Pathology Salaries...Let's end this

[pathER]

I'm sorry. Very sorry. But I have to post this because it is driving me insane. I am about to be a third year and I am shifting back and forth between path and a couple of other fields. I really really like the idea of a career in pathology, but all this talk about crappy, no, insulting salaries is scaring me. I don't want to spend another four years +1yr fellowship and make less than a FP. Could someone in residency, or preferably someone in practice, please provide realistic starting salaries for various regions.

This link looks reasonable to me, more so than 120K at 80hrs a week:

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000087.html

Again, I'm sorry for sparking needless debate.

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[MacGyver]

I'm sorry. Very sorry. But I have to post this because it is driving me insane. I am about to be a third year and I am shifting back and forth between path and a couple of other fields. I really really like the idea of a career in pathology, but all this talk about crappy, no, insulting salaries is scaring me. I don't want to spend another four years +1yr fellowship and make less than a FP. Could someone in residency, or preferably someone in practice, please provide realistic starting salaries for various regions.

This link looks reasonable to me, more so than 120K at 80hrs a week:

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000087.html

Again, I'm sorry for sparking needless debate.

My guess is that survey does not account for malpractice insurance. All the other surveys I've seen show path salaries in the 100s, not the 200s

 

[drPLUM]

My guess is that survey does not account for malpractice insurance. All the other surveys I've seen show path salaries in the 100s, not the 200s

The JOBS thread at the top of the page is really good and lists starting (i.e. non-partner, entry level) pay for pathologists and there are many that start in the upper 100's.

In a nutshell, there are plenty of fields that pay better than pathology and plenty that pay worse. I don't think many pathologists are having trouble making ends meet (if you know what I mean ) but there are fields like interventional rads and cardiology that make much more bank. I'm not one of these "don't consider money when choosing a specialty" people (because lets be honest, we all think about it) but I believe that enjoying what you do every day is worth a lot of money.

 

[pathdawg]

I'm sorry. Very sorry. But I have to post this because it is driving me insane. I am about to be a third year and I am shifting back and forth between path and a couple of other fields. I really really like the idea of a career in pathology, but all this talk about crappy, no, insulting salaries is scaring me. I don't want to spend another four years +1yr fellowship and make less than a FP. Could someone in residency, or preferably someone in practice, please provide realistic starting salaries for various regions.

This link looks reasonable to me, more so than 120K at 80hrs a week:

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000087.html

Again, I'm sorry for sparking needless debate.

In my opinion, pathologists across the board (especially in the northeatern part of the counrty) are grossly underpaid. With that said, I absolutely guarantee that as a pathologist, you'll make significantly more than an FP.

 

[LADoc00]

In my opinion, pathologists across the board (especially in the northeatern part of the counrty) are grossly underpaid. With that said, I absolutely guarantee that as a pathologist, you'll make significantly more than an FP.

I feel my skill set would command roughly 500K per annum in a free market economy. Because of the creep of international Marxism and doctrine of entitlement, I am paid less than this fair market figure. I blame liberals for this and so should you.

 

[pathdawg]

I feel my skill set would command roughly 500K per annum in a free market economy. Because of the creep of international Marxism and doctrine of entitlement, I am paid less than this fair market figure. I blame liberals for this and so should you.

Funny, I agree with the basic premise, but I blame right-wing conservatives (and their tied-to-the-hip bff's, big business). We are underpaid because third party payers (i.e. insurance companies aka big business) cheat us out of billions every year. They speak of "cost containment" in medicine, yet they work in lavish offices and command millions in bonus money. The only thing they are containing is our due income stuffed in their mattresses. The heinous crap that goes on under our collectives noses in appalling. All you need to know is that Medicare, once seen as near charity, is our best payer. Insurance companies give us, say 80% of medicare rates and then sit back and laugh their asses off. Liberals? Please. They couldn't organize a picnic now if they had to. Republicans give great lip service to doctors come election time. Then they sip cognac with Insurance and Drug Company executives while they pay them back for all of those campaign contributions. Those pay backs are in the form of crazy tax breaks and the promise of no federal oversight for their evil doings.

 

[akaz]

Even if you do derm and it is purely academic 80/20 Research /clinical, your salary is going to be much lower than other specialities. Pathology has that academic flair to it. Hence, academic salaries often go with it.

