Our field should do a position statement on how lame daylight saving time is.

[borne_before]

Sorry for making a whole thread about this. But, at least this one wouldn’t be political.

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[cara susanna]

Now THAT I would sign onto in a heartbeat. I hate fall back as much as I hate spring forward. I'm so hungry

 

[psych.meout]

Seems like the sleep psych people should be at the forefront of this.

 

[R. Matey]

Seems like the sleep psych people should be at the forefront of this.

The sleep medicine ppl are. I assume sleep psych ppl share these concerns.

Daylight saving time: an American Academy of Sleep Medicine position statement - PMC

The last several years have seen intense debate about the issue of transitioning between standard and daylight saving time. In the United States, the annual advance to daylight saving time in spring, and fall back to standard time in autumn, is ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[singasongofjoy]

While we're at it, can we put out a position statement for high schools starting later than elementary schools - for sleep reasons of course but also when bus / dropoff options for elementary school are so late in the morning, some of us have to really haul tail to get to work on time.

 

[ClinicalABA]

While we're at it, can we put out a position statement for high schools starting later than elementary schools - for sleep reasons of course but also when bus / dropoff options for elementary school are so late in the morning, some of us have to really haul tail to get to work on time.

They pushed through the later HS starting times in my town, and it has been pretty unanimously well received.

 

[Shiori]

Maybe we can use change talk to get rid of the penny too.

 

[The Cinnabon]

Now THAT I would sign onto in a heartbeat. I hate fall back as much as I hate spring forward. I'm so hungry

I like whichever one gives me an extra hour of sleep. The one where I lose an hour of sleep can go f*** itself.

 

[cara susanna]

I like whichever one gives me an extra hour of sleep. The one where I lose an hour of sleep can go f*** itself.

Most people hate spring forward and like fall back. I hate both.

 

[Ollie123]

I'm already very tired from my toddler waking up at 5:30AM every day. I love that the last two days it was 4:30AM.

 

[momcanyoucomepickmeup]

Yess, most sleep psych people dislike DST and early school start times (there are sooo many reasons why early school start times negatively impact high school students) and a lot of position statements have been released about both! Sleep psych is part of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, the Sleep Research Society, etc.

Position Statements

Position statements and resolutions on student sleep and school start times

www.startschoollater.net

New position statement supports permanent standard time

An updated position statement from AASM supports the replacement of daylight saving time with permanent standard time.

aasm.org

 

[BuckeyeLove]

Dude I rented a house in wrigleyville this past weekend for my friends for a football game there. My dad has also live in Chicago since 1991. Let me tell you…nothing prepares you for the depressive state that is the Chicago 430pm post daylight savings fall sunset. Legit could never live there (for a variety of reasons), but the no sun in the winter is at the top of the list.

 

[LM02]

There have been a ton of consensus statements published around the school start times, and pushing them back has been endorsed by a number of organizations - including the NEA. But the reality is that school districts struggle with making the change for a variety of reasons, and the recommendation is to not just "share the evidence" to facilitate the change (news alert: people don't care about expertise) but instead go through a process of constituent engagement to build collective ownership over the changes, and get buy-in over time.

I've been advocating for this in my community for over a decade (my kids are now in high school and will likely never benefit from such a change), and the variety of barriers to the change - which shape shift over time - has been super frustrating. And that is after I've been invited to present to various local groups, I've become friends with members of our school board, and have even met personally with 3 different superintendents over this period of time! The organization Start Schools Later has chapter members (we even established one!) with a ton of resources.

Major barriers include things like having to flip the bus schedules because school districts do not have enough money (and there are not enough bus drivers) to run elementary, middle, and HS routes concurrently; family reliance on HS students to watch their younger kids after school (so if HS kids get out of school after elementary school kids, that's an issue); concerns that kids will have fewer hours available for after-school jobs; and also concerns related to sports practices on fields that don't have adequate lighting for days when the sun sets earlier (and it costs a ton of $$ to install these lights).

Then of course there are the various political battles being fought on the grounds of our public schools, related to what is being taught, what books are available to children, whether crumbling buildings should be replaced, etc. that create suboptimal conditions for a big change like pushing back school times. It's a mess.

 

[Sanman]

I'm already very tired from my toddler waking up at 5:30AM every day. I love that the last two days it was 4:30AM.

Mine woke up at 4am this morning. I feel your pain.

 

[cara susanna]

Dude I rented a house in wrigleyville this past weekend for my friends for a football game there. My dad has also live in Chicago since 1991. Let me tell you…nothing prepares you for the depressive state that is the Chicago 430pm post daylight savings fall sunset. Legit could never live there (for a variety of reasons), but the no sun in the winter is at the top of the list.

I'm in the upper Midwest and, yes, I have forgotten what sun is. My husband, who is from southern California, bought a light box last year.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

I'm weird and don't mind the early sunset, but I've always felt that school start times, especially for older kids, have been early. When I was in HS, we had to be in homeroom by 7a, which was fun. Although on the flip side, getting out a bit after 2p wasn't bad. I know HS starts later where I am nowadays (around 8:30), and that seems a bit more humane. Elementary school goes in the earliest, followed by junior high and then HS. Seems logical.