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Hey guys! I'm curious on what medical students, or even practicing physicians think of other health professions calling themselves doctors in a clinical setting. I'm mainly referring to people in pharmacy, chiropractic, physical therapy, audiology etc. Thanks!

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I think it's inappropriate if they are attempting to misrepresent themselves as a physician. Calling yourself a chiropractic physician or naturopathic physician is insulting to actual physicians. Otherwise, it's silly and I think less of that person especially if they try to get in some sort of inferiority complex pissing match but it doesn't really matter.
 
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I'm still pretty early along in my residency but so far: I truly don't care. Don't care what anyone else calls them self in the hospital, don't care what kind of coat they wear - I really don't. I don't think patients get confused by it; I think they don't care either so long as it's someone who treats them like a human being and doesn't act like an a--hole. I don't even care if people call me Doctor. Didn't get into this line of work for the title or the wardrobe. Hell, a not insignificant part of me absolutely adores the British tradition of surgeons going by "mister" instead of "doctor," an homage to their tonsillary roots.

I just care about taking care of suffering people. I'm on call today and just today I've gotten to relieve suffering countless times. I've helped someone speak again. I helped a baby breathe. I helped calm the nerves of an older man who just wants to get home after so long in the hospital. I helped another man ensure that the imminent end of his life would be lived according to his wishes. And honestly it's been a pretty slow day so far. That's the kind of stuff I care about. I don't give a damn what people call themselves.
 
I worked six years on my PhD...I earned that title of "Doctor"!

It comes in very handy in dealing with hotel staff.

Front Desk: Front Desk, Jane speaking.
Me: This is Dr Goro in Room 16. The A/C isn't working properly. Can you get someone to fix it?
Front Desk: I'm very sorry to hear that. I'll have someone up right away!

And sure enough, they do!

Agree 100% here.
I think it's inappropriate if they are attempting to misrepresent themselves as a physician. Calling yourself a chiropractic physician or naturopathic physician is insulting to actual physicians. Otherwise, it's silly and I think less of that person especially if they try to get in some sort of inferiority complex pissing match but it doesn't really matter.
 
Ive seen people add md to their legal name, like on their drivers license. Isn't that old school tho?
 
I worked 4 years to get into med school...I earned that title of "Student Doctor"!

It comes in handy at Chipotle.

Front Desk: Welcome to Chipotle, My name is Jane. How may I help you?
Me: I am Student Doctor OnePunchBiopsy. I would love to get free guac with my burrito bowl.
Front Desk: I'm very sorry to hear that. Guac costs extra. That'll be $1.80
Me: .....okay
 
I was at work today and our wifi went down so credit cards couldn't be swiped. Before I realized what the issue was I was trying to swipe a card with no success. I could hear the customer behind me "there is a ton of money on there, it should work. "

I soon realized what the issue was and had the customer copy down his name and card info. He wrote his name as Dr. First name last name. After he left I looked him up expecting to find his successful plastics clinic based on his comments and attitude but found out he was a chiropractor. Nothing against chiropractors but his attitude/demeanor just reeked of an inferiority complex.
 
I was at work today and our wifi went down so credit cards couldn't be swiped. Before I realized what the issue was I was trying to swipe a card with no success. I could hear the customer behind me "there is a ton of money on there, it should work. "

I soon realized what the issue was and had the customer copy down his name and card info. He wrote his name as Dr. First name last name. After he left I looked him up expecting to find his successful plastics clinic based on his comments and attitude but found out he was a chiropractor. Nothing against chiropractors but his attitude/demeanor just reeked of an inferiority complex.

Oh god lol...
 
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Doctor was an academic title long before it was a medical title.

I completely agree, but the main concern in a healthcare setting is keeping the patient properly informed. Yes there are many different kinds of doctors, but it would be confusing and even frustrating not knowing who is taking care of you/your mom, dad, grandparent and what their educational background is when they are all being called "doctor" for the sake of hubris or being PC.

For example, in public it is very polite to call men "Sir," but if I found myself at a royal event in England I would be hesitant to call every man a "Sir" because a majority would have not been knighted to earn the title of Sir. Not that physicians are knights, but you could imagine how frustrating it would be if you had been knighted and everyone was walking around a royal event being called Sir.
 
