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Is owning your own pharmacy a good idea?
HOw much money do they make??
Any opinions
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daysinnnc said:
Is owning your own pharmacy a good idea?
HOw much money do they make??
Any opinions
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The answer to all your questions is "it depends...."

It's a business.....Depends on competition and demand for your business. Also it depends on your own creativity, business mind and leadership qualities. Some of them are making no money and some are making millions. On average they may be making more than your chain and hospital pharmacists but remember many extra hours go into owning your business.

A good source of info would be going to a local independent pharmacy and asking the pharmacist there.....
 
Is owning your own pharmacy a good idea?
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The answer is probably not. If you own your own pharmacy, your are practicing in a retail setting. In the Philadelphia area, retail chain pharmacists can earn between $100,000.00 and $125,000.00 per year. At a one percent net profit you would need between $10,000,000. and $12,000,000.00 (that's between 10 and 12 million per year). The risks are enormous and the rewards are not that much greater than working for a chain.

The problem is the reimbursement for each prescription is shrinking daily. The insurance companies own the government and they make the rules. AWP-17% +$1.50? You need to fill a whole lot of prescriptions to make that up. Pharmacies always accepted the low dispensing fee because they made enough on the cost of the medication to justify accepting the reimbursement formula. This was especially true when dispensing generic medications. No that the insurance companies have cut the dispensing fee to the bone, they have decided pharmacies are gouging them on the cost of the medication and are cutting back there as well.

If you find a niche market where not many others are providing a particular service and you can make a decent profit, go for it.

The other issue is, you are never off. If your pharmacist is sick, you are on. Shrink (employee theft) is another interesting problem. Mt step father owned a pharmacy and he always told me none of his pharmacists every purchased razor blades or shaving cream and none of them had a beard.

That's the long answer, the sort answer is NO.
 
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Like Old timer said... you really have to find a niche if you want to do well. There is going to be a big market for nursing homes which could be a good field for your to research.
 
Old Timer said:
The answer is probably not. If you own your own pharmacy, your are practicing in a retail setting. In the Philadelphia area, retail chain pharmacists can earn between $100,000.00 and $125,000.00 per year. At a one percent net profit you would need between $10,000,000. and $12,000,000.00 (that's between 10 and 12 million per year). The risks are enormous and the rewards are not that much greater than working for a chain.

That's the long answer, the sort answer is NO.
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Your lack of entrepreneurial spirit is encouraging to me. 😉 There are many very successful independent pharmacies. They exist in fewer numbers in urban areas, but some rural areas are far enough away from competition that it would be hard to NOT succeed. In an urban area, it all depends on how it's done, what services the pharmacy offers and how good at running a business the owner is and how hard the owner/pharmacist wants to work (there's not much 9-5 for the sole proprietor).

Now, I've never sat down and looked at the books for any of the pharmacies who's owners are assuring me of their success, but I'll keep an open mind until it's time for me to think more seriously about it.
 
I have plenty of entrepreneurial spirit. I am also a realist. Over one thousand Independent Pharmacies closed in 2006. The number that have closed in the last ten years is amazing.
Now, I've never sat down and looked at the books for any of the pharmacies who's owners are assuring me of their success, but I'll keep an open mind until it's time for me to think more seriously about it.
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When you look at the books, you let me know. Why would you rather work 24-7 for $200,000.00 per year when you can work 9-5 for $100,000.00 per year. There are people who are doing it, but they are few and far between, because it gets harder every day...
 
I live in a VERY urban area. Five years ago, there were about 12 independent pharmacies from Palo Alto to San Jose - an area of about 30 linear miles (not sure how many square miles). Today, there are 3 & I know one is closing when the pharmacist retires since he told me there is no one to buy the business.

Yes - these 3 do unique compounding, vet rxs & have their following of cash patients. But, the reality is, compounding is threatened constantly now. As older prescribers retire, there are fewer compounded rxs just because new prescribers are being trained to write for what is commercially available.

The issue, as Old Timer pointed out, is reimbursement to cover your costs, but also the need to get people thru your door. Folks in my area don't want to make lots of stops for errands & there is no reason to go to an independent pharmacy when you can buy the same things in any grocery or chain pharmacy. Even these large pharmacies are losing patients to mail order so they are delivering expanded services like travel medications/immunizations & medication management services - not so much to make money, but to get people thru the door to purchase other goods.

