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Hey I am a long time member but decided to have a 2nd alias for tough questions like this. I am specifically asking this in the pharmacy forums, mostly because I would like real and mature feedback, which the pharmacy users are more capable of than the others!

I've been in a serious relationship with a girl, lets call her Jamie, for three years. We are both 20 years old and have been dating since our junior year of high school. Now, we attend same-state colleges and try to see each other often. Now, assuming that you believe me when I say she is perfect and have literally no reason to ever want to date anyone else, let me explain the situation.

Jamie told me a few days ago that she wants a break. Her decision came out of nowhere since I didn't feel any kind of negativity leading up to it. Her reasoning is that we have been dating since 16, and she came from a prior relationship starting at 15. So for the past 5 years, she has never been single, and now as a sophomore in college, she wants to be able to "enjoy her youth" before settling down and embracing the real world. I, of course, do not feel this way. But as much as I don't want to be on a break, I am willing to understand her point of view. She is more outgoing than me with living on campus, SGA, sorority, friends, etc. On the other hand, I live at home to save money, and don't have much time to socialize other than with Jamie due to a full time job and focusing on grades for applying to pharmacy schools. So naturally I should be understanding that she has more opportunities to explore herself and other people, whereas I don't really care about meeting new girls since it's not a priority.

Jamie says she is not actively looking for guys, but if an opportunity arises, then she does not want to be tied down. (She is not a huge partier or drinker...she is not "that girl"...but she is just genuinely eager to meet and socialize). I think she is looking for flings instead of another boyfriend to replace me. She says she loves me as much as I love her, and the best case scenario is us coming back together and getting married. But she wants to know that our love is the true thing, instead of a product of a high school crush. She wants to have new experiences, and even compare them to see how great of a couple we are, which we have always been a solid couple...(again, we have great communication, sharing feelings, never tempted to cheat, etc etc etc. so had no idea this was coming to me!)

I am starting pharmacy school this autumn, and I would love to have Jamie back. I truly think she is perfect for me, but I know I should be open to the fact that there are other fish in the sea. I am hoping the break won't last long and she will come back to me satisfied with her choice, but I should also be prepared for the worse. What should I do? Look for other girls? Wait for her until it's officially over, if it comes to that? Do I want to know if Jamie starts seeing another guy? Or will that create hard feelings if we do come back together?

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for listening. Any constructive feedback appreciated.
 
This is what they say: "If you love somebody, let them go. If they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were."

This is what has always happened to me: I will always love my past loves for reasons that will never change, but I can not continue to love them directly due to aspects that will not change and subsequently I can not love. I think about my past loves, but I can not speak to them or talk to them without destroying what I will always love, because something now exists within them that I can not love. In terms of the quote, I will let them go or they will let me go, but I will not return even though I still love them.

This is what may happen to you: Anything under the sun. (Just be ready for anything and good luck! :xf:)
 
Honestly, I'd just give up and move on. I got attached to a girl like that once at around the same age...it was idiotic in retrospect. I had girls chasing me like crazy (i.e. giving ME their numbers), but I had this stupid long distance-ish relationship thing going on that I didn't want to end.

Personally...I'd wager that all of this crap she's feeding you is just that...crap. She probably doesn't really want to be with you anymore, but is kinda "holding" you in place in case she really doesn't find anyone else. And all of this is bringing back painful memories because I've been played like that before. Plus, if you actually go out and get another girl, you'll DEFINITELY see where she stands. And I mean go get another girl before she gets another guy.

And as a disclaimer: I'm probably crazy...
 
Honestly, I'd just give up and move on. I got attached to a girl like that once at around the same age...it was idiotic in retrospect. I had girls chasing me like crazy (i.e. giving ME their numbers), but I had this stupid long distance-ish relationship thing going on that I didn't want to end.

Personally...I'd wager that all of this crap she's feeding you is just that...crap. She probably doesn't really want to be with you anymore, but is kinda "holding" you in place in case she really doesn't find anyone else. And all of this is bringing back painful memories because I've been played like that before. Plus, if you actually go out and get another girl, you'll DEFINITELY see where she stands. And I mean go get another girl before she gets another guy.