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Doctor was an academic title long before it was a medical title.
This is true, but language evolves, and intent matters. When a non-physician in healthcare calls himself or demands to be referred to as "Dr. X," they are fully aware of the connotation that title carries. There are nurses who hold doctorates, but we're not going to start calling them Doctor are we? This isn't about the ego of or esteem for physicians, it's about keeping things transparent for patients. Maybe it's time to start pushing for a title to differentiate physicians from those holding doctorate degrees? Maybe it would be better to start going by "Physician" rather than "Doctor."
 
This is true, but language evolves, and intent matters. When a non-physician in healthcare calls himself or demands to be referred to as "Dr. X," they are fully aware of the connotation that title carries. There are nurses who hold doctorates, but we're not going to start calling them Doctor are we? This isn't about the ego of or esteem for physicians, it's about keeping things transparent for patients. Maybe it's time to start pushing for a title to differentiate physicians from those holding doctorate degrees? Maybe it would be better to start going by "Physician" rather than "Doctor."

Agreed.
 
This is true, but language evolves, and intent matters. When a non-physician in healthcare calls himself or demands to be referred to as "Dr. X," they are fully aware of the connotation that title carries. There are nurses who hold doctorates, but we're not going to start calling them Doctor are we? This isn't about the ego of or esteem for physicians, it's about keeping things transparent for patients. Maybe it's time to start pushing for a title to differentiate physicians from those holding doctorate degrees? Maybe it would be better to start going by "Physician" rather than "Doctor."
This is what my SO has been encouraged to do by the professors in her DPT program. They're to say, for instance, "Dr. X is a physician " or "Dr. Y is a physical therapist" etc.
 
This is what my SO has been encouraged to do by the professors in her DPT program. They're to say, for instance, "Dr. X is a physician " or "Dr. Y is a physical therapist" etc.
"Dr. Z is your nurse." See how stupid that's going to sound to a patient? The title "doctor" in the healthcare setting has a very specific connotation. Mid-level providers' insistence upon using that title in a healthcare setting is deliberately misleading and is being purposefully pushed by, e.g., the PT community as part of their overall desire for greater autonomy. This is not my own theory; this is what I gathered from PTs themselves while I was researching going into that field before deciding on medicine.
 
I worked six years on my PhD...I earned that title of "Doctor"!

It comes in very handy in dealing with hotel staff.

Front Desk: Front Desk, Jane speaking.
Me: This is Dr Goro in Room 16. The A/C isn't working properly. Can you get someone to fix it?
Front Desk: I'm very sorry to hear that. I'll have someone up right away!

And sure enough, they do!

Agree 100% here.
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the PT community as part of their overall desire for greater autonomy. This is not my own theory; this is what I gathered from PTs themselves while I was researching going into that field before deciding on medicine.
Can't comment on whether it will make things more or less complicated for the patient, just relaying what I've heard.

I definitely think the APTA is working toward greater autonomy for physical therapists but I do know from seeing their professionalism materials ( that student PT's are provided ) that they go to some lengths to differentiate themselves from physicians and make certain that they don't represent themselves as such.
 
Doctor was an academic title long before it was a medical title.

Yeah because when people go around with white coats, calling themselves doctors that's clearly them trying to signal to people their academic rank.

If you want to play pretend, that's fine but let's not act like you're not trying to look like a medical doctor to get that sweet respect without the hard work and education that it entails.
 
"Can someone who earned a doctorate degree in Field X be referred to as 'doctor'"

I have seen this question all over the internet and on forums. People have all kinds of ideas about this; some of them are spot-on, some are arrogant and ill-informed. The answer to this question isn't that complicated.

If you've earned a doctorate degree, whether that is a MD/DO, PhD (in any field), CScD, EdD, DPT, DC, JD, DDS, AuD, DD, PharmD, PsyD, SLPD, OTD, DNP, ClinSciD, etc., you have earned the right to be referred to as 'Dr. Bennifer Honeypants' (or whatever your name is); if you finished a doctoral degree from a regionally accredited university (this is for the U.S.; not sure how accreditation at universities works in other countries) , you can legitimately and honestly carry the title 'Dr.'