 

[pathdawg]

Even if you do derm and it is purely academic 80/20 Research /clinical, your salary is going to be much lower than other specialities. Pathology has that academic flair to it. Hence, academic salaries often go with it.

Academic flair? Most pathologists are in private practice and have nothing to do with academia. Their salaries are not affected by academia or a perceived "academic flair". The economic forces driving the field are far more complicated than that.

 

[akaz]

Academic flair? Most pathologists are in private practice and have nothing to do with academia. Their salaries are not affected by academia or a perceived "academic flair". The economic forces driving the field are far more complicated than that.

I will note that. Maybe derm is for me.

 

[LADoc00]

Funny, I agree with the basic premise, but I blame right-wing conservatives (and their tied-to-the-hip bff's, big business). We are underpaid because third party payers (i.e. insurance companies aka big business) cheat us out of billions every year. They speak of "cost containment" in medicine, yet they work in lavish offices and command millions in bonus money. The only thing they are containing is our due income stuffed in their mattresses. The heinous crap that goes on under our collectives noses in appalling. All you need to know is that Medicare, once seen as near charity, is our best payer. Insurance companies give us, say 80% of medicare rates and then sit back and laugh their asses off. Liberals? Please. They couldn't organize a picnic now if they had to. Republicans give great lip service to doctors come election time. Then they sip cognac with Insurance and Drug Company executives while they pay them back for all of those campaign contributions. Those pay backs are in the form of crazy tax breaks and the promise of no federal oversight for their evil doings.

Pathdawg, you arent seeing the big picture. Insurance companies very existence is tied the liberal ideals of entitlement and job related benefits for their precious proletariat. Im not saying repubs are better as many so-called repubs are nothing more than Marxists in thousand dollar suits, BUT I lay this crisis firmly at the door of the international Socialist conspiracy.

The liberal solution is to create a single payer model of medical economics. This is direct rip off of Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto and centralization of monetary control for goods and service by the state. In such a system, WE are reduced to the proletriat and not the burgeoisis/burgher status our skill set should command.

The very act of federal/state legalization DISALLOWED physicians from controlling big insurance companies. Did you know Blue Cross was actually founded by MDs from the California Medical Association?! How many of you knew that!

But corrupt Marxist judges and attorneys said this was a "conflict of interest" (Or we were too powerful) and forced the doctors to sell off isurance control at pennies on the dollar so they and their cronies could re-establish their Leninist dreams. All in the name of better patient care mind you!

Free market and reduction of government control SHALL re-establish the glory of medicine.

~Everyone say a prayer for the coming of the Second Confederacy.

 

[NittanyLion302]

The liberal solution is to create a single payer model of medical economics. This is direct rip off of Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto and centralization of monetary control for goods and service by the state. In such a system, WE are reduced to the proletriat and not the burgeoisis/burgher status our skill set should command.

not to be rude, LADoc, but to me it seems the conservative "solution" is just to let big buisiness (HMOs/Insurance companies) collude without any regulation to lower the salaries paid to doctors, rather than the liberal "solution" of letting the government regulate medicine and lower doctors salaries. Neither sounds too appealing

Maybe in a true free market this wouldn't happen, but I'm not exactly sure how.

 

[mcfaddens]

yes in this job we call path one can make less than a PA and one can make 1million + a year, so what! You want to make the big cash in this business you have to be in the right location and at the right time and kiss the right ass. Its that simple, there is no guarantee on what your gonna make. so stop worring about it

 

[LADoc00]

not to be rude, LADoc, but to me it seems the conservative "solution" is just to let big buisiness (HMOs/Insurance companies) collude without any regulation to lower the salaries paid to doctors, rather than the liberal "solution" of letting the government regulate medicine and lower doctors salaries. Neither sounds too appealing

Maybe in a true free market this wouldn't happen, but I'm not exactly sure how.

People dont realize big business uses Marxist doctrine of governmental regulation against the small business owner/individual physician. Niether political party currently represents us or the middle class in general. The repubs champion the wealthy capitalists and the Demos have their lower classes. Both are ****** of the big attorney firms and the overpowered judiciary.

Our current government structure is incompatiable with individual rights and must be abolished.

 

[akaz]

People dont realize big business uses Marxist doctrine of governmental regulation against the small business owner/individual physician. Niether political party currently represents us or the middle class in general. The repubs champion the wealthy capitalists and the Demos have their lower classes. Both are ****** of the big attorney firms and the overpowered judiciary.

Our current government structure is incompatiable with individual rights and must be abolished.

