Partying too hard in med school?

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My friend is a first year at New York Medical College. He was telling me that some of the students party much harder there than in undergrad- more drinking, coke, etc...

I was wondering if people have heard this about other medical schools, and also just people's general thoughts.

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I've heard about people that have failed out of medical school because they partied to much.

In general though, many medical school students are very intelligent, but also have strong social skills. So they can get all their work done and still go out after exams to parties or bars.
 
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My friend is a first year at New York Medical College. He was telling me that some of the students party much harder there than in undergrad- more drinking, coke, etc...

I was wondering if people have heard this about other medical schools, and also just people's general thoughts.

We worked hard and we partied hard but nothing illegal. No one wanted to chance not being able to get a license. In the end, we graduated and headed into residency. The only "coke" that I ever saw at our parties was Coca-Cola (Classic and Diet).

As a practicing physician, I can't knowingly be any where near any illegal substances. It just isn't worth it. I can always have a cold beer or a nice Margarita as long as I am not driving.
 
My friend is a first year at New York Medical College. He was telling me that some of the students party much harder there than in undergrad- more drinking, coke, etc...

I was wondering if people have heard this about other medical schools, and also just people's general thoughts.

I believe it, I'm one of those people. I didn't do much during undergrad because I was constantly studying or doing something else school related. Now, I've realized I can do both and still do well. Plus, you get very stressed out and work pretty hard, so when a block or test is over it's only natural to want to let loose.

Did you just admit to snorting coke? 😀
 
I honestly think there is more time during the first two years of med school than most people realize (including most of my classmates). While I do not do anything illegal, I do spend a solid portion of my time not studying. Also, I know that many people in my class do not go out nearly as often as I do, and they tend to think that I party harder than I actually do.

The point: yes, people go out in medical school. Some go out frequently. However, unless your friend is one of those people, he may have a skewed idea of exactly how they party...
 
Are hard drugs really that prevalent at med school? I just find that hard to believe considering these are the people who will one day be in charge of other people's healths and lives.
 
Are hard drugs really that prevalent at med school? I just find that hard to believe considering these are the people who will one day be in charge of other people's healths and lives.
There's usually an ethical debate twice a month on alcohol, tobbacco, or drug use. Stick around young one and ye shall learn.
 
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Hard workers play harder.

I don't know about that. You see a lot of big talkers in med school, but honestly the parties are few and far between -- usually the weekends after major exams. And a lot of people still make it to the library when it opens the next day. The partying that goes on is pretty wimpy compared to what a lot of us observed in college.

You get a group of study nerds together for a few beers, and they talk about it like it was the rave of the century.

And no, you won't see a whole lot of illegal drug use in med school -- as njbmd mentioned, most people who have gotten that far down the road are smart enough not to throw it all away risking a license for a night of stupidity. A possession arrest can end your career and cost you many many thousands of dollars of wasted student loan debt. You'd have to be an idiot to put that at risk.
 
I don't know about that. You see a lot of big talkers in med school, but honestly the parties are few and far between -- usually the weekends after major exams. And a lot of people still make it to the library when it opens the next day. The partying that goes on is pretty wimpy compared to what a lot of us observed in college.

You get a group of study nerds together for a few beers, and they talk about it like it was the rave of the century.

And no, you won't see a whole lot of illegal drug use in med school -- as njbmd mentioned, most people who have gotten that far down the road are smart enough not to throw it all away risking a license for a night of stupidity. A possession arrest can end your career and cost you many many thousands of dollars of wasted student loan debt. You'd have to be an idiot to put that at risk.
Agreed. Even in undergrad this is true. I don't brag about going out because I know it is mild and that I'm not acting like a fool. The younger generation don't realize that people elevate their habits, good or bad.
 
You have to be responsible and smart.
Yeah, so if you go out for your birthday and drink your face off, get your friends to drive. Make sure you don't do anything stupid like drunkenly make out in a bar or vomit profusely in public places.
 
And no, you won't see a whole lot of illegal drug use in med school

This is an old study, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Newer studies show that healthcare professionals (doctors, nurses, etc.) have relatively similar usage patterns as the general public.

