Pathologist Opportunities

[Patrickintl]

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Hi Everyone!

I'm Tom, and I am a recruiter.

I wanted to introduce myself, and let everyone know that I can be a resource for those of you who are about to finish your fellowships.

A client of ours is a leading healthcare diagnostics firm, with offices nationwide. They do help with relocating to the facilities they are staffing. Presently, Dallas Texas is the hotspot.


They are growing the following specialties:

Dermatopathology
Genitourinary Pathology
Gastrointestinal Pathology

This company does interview and hire those who are nearing the end of their fellowships, so I invite you to submit a CV. Our fees are paid by the client company, not you, so you can land the job of your dreams at no cost to you.

All CV's should be sent to me at [email protected]

My partner has a longstanding relationship with this client, which enables us to represent you, and overcome any issues with ease and speed.

I look forward to being of service.

Tom

Thomas Patrick Chuna, Owner
Patrick International
[email protected]

 

[pathstudent]

Great. A pod lab recruiter.

We will payback the finder fee the urologists put up a 1000 times over with them taking a huge cut off our professional component.

Hi Everyone!

I'm Tom, and I am a recruiter.

I wanted to introduce myself, and let everyone know that I can be a resource for those of you who are about to finish your fellowships.

A client of ours is a leading healthcare diagnostics firm, with offices nationwide. They do help with relocating to the facilities they are staffing. Presently, Dallas Texas is the hotspot.


They are growing the following specialties:

Dermatopathology
Genitourinary Pathology
Gastrointestinal Pathology

This company does interview and hire those who are nearing the end of their fellowships, so I invite you to submit a CV. Our fees are paid by the client company, not you, so you can land the job of your dreams at no cost to you.

All CV's should be sent to me at [email protected]

My partner has a longstanding relationship with this client, which enables us to represent you, and overcome any issues with ease and speed.

I look forward to being of service.

Tom

Thomas Patrick Chuna, Owner
Patrick International
[email protected]

 

[Parts Unknown]

Great. A pod lab recruiter.

I doubt many pod labs would be described as "a leading healthcare diagnostics firm, with offices nationwide." This sounds more like Quest/AmeriPath/LabCorps.

 

[Art]

Hi Everyone!

I'm Tom, and I am a recruiter.

I wanted to introduce myself, and let everyone know that I can be a resource for those of you who are about to finish your fellowships.

A client of ours is a leading healthcare diagnostics firm, with offices nationwide. They do help with relocating to the facilities they are staffing. Presently, Dallas Texas is the hotspot.


They are growing the following specialties:

Dermatopathology
Genitourinary Pathology
Gastrointestinal Pathology

This company does interview and hire those who are nearing the end of their fellowships, so I invite you to submit a CV. Our fees are paid by the client company, not you, so you can land the job of your dreams at no cost to you.

All CV's should be sent to me at [email protected]

My partner has a longstanding relationship with this client, which enables us to represent you, and overcome any issues with ease and speed.

I look forward to being of service.

Tom

Thomas Patrick Chuna, Owner
Patrick International
[email protected]

How can this possibly be true? Everyone knows that jobs do not exist in pathology, yet here is someone coming to actually recruit pathologists.

We need one of our posters to find out the income of this group and post it for all of us to see, because knowing the income will be the best information to help us decide if this is a good opportunity or not. Will someone please log on to guidestar website?

 

[Thrombus]

How can this possibly be true? Everyone knows that jobs do not exist in pathology, yet here is someone coming to actually recruit pathologists.

We need one of our posters to find out the income of this group and post it for all of us to see, because knowing the income will be the best information to help us decide if this is a good opportunity or not. Will someone please log on to guidestar website?

Yeah this opportunity is so great it pays pennies on the dollar for your work! You have next to zero autonomy and will report to your supervisor who studied at State U. for 7 years in obtaining his degree in sociology.

If you work 10 hour days (and do not move from your microscope but for 30 second bathroom breaks -- twice a day), you may get a 4 figure bonus for Christmas. Meanwhile, you can take away some other pathology groups' hard-earned money by delivering an awesome unethical kickback to their local GI, GU or Derm group that will enhance those clinician's income.

Best of luck!

 

[pathstudent]

Yeah this opportunity is so great it pays pennies on the dollar for your work! You have next to zero autonomy and will report to your supervisor who studied at State U. for 7 years in obtaining his degree in sociology.