I thinl I am going into derm. The people there are motivated and awesome. This as colleagues makes me nervous.

 

[NittanyLion302]

In my opinion, pathologists across the board (especially in the northeatern part of the counrty) are grossly underpaid.

are there places where this isn't the case? Like In the Southeast or Midwest? West Coast? Southwest? Drrty Souf?

 

[LADoc00]

I will note that. Maybe derm is for me.

Akaz...
you wrote on another forum:

I wish you weren't in pathology. No wonder it is not a respectable professional with people like you in it. The losers of the medical school class.

I hope no one in medicine gives you a home. You are an utter disgrace and that is actually rare. Bashing an entire field of science which for so long as acted so selflessly.

Was Galen a loser when he first described the correlation between anatomy, physiology and disease? Was Virchow a loser when he described Galen's observations at the cellular level?

Are all of us here losers to you? Why? Just because you are so small, so insecure and so pitiful. I pity you Akaz as all of us should. You are wandering listlessly in a profession you dont understand in a world that obviously scares you.

Another great Akaz quote:

Americans can be very arrogant, ethnocentric, egotistical fanatics

You hate Americans so much. Dont worry though, you arent one us. Step away from the keyboard and find yourself. Find what things you value in life. Spend time with your family and less time masturbating in dark closets. Life has so much to offer you Akaz, it is actually quite wonderful.

Credula vitam spes fovet et melius cras fore semper dicit

 

[akaz]

Go AWAY and Have fun!

Akaz...
you wrote on another forum:


I hope no one in medicine gives you a home. You are an utter disgrace and that is actually rare. Bashing an entire field of science which for so long as acted so selflessly.

Was Galen a loser when he first described the correlation between anatomy, physiology and disease? Was Virchow a loser when he described Galen's observations at the cellular level?

Are all of us here losers to you? Why? Just because you are so small, so insecure and so pitiful. I pity you Akaz as all of us should. You are wandering listlessly in a profession you dont understand in a world that obviously scares you.

Another great Akaz quote:


You hate Americans so much. Dont worry though, you arent one us. Step away from the keyboard and find yourself. Find what things you value in life. Spend time with your family and less time masturbating in dark closets. Life has so much to offer you Akaz, it is actually quite wonderful.

Credula vitam spes fovet et melius cras fore semper dicit

 

[LADoc00]

Go AWAY and Have fun!

Ah, such a little child, devoid of reason and thought, thinking only of the next time you can pleasure yourself or stuff your face. For shame, this country has failed so many.

 

[akaz]

Ah, such a little child, devoid of reason and thought, thinking only of the next time you can pleasure yourself or stuff your face. For shame, this country has failed so many.

For whatever Galen, Welch, and Flexner were, you are not. Go on with your life and good luck.

 

[pathdawg]

Pathdawg, you arent seeing the big picture. Insurance companies very existence is tied the liberal ideals of entitlement and job related benefits for their precious proletariat. Im not saying repubs are better as many so-called repubs are nothing more than Marxists in thousand dollar suits, BUT I lay this crisis firmly at the door of the international Socialist conspiracy.

The liberal solution is to create a single payer model of medical economics. This is direct rip off of Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto and centralization of monetary control for goods and service by the state. In such a system, WE are reduced to the proletriat and not the burgeoisis/burgher status our skill set should command.

The very act of federal/state legalization DISALLOWED physicians from controlling big insurance companies. Did you know Blue Cross was actually founded by MDs from the California Medical Association?! How many of you knew that!

But corrupt Marxist judges and attorneys said this was a "conflict of interest" (Or we were too powerful) and forced the doctors to sell off isurance control at pennies on the dollar so they and their cronies could re-establish their Leninist dreams. All in the name of better patient care mind you!

Free market and reduction of government control SHALL re-establish the glory of medicine.

~Everyone say a prayer for the coming of the Second Confederacy.

In general, I get a kick out of how conservatives can spin every argument, even the issues where they are clearly at fault, as part of some evil leftist liberal conspiracy. This practice has made Ann Coulter a very rich hypocritical right-wing single professional urbanite living a liberals dream life. So, let me get this straight. Even when Bush's close friends (the Ken Lay's of the world, for instance, not to mention the fine folks at BCBS, Aetna/USHealthcare, and Phizer) make boatloads of money by wontonly ruining other people's lives, it is somehow the fault of the "liberal Marxist agenda". Wow. The mental gynastics needed to come up with that one belongs in Cirque du Soleil.