I've never lived in a rural area, but when I go to them, I don't see independent pharmacies. But, that may just be the economic climate of my state (& NC, which I just visited).
 
Independent pharmacies do well. I have worked in one that is in the family and know 3 other people that own others. And as far as hard work goes, it can be, but consider this. However hard you work for cvs or walgreens do you see an increase in salary? Nope. At an independent you are working for yourself. Whatever you put in you get out. Also, you are the boss. Don't like having to answer to that annoying DM, me personally at certain places the music I had to listen to drove me crazy. And yeah alot of older people own pharmacies and are closing them. Want to know why, they are retiring. Which means there is enormous potential to own more pharmacies in the coming years as baby boomers retire and are willing to sell there pharmacy.

Don't let the other replys get you down. Go for it if you want to.
 
12345 said:
Whatever you put in you get out.

Don't let the other replys get you down. Go for it if you want to.
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We may be in the land of opportunity and the phrase "whatever you put in you will get out" is a nice saying but is only true in context. You have to be business savvy like others have said and find a niche. You could put your heart and soul into the place and be losing money the whole time or making ends meat. Going for what you want is not "advise" it is a slogan, research and make a decision based on what is best for you personally. I want to be a professional Baseball player but long ago I understood that my arm and shoulder will not allow me to throw well for long... Sure there are some successful independents, the point trying to be made is that they are becoming fewer and fewer and becoming one of the few is getting harder and harder! In a nation of go go, people want to pickup their prescription with the rest of their items, why make another stop and waste gas..... My rural town has an independent pharmacy but my parents choose to pickup their prescriptions at Costco when they shop because they say it is easier and cheaper for them.

I am trying to be realistic, but if you can find a good business opportunity then great. I recommend talking to local independents, maybe even look into the "Medicine Shoppe" chain, give them a call and see what they are all about. They are others options to exam, like starting an "All Cash Pharmacy", I do not know the website but if you google it, you will find some information about it.

I would also love to be my own boss if I find an opportunity, I do not know if that opportunity will present itself in pharmacy though, I may have to open up a cigar shop instead.
 
12345 said:
Independent pharmacies do well. I have worked in one that is in the family and know 3 other people that own others.
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Bunk, or bull feathers or whatever else I can say that says, you are just dead wrong. You have a very small sample. The truth of the matter is independent pharmacies are closing at an alarming rate. They cannot make ends meet.

12345 said:
And as far as hard work goes, it can be, but consider this. However hard you work for cvs or walgreens do you see an increase in salary? Nope.
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More Bunk and Bull Feathers. Retail Chain Pharmacists have seen their salary increase by about 40% over the last five years. Ask any independent if they have seen this kind of increase. Independents are loosing income every year. That's why they are going out of business.

12345 said:
At an independent you are working for yourself. Whatever you put in you get out. Also, you are the boss. Don't like having to answer to that annoying DM, me personally at certain places the music I had to listen to drove me crazy.
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Well this is partly true. You have no one to answer to except your creditors. What you put in goes to them before you get any back. It's hard to make ends meet when you pay your wholesaler weekly and the PBM's pay monthly.

12345 said:
And yeah alot of older people own pharmacies and are closing them. Want to know why, they are retiring. Which means there is enormous potential to own more pharmacies in the coming years as baby boomers retire and are willing to sell there pharmacy.
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The problem here is NOBODY is buying them because the investment is NOT WORTH it. Why would you pay $250,000.00+inventory to buy a business and work at least 40 hours on the bench and extra time cooking the books when you can work 40 hours and invest the money in any other investment vehicle.

You are speaking to someone who spent all of my life in independent retail pharmacy. Owning my own place was a life long dream. I had the location and a right of first refusal to match any other offer. I could NOT justify risking my house and all of my fortune for a business with a 1-2% net profit. As long as pharmacy is piece work and volume dependent, which it is unless you have a niche, nursing home, veterinary, compounding, whatever you cannot generate enough volume to make ends meet.

I reread my original post and I was right then and I am right now. Unless you have a niche, it's not worth it.
 
