Out of State Postdoc

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If the postdoc experience meets the California licensing board's criteria, then yes. Meeting the eligibility criteria matters more than the location (assuming you're in the US).
 
What are the requirements it needs to meet, other than 10% supervision?
 
Did I read that stuff correctly about needing 10% supervision time even during postdoc hours? Ugh. I don't know if I will ever be able to move back to Ca cause I had one hour a week of supervision during postdoc. Four hours was what I had during internship and all of the years before. Seems a little much especially when many of us have had to pay for supervision during that phase of our training.
 
smalltownpsych said:
Did I read that stuff correctly about needing 10% supervision time even during postdoc hours? Ugh. I don't know if I will ever be able to move back to Ca cause I had one hour a week of supervision during postdoc. Four hours was what I had during internship and all of the years before. Seems a little much especially when many of us have had to pay for supervision during that phase of our training.
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From my understanding you need 10% supervision every week (4o hours) worked, but only 1 of those hours has to be individual. So you can count group supervision for the other 3 hours.
 
smalltownpsych said:
Did I read that stuff correctly about needing 10% supervision time even during postdoc hours? Ugh. I don't know if I will ever be able to move back to Ca cause I had one hour a week of supervision during postdoc. Four hours was what I had during internship and all of the years before. Seems a little much especially when many of us have had to pay for supervision during that phase of our training.
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I've heard that getting boarded through ABPP makes it easy to become licensed in a new state. I know someone who was having trouble getting licensed in another state, so he got boarded and was easily pushed through.
 
Peacemaker36 said:
I've heard that getting boarded through ABPP makes it easy to become licensed in a new state. I know someone who was having trouble getting licensed in another state, so he got boarded and was easily pushed through.
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I have national register certification so that will suffice for most of the states and it does help. We really do need to continue to work towards more uniformity. Main reason is the negative experience employers have when hiring psychologists. Even though I had a license in another state and everything verified by national register, I still was unable to work as a psychologist for over a year. In fact, the licensing board suggested that I just get an LCPC license so I could work while I was waiting trough the process. They even suggested that I fly back to the prior state that I was licensed in to do an assessment that was part of the application process. I already had assessments to show them but I didn't have one with a Rorschach because I typically don't have clinical justification to use one. Each state has some extra hoop to jump through and the end result is to make psychologists look stupid and petty to employers. Fortunately our skill set overcomes that negative but as a businessman, I know that every obstacle decreases sales and that is what we do to ourselves. I talk to my physician friends about the licensure process and they are stunned.
 
Peacemaker36 said:
I've heard that getting boarded through ABPP makes it easy to become licensed in a new state. I know someone who was having trouble getting licensed in another state, so he got boarded and was easily pushed through.
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It can, depending on the state--some may accept ABPP boarding in certain specialties in lieu of their own oral exams, for example. But I'd imagine ABPP is a longer and more expensive process (depending on specialty) than most state boarding procedures.
 
WisNeuro said:
I was curious and took a look. I don't see anywhere that there has to be a projective. It only mentions that one objective personality measure must be used.

http://www.mtrules.org/gateway/ruleno.asp?RN=24.189.610
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Thanks for the update. I couldn't remember if they had changed that rule specifically or not and it has been awhile since I looked it up. They reworked a lot of the application process because of several lawsuits. In fact, last year they upped the license fee to pay for those lawsuits. I'm pretty sure that they also changed another rule that led to a Catch-22 for psychologists coming in to the state. Basically, if you did not have work samples which matched their requirements, you could not do them in order to meet the requirement without practicing without a license. They had a temporary permit that you could operate under, but the law stated that in order to get the permit, you had to turn in your work samples first. Actually as I read through the rule, it doesn't look like that was changed. Maybe I have just seen different rulings on it from the board. Another interesting point is that last year the board stopped accepting National Register credentials as they had an applicant that met National Register guidelines that didn't meet state guidelines.
 
WisNeuro said:
Yeah looks like they last made revisions in 2012. Seems fairly straightforward from a quick read through, although I do see where it could be a problem for people who are doing pretty much therapy full-time.
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Yeah, I knew a guy who was doing therapy and consultation and hadn't done any testing in years so he drove patients across the state line to do the assessments. I have always kept my feet wet in the testing realm, but tend to do more cognitive testing so in theory could have tough time getting an objective personality measure. I think the last MMPI was done over a year ago. Most licensing guidelines seem pretty straightforward until you don't meet one of the requirements and then it can be quite a challenge because boards have to follow the law. That is one problem with having such variation between states.
 
smalltownpsych said:
Another interesting point is that last year the board stopped accepting National Register credentials as they had an applicant that met National Register guidelines that didn't meet state guidelines.
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Literally backwards from the direction most states are going.
Well, shucks. I guess Wyoming goes on my list of states I dont want to ever be licensed in:

-Wyoming
-California

That's it.
 
bmedclinic said:
Literally backwards from the direction most states are going.
Well, shucks. I guess Wyoming goes on my list of states I dont want to ever be licensed in:

-Wyoming
-California

That's it.
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🙂 That was Montana not Wyoming. Wyoming was a fairly straightforward licensure process. I plan on moving back there some day. Loved the skiing and lack of traffic.
 
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