If you work 10 hour days (and do not move from your microscope but for 30 second bathroom breaks -- twice a day), you may get a 4 figure bonus for Christmas. Meanwhile, you can take away some other pathology groups' hard-earned money by delivering an awesome unethical kickback to their local GI, GU or Derm group that will enhance those clinician's income.

Best of luck!

Totally agree with Thrombus on this one.

 

[2121115]

With all the negative job posts on this board, he probably thought he could come take advantage of some scared residents/fellows. LOL. Nice try man.

 

[path19]

I doubt many pod labs would be described as "a leading healthcare diagnostics firm, with offices nationwide." This sounds more like Quest/AmeriPath/LabCorps.

Smells like Caris to me...I believe they're based in or near the Dallas area.

 

[sohsie]

I have no idea how Thrombus and Pathstudent have jumped to the conclusion that this guy must be recruiting for pod labs?!?!? Because he is a recruiter 😕 ???

I agree with Path19 that he probably is hinting at Caris. When I was looking for work, a couple of recruiters tried to steer me in their direction, but I wasnt interested in moving from where I am. My impression was that the recruiters didnt really have much that I couldnt find on my own already. I never got steered to a poblab though

(I did get an Email from a podlab who was looking for a "part time" pathologist that made the rounds. They were definitely looking for the cheapest pathologist they could find so they could keep as much money to themselves as possible).

 

[pathstudent]

I have no idea how Thrombus and Pathstudent have jumped to the conclusion that this guy must be recruiting for pod labs?!?!? Because he is a recruiter 😕 ???

I agree with Path19 that he probably is hinting at Caris. When I was looking for work, a couple of recruiters tried to steer me in their direction, but I wasnt interested in moving from where I am. My impression was that the recruiters didnt really have much that I couldnt find on my own already. I never got steered to a poblab though

(I did get an Email from a podlab who was looking for a "part time" pathologist that made the rounds. They were definitely looking for the cheapest pathologist they could find so they could keep as much money to themselves as possible).

Even if they are Caris, Ameripath, or other large lab, I agree with Thrombus that you will be getting paid a small fraction of your earned professional component, while working under a corporate environment, while your MBA boss makes twice your salary and is doing your wife or husband at lunch while you sign-out 20 trays of GI biopsies.

 

[Thrombus]

Even if they are Caris, Ameripath, or other large lab, I agree with Thrombus that you will be getting paid a small fraction of your earned professional component, while working under a corporate environment, while your MBA boss makes twice your salary and is doing your wife or husband at lunch while you sign-out 20 trays of GI biopsies.

Not to mention they cherry pick the bread and butter cases for private groups who get stuck doing a disproportionate amount of time-consuming work.

End result == even fewer good jobs in an already oversaturated field.

 

[Thrombus]

I have no idea how Thrombus and Pathstudent have jumped to the conclusion that this guy must be recruiting for pod labs?!?!? Because he is a recruiter 😕 ???

I agree with Path19 that he probably is hinting at Caris. When I was looking for work, a couple of recruiters tried to steer me in their direction, but I wasnt interested in moving from where I am. My impression was that the recruiters didnt really have much that I couldnt find on my own already. I never got steered to a poblab though

(I did get an Email from a podlab who was looking for a "part time" pathologist that made the rounds. They were definitely looking for the cheapest pathologist they could find so they could keep as much money to themselves as possible).

Where did I say anything about a podlab? Again, the comprehension on these boards is way less than desired.

 

[green mantis]

Does the recruiter realize that people who have done dermpath or GI path fellowship have plenty of job opportunities? It's those of us w/ fellowship in other areas that are having trouble finding positions.


----- Antony

 

[2121115]

Does the recruiter realize that people who have done dermpath or GI path fellowship have plenty of job opportunities? It's those of us w/ fellowship in other areas that are having trouble finding positions.


----- Antony

I don't know any fellows with strong general residency training and strong fellowship training in hematopathology or cytopathology that are having trouble finding jobs either.

 

[path24]

I don't know any fellows with strong general residency training and strong fellowship training in hematopathology or cytopathology that are having trouble finding jobs either.

I know of a couple unemployed cytopaths. No hemepaths.