I have my own store. I never wanted it, previous owner ran in to 'trouble' and I was offered the store at reasonable terms. There is money to be made. I fill about 275 rx's a day and at the end of the year I have about $100,000 left over. I pay myself $100,000 and a part time RPh $45,000. I also am paying about $80,000 a year to buy the place. When it is paid for that money will be there at the end of the year also.
Could you pick a spot and start your own store and do well? I doubt it, my store has been around since the mid 50's. People have shopped there longer than I've been alive. Someone else built it up under better conditions. I do my best to maintain.
I do know of a pharmacist who was very outgoing, made tons of friends at a chain store and after 5 years opened his own store. That store is doing very well but he has a special personality. I tend to be a grouch and like to fight with people. I'd last about 6 months until I folded.
 
Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates are disgusting! Private health ins reimbursements rates are laughable!!!!! Like some posts above have said, your net profits are a mere 1-2% and they will shrink. The setting must be right and u must distinguish your business from the chains!! The reality is its just not worth it. Working for a chain u can go home at night and leave your work their. Owning your own store, your home will be the store! Anyway, just my 2 cents!

Dr.M
 
littlekings said:
I have my own store. I never wanted it, previous owner ran in to 'trouble' and I was offered the store at reasonable terms. There is money to be made. I fill about 275 rx's a day and at the end of the year I have about $100,000 left over. I pay myself $100,000 and a part time RPh $45,000. I also am paying about $80,000 a year to buy the place. When it is paid for that money will be there at the end of the year also.
Could you pick a spot and start your own store and do well? I doubt it, my store has been around since the mid 50's. People have shopped there longer than I've been alive. Someone else built it up under better conditions. I do my best to maintain.
I do know of a pharmacist who was very outgoing, made tons of friends at a chain store and after 5 years opened his own store. That store is doing very well but he has a special personality. I tend to be a grouch and like to fight with people. I'd last about 6 months until I folded.
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I am happy for you that you are making out ok. But you are doing between 1400-2000 scripts per week and you are doing it with 1.5 pharmacists. At a chain you would have 2 full time pharmacists. How many hours a week do you work? How many weekends? If you added up the hours you spent and worked that at a chain you would make almost as much. I know it can be done, you just have to have the right opportunity. The problem is 30 years ago the right opportunity was just about everywhere now it is harder to find....
 
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Old Timer said:
Bunk, or bull feathers or whatever else I can say that says, you are just dead wrong. You have a very small sample. The truth of the matter is independent pharmacies are closing at an alarming rate. They cannot make ends meet.


Well I still dissagree. My sample may not be very large, but you haven't provided any statistics or examples, so yours is worse.
More Bunk and Bull Feathers. Retail Chain Pharmacists have seen their salary increase by about 40% over the last five years. Ask any independent if they have seen this kind of increase. Independents are loosing income every year. That's why they are going out of business.

You didn't respond to what I said. The chain pharmacists salarys have grown yes. Now what i said was, if you work harder for a chain pharmacy do you get to keep the extra profits you brought in? No you don't.

Well this is partly true. You have no one to answer to except your creditors. What you put in goes to them before you get any back. It's hard to make ends meet when you pay your wholesaler weekly and the PBM's pay monthly.


The problem here is NOBODY is buying them because the investment is NOT WORTH it. Why would you pay $250,000.00+inventory to buy a business and work at least 40 hours on the bench and extra time cooking the books when you can work 40 hours and invest the money in any other investment vehicle.

Well because you can make more money, and run things how you want. Look at the poster who owns his own. yeah he paying himself 100k a year, but when he pays the pharmacy off he will get that extra 80 making it 180k/yr. Or maybe he could just hire another pharmacist and work 10 hrs a week making 100k.

You are speaking to someone who spent all of my life in independent retail pharmacy. Owning my own place was a life long dream. I had the location and a right of first refusal to match any other offer. I could NOT justify risking my house and all of my fortune for a business with a 1-2% net profit. As long as pharmacy is piece work and volume dependent, which it is unless you have a niche, nursing home, veterinary, compounding, whatever you cannot generate enough volume to make ends meet.

I reread my original post and I was right then and I am right now. Unless you have a niche, it's not worth it.
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There is some information here if anyone wants to read it.
http://www.ncpanet.org/aboutncpa/ipt.php
 
12345 said:
If you can check out the ncp pfizer digest, it is statistics on independent pharmacies. You can read a summery here: http://www.ncpanet.org/pdf/digest06_summary.pdf
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Be careful what you read! This is an old & flawed report, even though it is dated Nov 2006. The reason is - the data is compiled from 2005 and Part D has decimated many, many rural independent pharmacies.