The problem is not with the title 'Dr'...the problem is with people using it inappropriately and/or to mislead. It is unethical for a DPT or AuD(or any non-MD/DO doctor) to enter a patient's hospital room and pretend to be a physician. This works the other way, however; it just as unethical for a MD/DO to enter a physical rehabilitation clinic and let patients believe they are a DPT, or for an MD/DO to enter the physics department at a university and pretend to be a professor of physics.

If an employee at a hospital, with an earned doctorate that is related to the field in which they are working at that hospital, enters a patient's room it is ethical to clarify what field at that hospital they work in (which serves to let the patient know their area of expertise). For instance, the speech-language pathologist with a clinical doctoral degree (SLPD or CScD) at a hospital should introduce themselves to the patient like so: "Hello, I'm Dr. Bennifer Honeypants. I'm your speech-language pathologist today." The DPT with a clinical doctoral degree at a hospital should introduce themselves to the patient like so: "Hello, I'm Dr. Bennifer Honeypants. I'm your physical therapist today." If there is any indication that the patient thinks you are a medical doctor (either through asking you outright or through asking questions that are outside you area of expertise), it is that person's duty to tell the patient, "That's a good question. However, I am not a medical doctor. That would be a great question to ask her/him when you see her/him."). This action absolutely applies to MDs/DOs as well; when seeing a patient at a hospital, the MD/DO should introduce themselves to the patient like so: "Hello, I'm Dr. Bennifer Honeypants. I am your physician today," or "Hello, I'm Dr. Bennifer Honeypants. I am your oncologist." Likewise, if a MD/DO is giving a lecture in a biology department to a class full of PhD candidates, they should tell the room, "Hello. I'm Dr. Honeypants. I am a medical doctor." If you have earned a legitimate doctorate degree from a legitimate university and are on an airplane and someone starts having seizures, and the person next to them shouts out, "Is anyone here a doctor?", you are acting beyond unethically if you rush over and say "I'm a doctor!" when your doctorate degree is a PharmD, SLPD, DPT, etc. and not an MD/DO.

See how easy that is? It seems that most of the arguments about who can and cannot call themselves Doctor on forums and editorials online and elsewhere are nothing more than d*ck measuring contests. If you earned a doctorate from a legitimate university, you have earned the right to be referred to as 'Doctor', but it is YOUR ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY to not misrepresent yourself to others by clarifying exactly what type of doctor you are.
 
Recent interaction with someone at my PCP office:

-Nurse: oh you're in medical school? Me too!

Me: Oh that's awesome! Where?

-Actually it's an online based Medical School called Kaplan

😕 Oh what kind of degree are you going for?

- (indignant) Doctor of medicine, what else?!

😵
 
Recent interaction with someone at my PCP office:

-Nurse: oh you're in medical school? Me too!

Me: Oh that's awesome! Where?

-Actually it's an online based Medical School called Kaplan

😕 Oh what kind of degree are you going for?

- (indignant) Doctor of medicine, what else?!

😵
Must've been a tough decision for them to turn down offers from ITT Tech, Keiser, and University of Phoenix. But, Kaplan is a solid choice I suppose.
 
Every hospital employee should be given the title of Doctor in order to create a discrimination-free work environment
or let's be fair, every person working at the hospital should just mind their own business, carry a job, and not hold complexes. That would be such a turn off if someone was referring me as the Dr. and I was just a volunteer lol.
 
Recent interaction with someone at my PCP office:

-Nurse: oh you're in medical school? Me too!

Me: Oh that's awesome! Where?

-Actually it's an online based Medical School called Kaplan

😕 Oh what kind of degree are you going for?

- (indignant) Doctor of medicine, what else?!

😵

A respiratory therapist at my job told me it was insulting to say that I'm going to medical school since I'm actually going to a DO school and she's going to "real medical school." She was enrolled in pre-reqs for PA school. She hadn't even started yet but tells everyone she's in medical school...