 

[Parts Unknown]

Smells like Caris to me...I believe they're based in or near the Dallas area.

Caris is indeed near Dallas, and draws heavily from UTSW. I was talking to a UTSW resident a couple years back who said that Caris actually pays a ton of money, but they are pretty high volume. Probably not a bad deal if it suits you.

 

[2121115]

Caris is indeed near Dallas, and draws heavily from UTSW. I was talking to a UTSW resident a couple years back who said that Caris actually pays a ton of money, but they are pretty high volume. Probably not a bad deal if it suits you.

I saw an ad on Merritt Hawkins for Caris in Dallas. Starting at 250k and then up to 400k after a time.

 

[mcfaddens]

Even if they are Caris, Ameripath, or other large lab, I agree with Thrombus that you will be getting paid a small fraction of your earned professional component, while working under a corporate environment, while your MBA boss makes twice your salary and is doing your wife or husband at lunch while you sign-out 20 trays of GI biopsies.

Thank you I just figured out that MBA means Mostly Boobs but likes to get it in the A$* too

 

[lipomas]

I saw an ad on Merritt Hawkins for Caris in Dallas. Starting at 250k and then up to 400k after a time.

Funny enough, that's kind of typical for many private practice paths. There are many who make more though (not starting though). The Caris paycheck is probably pretty decent for a job with no call and only having to do one type of specimen. I know it's not making what you are actually billing for though. And it's unfortunate that that money (the easy money, so to speak, or low hanging fruit) is being taken away from private practice paths who work harder, have to cover more things, and don't get paid for any of that.

I'm not sure I'd call a Caris job the job of my dreams. It's a job where you are working for someone else and they profit off your work. That might be some people's dream job, but not most. It's also nice how Caris takes business away from private paths by giving kickbacks of various sorts to clinicians. Maybe not direct money, because THAT would be illegal (supposedly).

 

[pathstudent]

even though these are probably crap jobs where you are an employee working in a cubicle, it is slightly hypocritical of people to say there are no jobs in pathology when this guy is saying there are tons of them.

In any case, one of the the bright sides to a future of nationalized healthcare is that all these ****ers will be gone, and we will get to be dignified pathologists again.

 

[2121115]

In any case, one of the the bright sides to a future of nationalized healthcare is that all these ****ers will be gone, and we will get to be dignified pathologists again.

There is certainly something to be said for that.

 

[Parts Unknown]

In any case, one of the the bright sides to a future of nationalized healthcare

Nationalized? With the exception of a modest expansion of Medicaid, the proposed future is one of even more corporatized healthcare. Yes, they are going to ban recission and eliminate exclusion for pre-existing conditions, but the meat of the bills will be a bonanza for private insurers. What else would you call millions of new customers buying private insurance with government subsidies?

The Senate bill even allows private insurers to sell their products across state lines, which has been a Conservative talking point for years.

 

[pathstudent]

Nationalized? With the exception of a modest expansion of Medicaid, the proposed future is one of even more corporatized healthcare. Yes, they are going to ban recission and eliminate exclusion for pre-existing conditions, but the meat of the bills will be a bonanza for private insurers. What else would you call millions of new customers buying private insurance with government subsidies?

The Senate bill even allows private insurers to sell their products across state lines, which has been a Conservative talking point for years.

I mean eventually.

 

[rollwithit]

In any case, one of the the bright sides to a future of nationalized healthcare is that all these ****ers will be gone, and we will get to be dignified pathologists again.

Can you expand a little on that? How would nationalized healthcare allow pathology to become dignified again? Not disagreeing - just want a little more on your thoughts than just the one sentence.

 

[pathstudent]

Can you expand a little on that? How would nationalized healthcare allow pathology to become dignified again? Not disagreeing - just want a little more on your thoughts than just the one sentence.