Also, read the text & look at the pie chart. The text classfies independent pharmacies as chain, franchise, LTC, specialty & supermarket - then it breaks out the supermarket pharmacies in the pie chart. It can't be in both.

Also....in my area, the LTC pharmacies are NOT independent pharmacies - they are large, corporate owned closed door pharmacies & service over 1000 beds. I'm sure there are a few pharmacies who fill rxs for LTC here & there, but again, increasing regulation & restrictions are making this difficult, as is compounding.

One of the first things you learn in pharmacy school is critical reading skills. Although the Pfizer Digest is well known - it also comes with tremendous bias. This perhaps is a closer look at more current data:

www.pcmanet.org/.../2007/Documents/ SKA%20Research%20Consumer%20Access%20to%20Pharmacies%202007%205_1_07.pdf

although, you must question its authenticity as well since it does not tell us how the information was received.

The best look is from the NCPDP files & I can't get to them right now.

But - to the OP - good luck! Its your money & time only. Give it a try if you have the business ability.
 
sdn1977 said:
Be careful what you read! This is an old & flawed report, even though it is dated Nov 2006. The reason is - the data is compiled from 2005 and Part D has decimated many, many rural independent pharmacies.

Also, read the text & look at the pie chart. The text classfies independent pharmacies as chain, franchise, LTC, specialty & supermarket - then it breaks out the supermarket pharmacies in the pie chart. It can't be in both.


It is saying independents are classified as those, but they are still independently owned, just in those specialties or located in a supermarket. Then it takes the whole catagory as independents and compares it to other corporate ones such as supermaket pharmacies not independently owned.


Also....in my area, the LTC pharmacies are NOT independent pharmacies - they are large, corporate owned closed door pharmacies & service over 1000 beds. I'm sure there are a few pharmacies who fill rxs for LTC here & there, but again, increasing regulation & restrictions are making this difficult, as is compounding.

One of the first things you learn in pharmacy school is critical reading skills. Although the Pfizer Digest is well known - it also comes with tremendous bias. This perhaps is a closer look at more current data:

www.pcmanet.org/.../2007/Documents/ SKA%20Research%20Consumer%20Access%20to%20Pharmacies%202007%205_1_07.pdf

I couldn't get the link to work. but I have still not seen any statistics pointing out how bad an idependent pharmacy is.

although, you must question its authenticity as well since it does not tell us how the information was received.

The best look is from the NCPDP files & I can't get to them right now.

But - to the OP - good luck! Its your money & time only. Give it a try if you have the business ability.
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I couldn't get the link to work. but I have still not seen any statistics pointing out how bad an idependent pharmacy is.
 
You mean I shouldn't be looking into a Burger Joint/Pharmacy combo local baitshop and general store at a small resort village?
 
A local pharmacist bought me dinner a couple weeks ago. This was because the main topic of conversation was her compounding pharmacy, her mentor, and his private jet which he pilots to transport tetracaine from the USA to his compounding manufacturing facility in Costa Rica. Did I mention he is "just" a pharmacist?

Oh yea...we discussed a new branch opening in 2011 😛



The more of you discouraged in the future of independent pharmacies the happier I am.
 
ForcedEntry said:
A local pharmacist bought me dinner a couple weeks ago. This was because the main topic of conversation was her compounding pharmacy, her mentor, and his private jet which he pilots to transport tetracaine from the USA to his compounding manufacturing facility in Costa Rica. Did I mention he is "just" a pharmacist?

Oh yea...we discussed a new branch opening in 2011 😛



The more of you discouraged in the future of independent pharmacies the happier I am.
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get me on the new one in 2011
 
I think I'll open a pub and name it Bunk and Bull Feathers.
 
I work about 38 hours a week, store is only open 9-6 M-F and 9-1 Sat, closed Sun. Yes I do go in for emergencies, yes I have to stay late on occasion for the last nursing home orders, yes I go in an hour early everyday so I can get order delivered before we open and yes some chains have better 401's, paid vacations and such. I'm not saying it is all wine and roses and I wouldn't recommend it but under certian circumstances it still works. And I take NO credit for it, again I was in the right place at the right time.
I worked for an independant while in school and saw them sell to SuperX. I now see why, they had large store, needed 4-5 people to man all the registers, stamp machine, watches, gift shop. Huge square footage, tons of inventory, open 9-9 M-Sat and half a day Sunday.
The stores I see working are the Medicine Shoppe, Medicap type. If interested do it on your own and skip their 5%+ fee. This type usually has limited hours and smaller square footage so 1-3 people can operate it.
I'd love to have a big honkin store with a soda fountain and post office and greeting cards and beer and pop and cigs and candy and some healthy stuff too but those are the stores that are becoming extinct.
Sorry if I ramble and have poor writing skills, this would be quite a bit to fit on a label.
 
don't let anyone dissuade you to pursue your dream. join ncpa when you get into school and explore the opportunities.

it can be done!!
 