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For instance, the speech-language pathologist with a clinical doctoral degree (SLPD or CScD) at a hospital should introduce themselves to the patient like so: "Hello, I'm Dr. Bennifer Honeypants. I'm your speech-language pathologist today." The DPT with a clinical doctoral degree at a hospital should introduce themselves to the patient like so: "Hello, I'm Dr. Bennifer Honeypants. I'm your physical therapist today."
But the point is that certain fields should not have doctorate degrees. Speech therapists/audiologists and occupational therapists and nurse practitioners having doctorates is not only new but fairly ridiculous. Very few physical therapists should have doctorates. Pharmacists have not traditionally used the Dr. title and many still do not.
 
PhDs are a mixed bag. Of course someone with a PhD in a hard science should be called doctor. But what about someone with a PhD in gender studies or communications? Or more in the middle, how about a PhD in literature or psychology?
My point is that everyone wants to be "doctor" because traditionally it has been a title worthy of great respect, but as more and more doctorates are created, the title carries less prestige or respect.
 
Yeah because when people go around with white coats, calling themselves doctors that's clearly them trying to signal to people their academic rank.

If you want to play pretend, that's fine but let's not act like you're not trying to look like a medical doctor to get that sweet respect without the hard work and education that it entails.

everybody wants to be a doctor, nobody wants to go to doctor school
 
Ironically the patients feel betrayed by the person if they introduce themselves as a doctor and the patient mistakens them for a physician and finds out they aren't. They then proceed to b**** about how they lied about being a doctor and I have to say "I'm sorry that happened to you". Personally I don't care, but the patients that felt misinformed that the PT in a white coat judge the PT. not me. N=2.
 
Recent interaction with someone at my PCP office:

-Nurse: oh you're in medical school? Me too!

Me: Oh that's awesome! Where?

-Actually it's an online based Medical School called Kaplan

😕 Oh what kind of degree are you going for?

- (indignant) Doctor of medicine, what else?!

😵

Kaplan has a university? I know I can Bing (not Google) this and find out for myself. But seriously, how could anyone think that Kaplan is an online medical school?


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Hey guys! I'm curious on what medical students, or even practicing physicians think of other health professions calling themselves doctors in a clinical setting. I'm mainly referring to people in pharmacy, chiropractic, physical therapy, audiology etc. Thanks!


Doctors don't have the same prestige they had 20 years ago.
 
'Doctor' used to be a title reserved for academics. It's from a Latin word that means 'teacher'. Physicians took it on to make themselves seem more 'academic' the same way they took the white coat from scientists to make the field seem more 'scientific' in the early 1900s. Pre-20th century, medicine was hardly academic or scientific. Now we are complaining about others doing the same thing we did? I mean, you can see from my post history that I hate it, but we are being a bit hypocritical from the historical perspective.

Maybe it's time to ditch all of this and just do our jobs. You don't see engineers having fancy titles or coats. Everyone from the guy who took a 6 week "bootcamp" coding course to the guy who spent 6 years getting a PhD is a "software engineer". But they still get their jobs done.
 
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Must've been a tough decision for them to turn down offers from ITT Tech, Keiser, and University of Phoenix. But, Kaplan is a solid choice I suppose.

I'd stay away from Kaplan too. At least Keiser is regionally accredited college so you can transfer your credits to another University. Plus, it has several campuses all over Florida. It also has accredited PA program at its Ft. Lauderdale campus. One of the better for profit schools, but they still shamelessly advertise on daytime TV in Florida. That's enough for me to be wary of the school plus I've heard some other damning things too.


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'Doctor' used to be a title reserved for academics. It's from a Latin word that means 'teacher'. Physicians took it on to make themselves seem more 'academic' the same way they took the white coat from scientists to make the field seem more 'scientific' in the early 1900s. Pre-20th century, medicine was hardly academic or scientific. Now we are complaining about others doing the same thing we did? I mean, you can see from my post history that I hate it, but we are being a bit hypocritical from the historical perspective.

