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This discussion came up a while back at work, could reach no consensus on a plan of action.
Basically heres the case: 40 yr old BMI 30ish, no pmh, big neck, lap chole (i think), was a grade 2 intubation per record. Pt was given roc and reversal given at the end of the case with one weak twitch. In the pacu he's desating on facemask and appeard floppy. DBS shows inadequate reversal. More reversal given (neo or edro, doesnt matter), still desating, now in low 80's. No bronchospasm, pneumo, significant atalectasis, a lot of upper airway obstruction even with nasal canula, shallow rapid breathing. 250 mcg fentanyl given in case, 6 mg neostigmine altogether. You decide to intubate him in the PACU. No glidescope, or other video airway device available.
Ok, so heres the question: Challenging airway, pacu intubation....do you in addition to an induction agent:
A) Intubate w/out more relaxant
B) More roc, shove the tube in
C) Sux, tube.
D) Other? (suga is not an option)
The discussion centered around whether or not to give sux after recent reversal agents.
What if he was a grade 3 intubation?
Basically heres the case: 40 yr old BMI 30ish, no pmh, big neck, lap chole (i think), was a grade 2 intubation per record. Pt was given roc and reversal given at the end of the case with one weak twitch. In the pacu he's desating on facemask and appeard floppy. DBS shows inadequate reversal. More reversal given (neo or edro, doesnt matter), still desating, now in low 80's. No bronchospasm, pneumo, significant atalectasis, a lot of upper airway obstruction even with nasal canula, shallow rapid breathing. 250 mcg fentanyl given in case, 6 mg neostigmine altogether. You decide to intubate him in the PACU. No glidescope, or other video airway device available.
Ok, so heres the question: Challenging airway, pacu intubation....do you in addition to an induction agent:
A) Intubate w/out more relaxant
B) More roc, shove the tube in
C) Sux, tube.
D) Other? (suga is not an option)
The discussion centered around whether or not to give sux after recent reversal agents.
What if he was a grade 3 intubation?
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