And as a disclaimer: I'm probably crazy...
I have to agree, she's putting you on the back-burner while shes out potentially looking for someone else. That's a tough situation since you guys have been dating for so long, but I would try your best to move on if possible. Your current busyness doesn't really allow to search for a new girlfriend but in the midst of work and school you don't really need one to be honest. But good luck in however things play out.
 
College does some funny things to relationships. I think the people here are right (even WVUPharm, as crazy as he is) in saying you should just move on. Though she says she's not "actively looking" the notion of wanting to be single "just in case" is not exactly a great scenario to be in. It's easier said than done but it's best to just let her go, and focus on your life; if she comes back, you can address it then. In the meantime, focus on your future and look forward to moving forward in your life. It'll end up being pretty hard at times and you may randomly feel pissed off about the whole situation but moving on is much better than lingering.

Disclaimer: I'm not crazy but I'm not a doctor of love or anything, and can only base my opinions on my own experiences.
 
It sounds like she wants out for good and is doing it an incredibly immature way.
 
Your story is very similar to my situation. After having fun at the beach with my ex-gf, the next morning she said she wanted to be friend. She said she loved me so much, but she wanted some spaces so she could do things in her life. She wanted to go out to the world and discovered who she is. Another way to say, young girls do not want to be tied down to 1 person. They seem to always look for who they are before they think about marry. I guess that how girl is. What you can do is go to pharmacy school, and be great. Trust me, after a while, she will realize that she was dump to break up with you. And it will be up to you to have her back. Sometimes, relationship does not work out at the moment, but give it time. Love requires time and patience. I am still loving the girl, but I really find interesting in my career, and things that I will do in the future. Of course the girl is still in my heart. True love does not force others to do things that we want. Just let her go, and stop talking to her. Let her alone, and who knows the next moment, she will come back and say sorry to you, and want to be with you.
 
She just dumped your ass. If she was into you, she wouldn't have dumped your ass.

The best thing for you to have done is to say...

"Gosh I love you (with excitement) and all....but I really was thinking the same thing and I could use a break!!" "Give me a call if you need a booty call once in a while!!" "See ya."


Instead..you probably gave her the sad face...cried a little... moped around a bit and told all your friends about how much you love her. Like that's really going to help your cause and Jaime will come back to you? Hell no.. no one likes a loser nor want to be around one.

Dude.. snap out of it. Move on.
 
Thanks to all for the advice. I'm still trying to figure out the whole thing but I'll take it day by day.

ItsOverZyvox, lol that was kind of harsh. I am not the type to mope, and really the post I made was more for advice. Just give me some time dude!
 
Best of Craiglist, emphasis mine.

I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out.

What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were ****ing treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an ******* than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.
2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.
3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.


So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've ****ed yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bull**** and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't ****ing want you, now.

Sincerely,

A Recovering Nice Guy
 
Thanks to all for the advice. I'm still trying to figure out the whole thing but I'll take it day by day.

ItsOverZyvox, lol that was kind of harsh. I am not the type to mope, and really the post I made was more for advice. Just give me some time dude!

I think my advice was pretty loud and clear.
 
Jamie says she is not actively looking for guys, but if an opportunity arises, then she does not want to be tied down.

Dude, there is definetly another guy in mind. She's just trying to let you down easy. Not to pour salt in the wound, but I bet she'll be "seeing" another guy within a month or so. I feel for you though, that's a tough situation man. I would move on. Don't waste time like I did in that situation.
 
Yep, good advice above. It's over. Don't sit at home at night trying to analyze the situation. That stuff is definitely indicative of another guy who has caught her attention. Unfortunately you're the old news.
 
@gtpederson: lol that won't help some of the people in the world. I'm convinced there are some girls out there who only talk about wanting nice guys yet don't really mean it.
 
Best of Craiglist, emphasis mine.

I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out.

What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were ****ing treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an ******* than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.
2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.
3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.


So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've ****ed yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bull**** and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't ****ing want you, now.

Sincerely,

A Recovering Nice Guy
What a worthless stereotype of the so-called "nice guy"! I've only met one guy who was even close to this, and he was so insecure with himself that he went straight back to his witch of an ex-girlfriend, because he couldn't be alone.


I don't think this "nice guy" exists as men seem to think. A nice guy will let their sig. other live how she wants to live and in turn, he will be able to do the same with his life.
As soon as someone starts calling the shots for someone else, whether it's intentional or not, the balance offsets itself.
Following a woman around and being her 'shoulder to cry on' in hopes of having her for his own in the future is just as manipulative as keeping a guy around so that a woman can feel better after her current guy treats her like crap.