It will remove all these outside entities from trying to skim the cream of pathology and it will prevent pathologists from agreeing to sign out prostate biopsies for one quarter of what Medicare pays and giving the rest to the urologist who did the biopsy. Can you believe that. We live in a works where urologists make far more off pathology interpretation than th pathologist. We need to find out all the pathologists who agree to tale these jobs and blacklist them so that when their labs fall apart all of academia and all of private practice tells them to f off

 

[rollwithit]

It will remove all these outside entities from trying to skim the cream of pathology and it will prevent pathologists from agreeing to sign out prostate biopsies for one quarter of what Medicare pays and giving the rest to the urologist who did the biopsy. Can you believe that. We live in a works where urologists make far more off pathology interpretation than th pathologist. We need to find out all the pathologists who agree to tale these jobs and blacklist them so that when their labs fall apart all of academia and all of private practice tells them to f off

Fair, I suppose. I guess it just depends it how "nationalized" the healthcare system becomes since that's a loosely utilized term. But, don't you think it could be just as likely that pathologists will remain working for "the man" under a nationalized system similar to the way it is now? Just shift "the man" from shady contractual arrangements and "corporate-like" mega labs to a large governmental agency. Pathologists could just as likely be manipulated and taken advantage of in a nationalized medicine environment as they are now. Worst case scenario, Pathologists all become employees of the U.S Government whereby they basically do the same thing they would if they were to work for a pod lab - high volume/very specialized. If you are the federal government, wouldn't that be the most cost effective way of managing pathology on a large scale?

There can be evils and manipulations of the trade in any system. Ultimately, it's up to the Pathologists to protect themselves to provide an environment best for the patient and for the continuation of the profession. I'd say it wouldn't be a wise idea to wait for the government to swoop in a fix things. They could easily make things worse.

 

[pathstudent]

Worst case scenario, Pathologists all become employees of the U.S Government whereby they basically do the same thing they would if they were to work for a pod lab - high volume/very specialized. If you are the federal government, wouldn't that be the most cost effective way of managing pathology on a large scale?

There can be evils and manipulations of the trade in any system. Ultimately, it's up to the Pathologists to protect themselves to provide an environment best for the patient and for the continuation of the profession. I'd say it wouldn't be a wise idea to wait for the government to swoop in a fix things. They could easily make things worse.

No I don't think we would work harder, we would have no incentive to work hard so we would chill out a lot more. We could clock in at 9, clock out 5 and get time and half if we went beyond that.

We could be like DMV workers or Transportation workers and just decide to not come in if we didn't feel like it. Plus we would get more holidays off.

 

[rollwithit]

No I don't think we would work harder, we would have no incentive to work hard so we would chill out a lot more. We could clock in at 9, clock out 5 and get time and half if we went beyond that.

We could be like DMV workers or Transportation workers and just decide to not come in if we didn't feel like it. Plus we would get more holidays off.

Clearly dignified.

 

[2121115]

Clearly dignified.

Touche.

 

[Gyric]

There can be evils and manipulations of the trade in any system. Ultimately, it's up to the Pathologists to protect themselves to provide an environment best for the patient and for the continuation of the profession. I'd say it wouldn't be a wise idea to wait for the government to swoop in a fix things. They could easily make things worse.

I think the answer is through the ABP, we just need new leadership that appreciates their role in protecting the public and the specialty.

Couldn't the ABP declare that certain work arrangements are unprofessional and that a pathologist engaging in such activities will not be eligible for recertification (professionalism is one of the core competencies that must be demonstrated and I think it is relatively easy to spot these pod-labs and inappropriate CJVs). These pathologist can still practice, but the public should recognize that there is a difference and choose their urologist/pathologist etc, accordingly. As insurers, state medical boards, etc, start to require evidence of MOC, more pathologists would be subject to this distinction.

Also, the ABP could add an oral exam for general AP certification (some practices are essentially filling this need with a slide test); this could weed out the incompetent and those with poor communication skills that presumably are taking these jobs in the first place ... maybe someday board certification will mean something.

 

[lipomas]

"Unprofessional" does not mean "illegal." And if it's only unfair then why should anyone really do anything about it? This is capitalism. Entrepreneurship, all that. I'm not saying I think it's appropriate but as a pathologist, I want the best for my career and my profession. Other clinicians want the best for themselves and their profession. Why can't health care providers by employees who are paid a salary just like every other profession? I mean obviously this is not ideal and it is a shame and reprehensible that other clinicians treat pathologists like this, but it is not illegal nor it is technically that unethical. It's just sleazy. It is OK in this country to be sleazy in your business dealings, provided that you are not doing anything illegal and you make money for whoever you are trying to make money for.

Isn't there supposed to be an ESL test or something or that sort (kind of like step II or step III) that is supposed to weed out those who can't communicate? These tests don't really do a great job of getting rid of some people. Why would a pathology-administered test be any different?