The data I cited is from the NCPA, the trade group of Independent Pharmacies. There has been a NET decrease of 5% in the number of independent community pharmacies.

Those are real facts by the organization that represents Independent Community Pharmacy. The numbers in the last 15 years are staggering.

Please people listen to what I wrote. Is it wrong for everyone, NO. Can some people make a really good living, especially if they have a niche like compounding, yes.

But as a general rule, that means there are exceptions, it is not a wise idea to open a business that has a net profit of 1-2% unless you can generate a great deal of sales.

To quote the NCPA:
The National Community Pharmacists Association (NCPA) today released
preliminary data from its annual NCPA-Pfizer Digest -- a comprehensive
financial and demographic survey of the nation's independent community
pharmacies -- showing a downturn in several key economic measures for the
first time in a decade. The most troubling Digest figures from 2006 are a
multitude of store closings, stagnation in the average total prescription
sales, and plummeting net operating income.
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For this interested in more information, please read this article in the Washington Post.
 
You don't necessarily have to open up a retail pharmacy to hail yourself as an independent pharmacy owner. My colleague's uncle owns three nuclear pharmacies in the South Carolina area. Each pharmacy gross's about $7-$10 million a year. He pays himself a nice reward of a half a mill a year. Now I don't know much about the nuclear field, but seeing how hospitals are constantly outsourcing blood samples for nuclear tagging and requiring isotopes for nuclear driven imaging, I feel as if this type of business is going to prosper well into the future. I plan to go independent once I've received enough experience to do so. Of course, I hope to do this with the above mentioned colleague for shared risk and credit reasons. Plus, from a business point of view, it's not like you're advertising a dead product like a betamax player or something along those lines, you're selling a product that will basically sell itself. Given, learn some marketing and management skills so that your project can that much more appealing. One final caveat, definitely try to go rural, especially out towards the central states where the retail giants haven't quite dominated yet.
 
I agree with Me+PharmD.

For those of you saying it's not worth it, it's not worth it for you. But at the same time, to be successful in business, you have to think outside of the box (cliche') I know. Owning a pharmacy doesn't have to be a retail pharmacy as you know it...churning out scripts making small margins.

Besides my day job, I own a DME/Pharmacy specializing in Ped Nutrition & Oxygen... Ped Nutrtion gross margin is 45%... but always changing. We have 25+ employees...dieticians, pharmacists, customer service reps, delivery personnel, and warehouse folks.

Yes, it's a closed door pharmacy.

Keep believing owning your own pharmacy is a bad thing. There will always be a small group of us watching the masses...and go the other way. Following the masses will get you to a very crowded and undesirable place.
 
ZpackSux said:
I agree with Me+PharmD.

Keep believing owning your own pharmacy is a bad thing. There will always be a small group of us watching the masses...and go the other way. Following the masses will get you to a very crowded and undesirable place.
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Exactly
 
ZpackSux said:
I agree with Me+PharmD.

For those of you saying it's not worth it, it's not worth it for you. But at the same time, to be successful in business, you have to think outside of the box (cliche') I know. Owning a pharmacy doesn't have to be a retail pharmacy as you know it...churning out scripts making small margins.

Besides my day job, I own a DME/Pharmacy specializing in Ped Nutrition & Oxygen... Ped Nutrtion gross margin is 45%... but always changing. We have 25+ employees...dieticians, pharmacists, customer service reps, delivery personnel, and warehouse folks.

Yes, it's a closed door pharmacy.

Keep believing owning your own pharmacy is a bad thing. There will always be a small group of us watching the masses...and go the other way. Following the masses will get you to a very crowded and undesirable place.
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Very true. I've always wanted to own my own pharmacy, just nervous about these ins companies. Perhaps I will find something that no other chain or independent offers and go from there. Who knows...
 