ETA: Just in case you were wondering, I don't like jerks, ***holes, show-offs, or know-it-alls. They can step aside, because I don't have time or the desire to deal with their bull****. Let someone else be miserable... I'm trying to enjoy life as best as I can, even though it's difficult as a student.
 
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What a worthless stereotype of the so-called "nice guy"! I've only met one guy who was even close to this, and he was so insecure with himself that he went straight back to his witch of an ex-girlfriend, because he couldn't be alone.


I don't think this "nice guy" exists as men seem to think. A nice guy will let their sig. other live how she wants to live and in turn, he will be able to do the same with his life.
As soon as someone starts calling the shots for someone else, whether it's intentional or not, the balance offsets itself.
Following a woman around and being her 'shoulder to cry on' in hopes of having her for his own in the future is just as manipulative as keeping a guy around so that a woman can feel better after her current guy treats her like crap.

ETA: Just in case you were wondering, I don't like jerks, ***holes, show-offs, or know-it-alls. They can step aside, because I don't have time or the desire to deal with their bull****. Let someone else be miserable... I'm trying to enjoy life as best as I can, even though it's difficult as a student.
Wouldn't it be great if all the jerks, ***holes, show-offs, or know-it-alls of both gender just got together and left the rest of us the hell alone? Heh. 🙂
 
Interesting - this almost describes me. I dated a guy in hs for about a year, and then we were apart for awhile, then started dating again about age 19, and were married at 23. So, we did both have a bit of time to look at some other people out there (we were also not at the same colleges). I guess based on my own personal experience - yeah, if it's meant to be with you and Jaime - you'll get back together and it will eventually happen. However, I will also say that, in retrospect, I wish that I had done just a bit more dating before I actually settled down with him. It's a good marriage, and I don't regret it, but every once in a great while I wonder what it would have been like if I had had a few more years of just dating a lot of different guys.

So, my other piece of advice to you is - don't mope around over her and sqander this opportunity to have some different experiences with other girls.
 
Let it go and move on! You still have four more years of Pharm school. It's a long time, and many things can change.
Maybe you need a break, too. Both of you can think about this relationship and see if it's worth your time. 🙂
 
TO OP: chances are, she already has another guy, and is just dumping you with the "it's not you, it's me" talk that's so cliche.

Speaking from experience, when girls do that it's time to move on and not look back. If you try to win her back, you just look more pathetic in her eyes and reinforce her decision to dump you. The funny thing is, when you actually move on with another girl, she might doubt herself and want you back.

My friend, life is full of victories and set backs. Especially in relationships, slaving for the other person doesn't translate into results because people are the biggest and most random variable in life. Focus on making yourself a more successful man in areas such as career and wealth, which grants you more power and confidence. Turns the table on the opposite sex and chuckle when they are doing the chasing for a change. 😀

In your life time, a ton of people will come and go, only yourself is the sole 100% dependable and integral variable, so focus more on cultivate yourself and less on others.
 
She just dumped your ass. If she was into you, she wouldn't have dumped your ass.

Dude.. snap out of it. Move on.

Best advice you could have gotten. Everything else is pretty much receipe for a pitty party.

Healthy relationship = You don't want me? ..fine I don't want you either..bye
( honestly why would you want someone dat don't want you)
 
Well I am a girl who has said the exact same line as the poster's gf to a guy, and I didn't have any other guy in mind nor did i want him as a backup. The thing was that he was very shy and very routine and while i did enjoy hanging out with him, i had a deep sense that i was missing out on the college experience. even inviting him along to functions was a double edged sword. if i didn't invite him, i felt mean and if i did, he would not initiate contact with anyone. and knowing that the next step would be marriage put me in a sort of panic....i couldn't imagine the rest of my life just trying to make him feel better and comfortable all the time...i just wanted some breathing room.

ag20, i think you need to find hobbies outside of yourself and pharmacy school. maybe you are becoming a dull, depressing guy....and your gf is afraid of becoming that person too.


p.s. im just projecting, i might be totally wrong.
 
^ I think that hits close to home. She is a lot more outgoing than me and I feel that she just wants time to do her own thing.