We surveyed random samples of 500 practicing physicians and 504 medical students in a New England state during 1984-1985; 70 percent of the physicians and 79 percent of the students responded. Fifty-nine percent of the physicians and 78 percent of the students reported that they had used psychoactive drugs at some time in their lives. In both groups, recreational use most often involved marijuana and cocaine, and self-treatment most often involved tranquilizers and opiates. In the previous year, 25 percent of the physicians had treated themselves with a psychoactive drug, and 10 percent had used one recreationally. Although most of the use was experimental or infrequent, 10 percent of the physicians reported current regular drug use (once a month or more often) and 3 percent had histories of drug dependence. More physicians and medical students had used psychoactive drugs at some time than had comparable samples of pharmacists and pharmacy students. The results suggest a need for renewed professional education about the risks of drug misuse.

McAuliffe WE, Rohman M, Santangelo S, Feldman B, Magnuson E, Sobol A, Weissman J. Psychoactive drug use among physicians and medical students. NEJM. 1986;315:805–810
 
Not to qualify it as acceptable because of one's age, but most of those trends were probably found in the younger population of physicians and medical students. I could see self-treatment among older physicians, but recreational drug use was probably lower than the younger generation. I wonder if the article specified specific age groups.
 
Not to qualify it as acceptable because of one's age, but most of those trends were probably found in the younger population of physicians and medical students. I could see self-treatment among older physicians, but recreational drug use was probably lower than the younger generation. I wonder if the article specified specific age groups.

Another article I was reading showed dramatic decrease in use as a function of increasing age.
 
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I guess that substantiates my hypothesis. I wanted to read the first article but my library's site is down and I don't know if we have access to NEJM anyway.

Yes. It's old, but I found it pretty interesting. I accessed it via PubMed, you may see if this link works for you:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3748091

As a side note: The more research I look up, the more I find this particular paper to be an anomaly. Most are showing decreased marijuana/cocaine use, but increased alcohol/prescription use.
 
This is an old study, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Newer studies show that healthcare professionals (doctors, nurses, etc.) have relatively similar usage patterns as the general public.

We surveyed random samples of 500 practicing physicians and 504 medical students in a New England state during 1984-1985; 70 percent of the physicians and 79 percent of the students responded. Fifty-nine percent of the physicians and 78 percent of the students reported that they had used psychoactive drugs at some time in their lives. In both groups, recreational use most often involved marijuana and cocaine, and self-treatment most often involved tranquilizers and opiates. In the previous year, 25 percent of the physicians had treated themselves with a psychoactive drug, and 10 percent had used one recreationally. Although most of the use was experimental or infrequent, 10 percent of the physicians reported current regular drug use (once a month or more often) and 3 percent had histories of drug dependence. More physicians and medical students had used psychoactive drugs at some time than had comparable samples of pharmacists and pharmacy students. The results suggest a need for renewed professional education about the risks of drug misuse.

McAuliffe WE, Rohman M, Santangelo S, Feldman B, Magnuson E, Sobol A, Weissman J. Psychoactive drug use among physicians and medical students. NEJM. 1986;315:805–810

It's the "at some time" that makes this study flawed. We are talking about folks who are using recreational drugs at parties IN MED SCHOOL. My suggestion was that folks tend not to be as stupid as to use stuff at parties once they get closer to having a license at risk, but probably were stupid as a 20 year old in college. Meaning you have to take a snapshot view of them during school, not a survey covering their entire life. You'd need to cite a study that doesn't use the qualification "at some time in their lives" to actually suggest that these folks have similar usage patterns. I suggest they don't. I do think that once folks get licensed, you see more abuse of prescription drugs in the medical profession, but that's a different question.
 
🙂In the previous year, 25 percent of the physicians had treated themselves with a psychoactive drug, and 10 percent had used one recreationally. Although most of the use was experimental or infrequent, 10 percent of the physicians reported current regular drug use (once a month or more often) and 3 percent had histories of drug dependence.🙂

I'm not sure how to use bold, but focus on the words "in the previous year". This doesn't refer to med students, but it does apply to your license theory.
 
I'm not sure how to use bold, but focus on the words "in the previous year". This doesn't refer to med students, but it does apply to your license theory.

That sentence talks about "self treatment" by physicians, not students, and also talks about psychoactive drugs (eg could be prescription) not necessarily recreational "street" drugs. I think some issues come up when folks have access to the pharmaceutical cabinets and prescriptions, with folks on the front line of these, like anesthesia, being more prone. I don't think this really addresses med students using coke at med school parties, which I suggest is going to be a quite rare event.
 
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