Maybe it's time to ditch all of this and just do our jobs. You don't see engineers having fancy titles or coats. Everyone from the guy who took a 6 week "bootcamp" coding course to the guy who spent 6 years getting a PhD is a "software engineer". But they still get their jobs done.

Sorry but I live in the present where white coats still mean doctor and patients still want real doctors taking care of them

When you're sitting in a hospital room and you see 100 different people come in and out, you want to know who the doctors are and especially who the main doctor is. When everyone wears a white coat and wants to call themselves doctor, that just confuses the patient.
 
Sorry but I live in the present where white coats still mean doctor and patients still want real doctors taking care of them

When you're sitting in a hospital room and you see 100 different people come in and out, you want to know who the doctors are and especially who the main doctor is. When everyone wears a white coat and wants to call themselves doctor, that just confuses the patient.
Which is why I suggested that everyone stop wearing the white coat and calling themselves doctor. Instead you could just tell people what your actual role is. If we just had doctors and nurses, as we did for a long time, then we could keep going the way we're going. But we've irreversibly changed that situation now, and we have a slew of people who are "sort of doctors" with doctorate degrees. The only way to sort out the confusion at this point is for no one to be a "doctor" anymore, and just be what they actually are - surgeon, cardiologist, nurse, physical therapist, etc.
 
PhDs are a mixed bag. Of course someone with a PhD in a hard science should be called doctor. But what about someone with a PhD in gender studies or communications? Or more in the middle, how about a PhD in literature or psychology?
My point is that everyone wants to be "doctor" because traditionally it has been a title worthy of great respect, but as more and more doctorates are created, the title carries less prestige or respect.

Wat.

They both have doctorates and are therefore both doctors. You don't just twiddle your thumbs and end up with a PhD in humanities or psych, there's a crazy amount of work that goes into it. Why would one be considered a doctor and not the other?

There are many different kinds of doctorates for people at the top of their academic fields, but there are only two kinds of physicians. That's the prestigious term. Where you run into problems is when people refer to themselves as "doctor" and patients infer from this that they are physicians.
 
Wat.

They both have doctorates and are therefore both doctors. You don't just twiddle your thumbs and end up with a PhD in humanities or psych, there's a crazy amount of work that goes into it. Why would one be considered a doctor and not the other?

There are many different kinds of doctorates for people at the top of their academic fields, but there are only two kinds of physicians. That's the prestigious term. Where you run into problems is when people refer to themselves as "doctor" and patients infer from this that they are physicians.
Yeah, that's the main issue here. People automatically associate "doctor" with a physician. And other professions are using the title 'doctor' precisely to take advantage of this. If the public associated 'doctor' with an english professor, I don't think that many people would be dying to call themselves 'doctor'.
 
But the point is that certain fields should not have doctorate degrees. Speech therapists/audiologists and occupational therapists and nurse practitioners having doctorates is not only new but fairly ridiculous. Very few physical therapists should have doctorates. Pharmacists have not traditionally used the Dr. title and many still do not.

Certain legitimate academic fields should allow for or provide doctoral level training because you think it's ridiculous?!? The above quote contains possibly some of the most naive and baffling statements I've seen on these boards. Speech-language pathology, audiology, occupational therapy, and during are all VERY complex academic fields...a bachelor's degree, or even a Master's degree to a large extent, is enough to barely scratch the surface of each of those fields.
 
Yeah, that's the main issue here. People automatically associate "doctor" with a physician. And other professions are using the title 'doctor' precisely to take advantage of this. If the public associated 'doctor' with an english professor, I don't think that many people would be dying to call themselves 'doctor'.

"Other professions are using the title 'doctor' precisely to take advantage of this."
Wow. That's quite the assertion, particularly given the fact that the use of the title 'doctor' for non-medical academic fields significantly pre-dates the use of the term for medical doctors. The term 'doctor' is merely a title that indicates a significant amount of expertise in the field that a person presents as part of their introduction (e.g. "I'm Dr. X. I'm your audiologist today" or "I'm Dr. Dre. I'm the physical therapist working with you today" or "I'm Dr. Dawkins. I'll be teaching your biology class for the semester." Using the term 'doctor' in each of those scenarios, assuming that they did indeed earn a doctorate degree in that field, indicates significant expertise in that particular field, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to exhibit/share that fact with others, when it is relevant to the work you are doing/providing).