Doctor M said:
Very true. I've always wanted to own my own pharmacy, just nervous about these ins companies. Perhaps I will find something that no other chain or independent offers and go from there. Who knows...
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One of my biggest fears in life is having to say "I should've" while on my deathbed.
 
I figure it's worth a try - the worst thing that will happen, it doesn't work out, you lose some money - but with any business there is risk - but if it is a success.....it's worth taking that chance.
 
I love it when everyone agrees with me.....

Nuclear, DME, pediatric nutrition, nursing home, etc. It's a niche. It's not regular old community pharmacy.... You can make a very nice living like this as I pointed out. Unless you are in one of these more profitable areas, you will not last long....
 
Agreed - these "niche" pharmacies will work, at least for now.

Compounding may go one way or the other - we'll see. There are strong forces on both sides.

For sterile compounding - its expensive! JCAHO certification, licensed employee expense (incl 24 hr coverage) is expensive, malpractice & corporate insurance is expensive....not for the faint hearted, for sure! In my area - sterile compounding is done completely by corporations - nothing private nor small about it.

There is one closed door pharmacy which specializes in HIV, fertility & other unusual medications. That is the only one I'm away of.
 
Old Timer said:
I love it when everyone agrees with me.....

Nuclear, DME, pediatric nutrition, nursing home, etc. It's a niche. It's not regular old community pharmacy.... You can make a very nice living like this as I pointed out. Unless you are in one of these more profitable areas, you will not last long....
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I'm not sure I'd assume everyone has agreed with you... Some of us just dropped out of the conversation. :laugh:
 
My basic premise was and remains, it is very difficult if not impossible to make a living just dispensing prescriptions. You need to find some niche. Those places that make a nice living usually have some niche.

By the way, closed pharmacies are illegal in Pennsylvania, except for in-patient hospital pharmacies and mail order.
 
Old Timer.

you stated

In the Philadelphia area, retail chain pharmacists can earn between $100,000.00 and $125,000.00 per year. At a one percent net profit you would need between $10,000,000. and $12,000,000.00 (that's between 10 and 12 million per year).
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This is grossly misleading. You do understand that the net profit of 1 percent means after the pharmacist salary is paid. Therefore, you do not need to gross 10 to 12 mil a year to match the salary. If indeed the net profit is 1 percent, then it's a bonus on top of the salary.

And you keep saying only if "niche" market is realized, it can be worth it. Is there a successful business out there that hasn't realized a "niche?"

The bottom line is, you are preaching owning a pharmacy is a bad idea.

The reality is, innovative sole proprietorship involving a retail pharmacy is a great idea for new grads who do not want to sell their soul to mass retailers by putting in 40 hours per week working a JOB (just over broke) rather build an equity in their own business.

You say many retailers closed last year. But how many of them sold their business to larger pharmacies hence capitalizing on it handsomely?

Working a job as a pharmacist is the most primitive way to earn an income because you're trading your time for money. And that time once traded is gone forever. The problem is, your income potential is limited by the amount of time you have in a day. 24 hours. Only by owning your own business and through buying other people's time to duplicate your effort, you can broaden your income and financial potential. Of course you risk losing everything. Larger the risk, larger the reward.

When an enterprenual young person asks "is it worth it?" the correct answer is always "yes it is." There are always millions of reasons why it won't work. But what matters is that one reason why it has to work. For an enterprenuer, working a job is equivalent to being a caged animal.

Life is short. Go out and and try it. I hope you succeed. It's a sweet feeling.

btw Old Timer, all you have to do to make a closed door pharmacy legal in PA is to accept walkins. And having an obscure location like a warehouse district prevents walkins. This is an example why you don't think something will work while I find a way to get around it.

Even though we're both pharmacists, you and I are different. But it is our reponsibility to encourage those few who's willing to give it all, and risk everything to better themselves. Not discourage.
 
It is amazing what a pure ounce of desire can foster.
 
wanna drag big boy?? :meanie:

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Mr. "The pain, its radiating" (boo freaking hoo)


Just remember, pain is weakness leaving the body. :meanie:
 
heck.. the pain didn't leave soon enough....

If you ever get stung in the future, you'll look back to this day and understand.. big marine and all...
 
just watch this and get back to me after you catch your breath.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmCxGjdwLZI[/YOUTUBE]
 
Can I have my 3:37 of my life back please....
 
Now you know pain my friend.
 
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