PA/MD/DO Admissions Question

[hopefulPA]

Well here is yet another "What If" scenario for everyone to ponder this evening. (Let us just assume that I am not speaking of myself - it makes me feel better that way)

Let's say that you have a candidate for PA/MD/DO school who runs a 3.93 GPA and 3.96 sGPA. This candidate also has an undergrad and masters degree already - both with highest honors. The candidate has experience in a hospital setting with excellent letters of reco'. This candidate has also shadowed cardio and CVT surgeons for about a year now and has good communty work in a rural setting. He expects to shoot in the low 30's on the MCAT. This candidate however has a felony conviction for ATTEMPTED fraud from 7 years ago. Do they get in?
What are the implications for licensing?

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[deleted248403]

lol felony conviction? Attempted fraud?

No chance in hell

*edit - here is some useful info with my own additions in red;

The Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) recommends that all US medical schools procure a national background check on applicants upon their conditional acceptance to medical school. The rationale for performing criminal background checks on accepted medical school applicants is based on a number of issues, including..

1. the need to enhance the safety and well-being of patients and, in so doing, to bolster the public's continuing trust in the medical profession, and Felony Conviction for Attempted Fraud would be an EPIC FAIL for this point
2. to ascertain the ability of accepted applicants to eventually become licensed physicians.

http://www.aamc.org/students/amcas/faq/background.htm

 

[Catalystik]

I agree.

 

[ThaliaNox]

I think I would have considered the implications of a felony conviction on future liscensing before I committed to pre-med/pre-PA coursework... You need to do research on this in the real world, not on SDN.

This rather reminds me of a story told by a professor teaching an intro criminology class I took. He told us that he'd had a student referred to him for advising. The student was a junior criminal justice major who wanted to be a cop. The student told him that his inspiration to go into law enforcement had come from his dealings with the law from the criminal side, as he'd had a rough youth with multiple drug and violence convictions. The professor said he wasn't certain how this student had gotten this far without SOMEONE telling him he would never be a cop because of his criminal record. Moral of the story is: always make sure there isn't something that is a total deal-breaker.

 

[hopefulPA]

Would your answers change for a PA program?

 

[deleted248403]

Would your answers change for a PA program?

No, you are still remotely near patients, with whom's safety you might be entrusted.

 

[hopefulPA]

I totally agree with your comments. However, after speaking with the state medical licensing board I am not certain that "attempted fraud" is a total deal breaker for a medical career.

The issue at hand is whether or not one should apply, get accepted and cautiously wait to see if they could get a license. Would you agree?

 

[sideways]

Do you realize how competitive the admissions process is? WTF makes you think your FELONY stands a chance.

It's not even about whether you're black-letter eligible or not, with a felony, for attempted fraud no less, you are N O N C O M P E T I T I V E.

If I were you I'd just get better at fraud and make a career out of that because you've really limited yourself, professionally speaking.

 

[hopefulPA]

I think that you might be interjecting your own interpretation to the their requirement however I appreciate your comments.

 

[deleted248403]

I totally agree with your comments. However, after speaking with the state medical licensing board I am not certain that "attempted fraud" is a total deal breaker for a medical career.

The issue at hand is whether or not one should apply, get accepted and cautiously wait to see if they could get a license. Would you agree?

You do realize that as a doctor you have to deal with medicare and medicaid and i think there is a law about if you have been convicted of fraud (attempted or not) you cannot be in any position where you work with these organizations.

Going to make it tricky to be a doctor, IF you even get that far.

Plus who the hell is going to want someone with a felony record being their doctor and entrusting their health, safety and secrets to? Same goes for PA.

You are not getting a career in medicine as PA/NP/DO/MD and probably RN school would rule you out too

Enough feeding of this troll

 

[hopefulPA]

Great. Still Pre-med huh.... Still posting here......
Seems to me that you are nothing more than bored and not a legit "pre-med" anyway. Go away and grow up.....

 

[ThaliaNox]

Lets try to keep personal attacks out of this, guys.

To the OP: I'm not sure if felony fraud is a total deal-breaker, but it will make it really hard to get admitted. People have a hard time getting admitted after cheating on their g-chem quiz freshman year, or after getting cited for fighting with a room-mate in the dorms. I have seen people get in with things like marijuana convictions or shoplifting in high school, but never anything more serious. I think the people you need to ask this question of, if you want a serious, non-personbashing answer is the admissions staff of a few schools you're thinking of applying to, be they PA or MD. See if you even would be considered, or if they have admitted people with similar records in the past.

 

[sideways]

Lets try to keep personal attacks out of this, guys.

To the OP: I'm not sure if felony fraud is a total deal-breaker, but it will make it really hard to get admitted. People have a hard time getting admitted after cheating on their g-chem quiz freshman year, or after getting cited for fighting with a room-mate in the dorms. I have seen people get in with things like marijuana convictions or shoplifting in high school, but never anything more serious. I think the people you need to ask this question of, if you want a serious, non-personbashing answer is the admissions staff of a few schools you're thinking of applying to, be they PA or MD. See if you even would be considered, or if they have admitted people with similar records in the past.

The OP was convicted of a crime of moral turpitude. He has absolutely no chance of admission to any professional school whatsoever.

Hell, he can't even become a Park Ranger. That's no joke either.

 

[SOcash]

The OP was convicted of a crime of moral turpitude. He has absolutely no chance of admission to any professional school whatsoever.

I agree. I think the nature of the crime makes it unlikely in the extreme that the OP would be able to enter the health field in any capacity (or at least interact with patients).

 

[traitorman]

im real curious now what that attempted fraud is

 

[mmmcdowe]

I totally agree with your comments. However, after speaking with the state medical licensing board I am not certain that "attempted fraud" is a total deal breaker for a medical career.

The issue at hand is whether or not one should apply, get accepted and cautiously wait to see if they could get a license. Would you agree?

Well what did they say?