People on this forum are very long on supposition, splitting into black vs white categories, and jumping to conclusions and very short on actual reason and logic. The real world runs by reason and logic, with some sleaze thrown in. You can't just hope that these things are going to go away or get legislated away. And there is no way in hell that reducing residency spots is going to magically make these things go away either.

 

[BrainPathology]

"Unprofessional" does not mean "illegal." And if it's only unfair then why should anyone really do anything about it? This is capitalism. Entrepreneurship, all that. I'm not saying I think it's appropriate but as a pathologist, I want the best for my career and my profession. Other clinicians want the best for themselves and their profession. Why can't health care providers by employees who are paid a salary just like every other profession? I mean obviously this is not ideal and it is a shame and reprehensible that other clinicians treat pathologists like this, but it is not illegal nor it is technically that unethical. It's just sleazy. It is OK in this country to be sleazy in your business dealings, provided that you are not doing anything illegal and you make money for whoever you are trying to make money for.

Isn't there supposed to be an ESL test or something or that sort (kind of like step II or step III) that is supposed to weed out those who can't communicate? These tests don't really do a great job of getting rid of some people. Why would a pathology-administered test be any different?

People on this forum are very long on supposition, splitting into black vs white categories, and jumping to conclusions and very short on actual reason and logic. The real world runs by reason and logic, with some sleaze thrown in. You can't just hope that these things are going to go away or get legislated away. And there is no way in hell that reducing residency spots is going to magically make these things go away either.

It seems like the MOC process could help weed out these types of jobs to an extent. It would depend on how hard the exams are ( it looks like there are going to be 150 questions for each of AP/CP and subspecialty). But it would be interesting to see if the exam was hard enough to basically make it impossible to recertify if you don't have some exposure throughout your career to work in of the boards you hold. The problem would be that not only could you not really do one specialty pod lab type jobs but also the single organ specialists in universities would have to change as well (which I don't really think is a bad thing).

Personally I think the MOC exam should be as difficult and comprehensive as possible while still being modern. Some of the questions on the initial exams are the equivalent of testing a modern soldier on how to best pack gunpowder in a muzzle or the optimal way to sharpen a bayonet.

 

[Path or bust]

I don't think the MOC was intended to fulfill personal agendas.

It seems like the MOC process could help weed out these types of jobs to an extent. It would depend on how hard the exams are ( it looks like there are going to be 150 questions for each of AP/CP and subspecialty). But it would be interesting to see if the exam was hard enough to basically make it impossible to recertify if you don't have some exposure throughout your career to work in of the boards you hold. The problem would be that not only could you not really do one specialty pod lab type jobs but also the single organ specialists in universities would have to change as well (which I don't really think is a bad thing).

Personally I think the MOC exam should be as difficult and comprehensive as possible while still being modern. Some of the questions on the initial exams are the equivalent of testing a modern soldier on how to best pack gunpowder in a muzzle or the optimal way to sharpen a bayonet.

 

[BrainPathology]

I don't think the MOC was intended to fulfill personal agendas.

Have you taken the exam yet? Some of the questions on there can only be there to fullfil historical interest that must somehow stroke the ego of some of the members.

But you're right. Since I'm clearly the only patholgist in the entire country who thinks pod lab jobs are a possible threat to the profession (especially neuropathology-which has been decimated due to a legion of neuropath pod labs in outpatient neurosurgery mills), gearing the exam to help make them less practical would definitely be a bow to my own unique personal agenda.

 

[Path or bust]

Oh I am in complete agreement with you about pod labs being horrible and something that we need to work at to eliminate. But I don't understand how making our tests (and lives) harder will give us any gain on said task. I too would like to think that the "worst" pathologists are working in these labs and we could eliminate them with a test, but that does not seem to be the case. Pathology doesn't need more problems.

Have you taken the exam yet? Some of the questions on there can only be there to fullfil historical interest that must somehow stroke the ego of some of the members.

But you're right. Since I'm clearly the only patholgist in the entire country who thinks pod lab jobs are a possible threat to the profession (especially neuropathology-which has been decimated due to a legion of neuropath pod labs in outpatient neurosurgery mills), gearing the exam to help make them less practical would definitely be a bow to my own unique personal agenda.