrative practice, to attend medical school. Why not simply do Bodywork, nutritional consultation, psychotherapy, basically everything that I plan on doing with a DO degree, but simply doing it without the credentials behind my name. Obviously I wouldn't be a physician if I went that route. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
i have two questions..
1)can you explain the transition between osteopathic med-school and the first year of internship (do you choose where you can go)
2) do residents get paid
Thanks
BubbaGump187 said:Do you recommend doing research during medical school or is this uncommon and only done during residency?
Do you think osteopathic physicians in the same specialty get less patients than allopathic because of their name difference?
Is there a lot of discrimination against DO's in ACGME IM subspecialty fellowships?
I have a good question for you, I have recently been infromed by a current Osteopathic Medical student who has the offered SOMA medical insurance and she has discovered that SOMA's insurance doens't even cover OMM, HOW COULD THIS BE?
BubbaGump187 said:What is your experience in job/personal descrimination or mayber your coworkers? For large hospital institutions?
What are some factors that will make you a good candidate for Well recognized Allopathic residencies in Internal Medicine?
- USMLE, Grades, Letters, Research? which are important in your opinion for top tier residency programs in IM?
Have you ever had patients who did not recognize you or chose not to go to you after learning that you are a DO and not an MD?
FENDERGUITARMAN said:If I shadowed a pathologist who is a D.O. would a letter from him be less effective than a letter from a D.O. who is an anesthesiologist? I am concerned that the schools will wonder why I have shadowed a pathologist who doesn't see patients.
Hi! I am presently retaking organic chemistry which was previously worth 4 credits. My present course is more hours and therefore awarded 5 credits. Will this new grade still replace my previous grade?
Another unrelated question: once I am done with summer school I desperately need a paid job. I've done a decent amount of clinical volunteer work, volunteered as a research assistant with a DO and am working on an independent project, which i hope will stand out. Should I hold out for a medical/science type of job or is it ok to take any paid job I can get? What else can I do to enhance my application? I have about a 3.6+ gpa and a higher sciecne one. I have not taken the MCAT yet. What do i need on the MCAT to be considered competitive, especially at NYCOM? I'm a NY resident.
Dr. Josh said:Thanks, Charles Darnay for all your help. Unfortunately I don't have a pre-med advisor and really have no clue who to talk to. I actuallly graduated from school so don't really have advisors to go to either.
max831 said:I am curious to know if I will face difficulty getting into an allopathic 3 year EM residency in PA without completing an osteopathic rotating internship first. I have no desire to practice in any of the five states requiring the internship. Any information you can supply would be extremely helpful. Thank you.
Max831
HarveyCushing said:I will be beginning med-school at KCUMB this August.
HarveyCushing said:I have an interest in sports medicine and was wondering whether it would be to my advantage to consider doing an OMM fellowship during med-school if I decide that I really want to go into SM? Would I learn enough OMM during med-school and be proficient at it to use it later on in practice? Or would an extra year devoted to OMM be a better option eventhough I would loose a year? Due to location I would most likely enter a ACGME program, so I wouldn't get much OMM training during residency.
after i get into medical school, possibly a D.O. if i choose that route, i would rather work for a hospital than private practice. however, being a chicago native, i would like to work for a top notch hospital in maybe downtown like Childrens Memorial, Northwestern's hospital, luthern, etc. why is it that the whole complete doctor roster of almost all the hopsitals consists of only M.D.? i would assume that DO are able to apply and have a chance of employment but would i be to bold to say that DO are not able to work in highly recognized hospitals such as childrens memorial and such?
i would rather work for a hospital than private practice.
but would i be to bold to say that DO are not able to work in highly recognized hospitals such as childrens memorial and such?
ok mr taylor
i was confused as to how osteopathic med students apply to allopathic residencies. i understand that when your in med school, you take your liscensing exam and get matched to a residency, so for a osteopathic student he/she could get matched into a osteopathic residency, but how do they get into allopathic...do they need to take the USLME on top of the COMLEX? if you could help answer this question that would be great! thanks
Hi. I have a question. I have just applied to both osteopathic and allopathic medical programs. My only real issue with osteopathic medicine is that there are only a few states that have a fairly prominent osteopathic base, Michigan being one of them. States like North Carolina have a very small DO population. My fiance and I don't want to be limited to a certain state by my career....
What exactly does it mean when a state has a small DO population?
Is it more difficult to get a job in those states? Sorry it's so long
I am very interested in Peds CTS, but I am fairly positive there are no osteopathic Peds CTS fellowships, but there is an osteopathic adult CTS fellowship at Deborah in NJ (which I hear is great). My question is this: would it be possible to do an osteopathic general surgery residency followed by an osteopathic adult CTS fellowship and then do an allopathic Peds CTS fellowship? Or, would it be almost impossible to land a Peds CTS spot as an osteopathic candidate?