Undoubtedly, there are some people who do use the term 'doctor' to mislead others, but that's not a function of the right to use that title if you've earned a doctorate degree in any legitimate academic field...that is a function of the fact that there are some dishonest as* hats in the world, but they are the exception rather than the rule. No, most people do not use the term 'doctor' to make others think they are medical doctors; they use the term 'doctor' because they have earned a doctorate degree and thus have the right to call themselves 'doctor,' and also want to convey to others that they have doctoral-level expertise in their field...there is no shame at all in either of those reasons.
 
Am I allowed to call myself doctor during my third and fourth year because I have a PhD? Took me a few years and it's in a "health related field". Perhaps "Doctor Student Doctor" would be appropriate.....

(Rhetorical question)

I have to agree with @chipwhitley though....I am assuming, based on my own personal and professional experiences, that most people associate the title "doctor" with being a physician. When I attend conferences or give presentations (outside of medical school), I routinely have to clarify that I am not a medical doctor because not everyone can read (or see) the PhD on my name badge.
 
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There's definitely a difference between having the title 'Dr." and being a doctor. I would never dream of referring to one of my professors, or anyone who has earned a terminal degree, really, as anything but "Dr. Alpha" in conversation. However, if Dr. Alpha has a DO and Dr. Beta has a Ph.D in Neuroscience, only Dr. Alpha will be referred to as "Dr. Alpha is a doctor" or "Dr. Alpha is your doctor." One form is a title, which has been earned in the process of obtaining a terminal degree, and the other is a role which is currently equated with 'physician'.

Beyond that distinction, I guess I don't really care, as long as the person is clear about their role otherwise.
 
There's definitely a difference between having the title 'Dr." and being a doctor. I would never dream of referring to one of my professors, or anyone who has earned a terminal degree, really, as anything but "Dr. Alpha" in conversation. However, if Dr. Alpha has a DO and Dr. Beta has a Ph.D in Neuroscience, only Dr. Alpha will be referred to as "Dr. Alpha is a doctor" or "Dr. Alpha is your doctor." One form is a title, which has been earned in the process of obtaining a terminal degree, and the other is a role which is currently equated with 'physician'.

Beyond that distinction, I guess I don't really care, as long as the person is clear about their role otherwise.

Spot on!!
 
"Other professions are using the title 'doctor' precisely to take advantage of this."
Wow. That's quite the assertion, particularly given the fact that the use of the title 'doctor' for non-medical academic fields significantly pre-dates the use of the term for medical doctors. The term 'doctor' is merely a title that indicates a significant amount of expertise in the field that a person presents as part of their introduction (e.g. "I'm Dr. X. I'm your audiologist today" or "I'm Dr. Dre. I'm the physical therapist working with you today" or "I'm Dr. Dawkins. I'll be teaching your biology class for the semester." Using the term 'doctor' in each of those scenarios, assuming that they did indeed earn a doctorate degree in that field, indicates significant expertise in that particular field, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to exhibit/share that fact with others, when it is relevant to the work you are doing/providing).

Undoubtedly, there are some people who do use the term 'doctor' to mislead others, but that's not a function of the right to use that title if you've earned a doctorate degree in any legitimate academic field...that is a function of the fact that there are some dishonest as* hats in the world, but they are the exception rather than the rule. No, most people do not use the term 'doctor' to make others think they are medical doctors; they use the term 'doctor' because they have earned a doctorate degree and thus have the right to call themselves 'doctor,' and also want to convey to others that they have doctoral-level expertise in their field...there is no shame at all in either of those reasons.

We get it, you're a psychology student with a complex that's upset because real doctors don't think of you as a fellow doctor.
 