I'm heading into this break with an optimistic and clear head. Maybe I'll "find myself" in pharmacy school too.
 
Buddy, unfortunately it's time to let this one go. If there's one thing I learned about love, it's that life's too short to waste on people who don't genuinely care about you. Having been through a rough breakup from a relationship of almost 5 years, my advice is to look forward. There WILL be someone who loves you the way you deserve to be loved. 😍
 
Well here's my thoughts... I have been dating my boyfriend for 5 years now, we are now 22. He is more the outgoing social one for sure, I am more in your shoes, school oriented and whatnot ( was in a sorority, so have a good idea of the girl). In my opinion she isn't satisfied. My bf goes out has good times with his friends and my friends, we have the same group of friends basically, and has the whole college experience going on, but he's happy with me and knows what he wants. He's committed to us as am I and doesn't need to be with anyone else to ensure/dismiss his love that's about it. She can still experience the college life and be happy with you if she wanted. I personally see this as her feeling the need to see if you are the best guy out there for her. As other's have said it's kind of the back burner, but I read other ones that said they had the same thing and they are now married. It is hard to give advice because every situation is different, you just never know. I would be careful with the "break" though, it holds a lot of unsure boundaries and I have seen it go very wrong. Ultimately I would say don't totally wait around for her, there are other girls that you may surprisingly find yourself happy with, but if it's something you want don't give up. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy and that goes with letting her go for your own good (and hers for that matter) and waiting for her to sew her oats until she is ready to settle down. Best of luck!
 
what I think most of you are not getting is the fact the original poster of this thread is not really good with women. There are millions of women everywhere around us, the only problem is that he cannot attract any decent ones. If he could, this thread would not exist to begin with. I totally understand his desperation. If your only girlfriend leaves you, it's going to be hell finding another one with your skill set. He has what we call one-itis in the seduction community. The cure for that is obviously lots of women. It's much easier to find another woman than repair a damaged relationship with your gf. Be the adult here and move on. its easier to find a new gf than changing her mind about you.
 
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No matter what happens between you & Jamie, don't sit around and wait for her. It's tough getting out of a long term relationship, especially for the person who's getting dumped - let's not dance around it, that's what happening. Her reasoning is valid and she's likely trying to be gentle with you. The good news is life goes on, you're gonna meet new people in pharmacy school, where you'll be able to get out and "socialize" with people and maybe find someone who's even more interesting than Jamie. Time will help, as will getting out and enjoying life while you still can. Hang out with your guy friends who know how to cure a broken heart. Maybe things will end up better for you in the long run (think Adam Sandler in Big Daddy at the end where he sees his ex working at Hooters). And maybe she'll realize just how fantastic things were between the two of you and come back to her senses. Just don't count on it.
 
You probably could use some space, to. You change a lot from junior year of high school to sophomore year of college. The girl I dated in my senior year (of HS) was an exchange student from Australia and moved back. We didn't break up right away, but the distance eventually just didn't work. I used to really regret this, but looking at what has happened to us in the meantime, I know now she wasn't for me.

I'm not suggesting this is the case with you, necessarily. But a break could be good for both of you. You might realize that, in fact, you're supposed to be with her, but you might just realize that you never were. Also, if she wants a break and you try to get in the way of that, the relationship *will* be over. So your options are pretty limited here. I would go ahead and "see other people" for a while and see what happens.

But I do think the most likely thing is that you'll see other people forever.
 
This is a first lesson for you life. Love is not always the way to happiness. Forgive, forget, and move on. I am 100% sure that you will find another girl that you like in the future.
 
I think a lot people see breaking up as the end of something for good. Break ups can be a healthy process to go thru for a futur solid relationship. I met the "one" I was 20.

I broke up, only God knows how many times, but we always ended up back to square one, together. 11 years later, he likes to claims to he always knew I was the one. Well, I didn't. I know it sound "unromantic", but love is just a concept. It's the everyday life, moments, things, little or big that make a long lasting relationship.

I am sure that many of us have had this girlfriend or boyfriend singing how much they love you from the moment you open your eyes in the morning. But does he/she live up to your expectations in other area of your life?

Just let her go...if it's meant to be, you guys will find your way back to each other; if not be thankful. Think about the years you will no be wasting being with the wrong person. No woman wants a cry baby. Just like 5 min said it "Forgive, forget, and move on"
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