"Other professions are using the title 'doctor' precisely to take advantage of this."
Wow. That's quite the assertion, particularly given the fact that the use of the title 'doctor' for non-medical academic fields significantly pre-dates the use of the term for medical doctors. The term 'doctor' is merely a title that indicates a significant amount of expertise in the field that a person presents as part of their introduction (e.g. "I'm Dr. X. I'm your audiologist today" or "I'm Dr. Dre. I'm the physical therapist working with you today" or "I'm Dr. Dawkins. I'll be teaching your biology class for the semester." Using the term 'doctor' in each of those scenarios, assuming that they did indeed earn a doctorate degree in that field, indicates significant expertise in that particular field, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to exhibit/share that fact with others, when it is relevant to the work you are doing/providing).

Undoubtedly, there are some people who do use the term 'doctor' to mislead others, but that's not a function of the right to use that title if you've earned a doctorate degree in any legitimate academic field...that is a function of the fact that there are some dishonest as* hats in the world, but they are the exception rather than the rule. No, most people do not use the term 'doctor' to make others think they are medical doctors; they use the term 'doctor' because they have earned a doctorate degree and thus have the right to call themselves 'doctor,' and also want to convey to others that they have doctoral-level expertise in their field...there is no shame at all in either of those reasons.
Yes, lots of people have doctoral degrees and do have the right to call themselves "doctor". I actually mentioned the history of the term before you did, if you scroll up. However, "doctor" in the medical setting almost always equates to "physician" in the mind of the public, and no amount of justification you give is going to convince me that at least part of any non-physician's motivation to call themselves a "doctor" in the hospital setting isn't based on that. Lawyers also possess a doctorate, you never hear them calling themselves "doctor", especially not in a hospital. I've also never walked into a CVS and had a pharmacist introduce him or herself as Dr. so and so. The public is not fully educated on every possible doctorate degree. If you walk into a patient's room in a hospital and call yourself Dr. whatever, you can follow that up with whatever title you want, and most people will assume you are an MD/DO. Most patients don't know that physical therapy or audiology aren't disciplines of medicine and will assume you are a physician specialized in that. Lots of people have no clue what the difference is between a psychologist and a psychiatrist. If you know this, and I know you do, and still call yourself "Doctor" in the hospital setting, you are knowingly misleading a large segment of the population, and that's wrong. Doesn't matter what technicality you can produce to justify it.

That being said, I'm a proponent of all us dropping these titles and coats. I don't think they're necessary and just add to confusion as the amount of confusion in this thread full of medical professionals proves.
 
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No, most people do not use the term 'doctor' to make others think they are medical doctors; they use the term 'doctor' because they have earned a doctorate degree and thus have the right to call themselves 'doctor,' and also want to convey to others that they have doctoral-level expertise in their field...there is no shame at all in either of those reasons.

No there isn't shame in it. But they should not be able to walk into a patients hospital room and say "hi I'm dr. X." In a clinical setting there are really only 2 doctorates that matter and that is the MD/DO, anything else is fraud to the patient.
 
... In a clinical setting there are really only 2 doctorates that matter...
PhD/PsyD clinical psychologists and neuropsychologists have doctoral degrees and see patients in a clinical setting

Dentists have doctoral degrees and see patients in a clinical setting

Podiatrists have doctoral degrees and see patients in a clinical setting

Optometrists have doctoral degrees and see patients in a clinical setting

I worked in 3 different large hospital systems in the 6 years prior to med school and I never observed a single occasion where someone with a doctoral degree misrepresent himself/herself regarding his/her role in a patient's care, nor have I observed it during clerkships. FWIW, I've also never encountered a PharmD, NP, or DPT that introduced himself/herself as a doctor to a patient or didn't explicitly make clear his/her role in that patient's care. Ironically the only times I've actually heard of this happening on are on SDN and people misconstruing what a non-physician provider said or putting a spin on their interaction with a non-physician provider to create drama.

If someone chooses to misrepresent his/her clinical role to a patient its unethical (and in some cases illegal) and the onus is on the individual not the profession or degree/education. For those arguing that it supposedly confuses patients, its the responsibility of those involved in a patient's care to clarify their role(s) (this includes the physician informing the patient who they are consulting/referring the patient to, why, and what that individual's role will be in that patient's care) - which obviously goes beyond just saying "Hi, I'm Dr. So and so."
 
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