Must be nice being a conservative. No matter what evil crap you want to subject the world to in order to meet you own selfish needs, its always the left's fault. Nice.

 

[LADoc00]

In general, I get a kick out of how conservatives can spin every argument, even the issues where they are clearly at fault, as part of some evil leftist liberal conspiracy. This practice has made Ann Coulter a very rich hypocritical right-wing single professional urbanite living a liberals dream life. So, let me get this straight. Even when Bush's close friends (the Ken Lay's of the world, for instance, not to mention the fine folks at BCBS, Aetna/USHealthcare, and Phizer) make boatloads of money by wontonly ruining other people's lives, it is somehow the fault of the "liberal Marxist agenda". Wow. The mental gynastics needed to come up with that one belongs in Cirque du Soleil.

Must be nice being a conservative. No matter what evil crap you want to subject the world to in order to meet you own selfish needs, its always the left's fault. Nice.

Pathdawg! Bush is a Marxist through and through. What happened when the Bush Supreme Court appointees heard the recent case of imminent domain and government siezure of private property? Of course, they sided with the government, effectively deconstructing the bedrock principles of personal property laid forth by the Continental Congress!! The Supreme Court is treasonous, no doubt. Why are Muslims whos only crime was being the wrong place at the wrong time languishing in GitMo Prison in Cuba while supposedly educated men and women in black robes slowly abolish individual rights and profane the Constitution?!

 

[akaz]

Pathdawg! Bush is a Marxist through and through. What happened when the Bush Supreme Court appointees heard the recent case of imminent domain and government siezure of private property? Of course, they sided with the government, effectively deconstructing the bedrock principles of personal property laid forth by the Continental Congress!! The Supreme Court is treasonous, no doubt. Why are Muslims whos only crime was being the wrong place at the wrong time languishing in GitMo Prison in Cuba while supposedly educated men and women in black robes slowly abolish individual rights and profane the Constitution?!

I think conservative isn't appropriate label for this insanity. I think libertarian, anarchist, militia man is better. I am from the midwest. I know you guys instantly when I hear a militia man.

 

[LADoc00]

I think conservative isn't appropriate label for this insanity. I think libertarian, anarchist, militia man is better. I am from the midwest. I know you guys instantly when I hear a militia man.

Conservatism has no political meaning to me. Soviet and Chinese style Communists can be very socially conservative. Edmund Burke's invention of conservatism as the "goal of change being less important than the insistence that change be effected with a respect for the rule of law and traditions of society" doesnt take into any of the principles of individual liberty, respect for personal AND intellectual property as well as free market.

I most certainly am not anarchist and have never met a militia man in my life. You are talking to a San Franciscan-type metrosexual who smokes a 500 dollar Italian estate pipe (Amorelli, don Carlos anyone?) while sipping a Stag's Leap Cab blend and pouring through the original German text of Spengler's Decline of the West.

You might even call me gay were not for the 20 year old blonde who lounges around my place in her panties. Yes, I lead a somewhat boring life often debating politics at bars and coffee houses in a one-sided fashion because not even most physicians have read Marx, Engels, Spengler, Sun Tzu, Musashi, Che, Tito, Hitler and the like.

 

[Path Mama]

Don't shoot me! This is my first post.

For what it's worth, just adding my anectodotal experience with the job search this year. Among the job offers that we received (we're all just finishing fellowship training in non-derm area) in Washington State, Virginia, Michigan, North Carolina, and South Carolina, our starting salaries for private practice, partnership-track ranged from 180K to 210K, with partner salary quoted as 300K to 500K.

 

[1Path]

This practice has made Ann Coulter a very rich hypocritical right-wing single professional urbanite living a liberals dream life.

You left out mean spiritied untraconservative bitch from your description.

 

[akaz]

Go to MGH's pyshdept. You need it baby!

Conservatism has no political meaning to me. Soviet and Chinese style Communists can be very socially conservative. Edmund Burke's invention of conservatism as the "goal of change being less important than the insistence that change be effected with a respect for the rule of law and traditions of society" doesnt take into any of the principles of individual liberty, respect for personal AND intellectual property as well as free market.

I most certainly am not anarchist and have never met a militia man in my life. You are talking to a San Franciscan-type metrosexual who smokes a 500 dollar Italian estate pipe (Amorelli, don Carlos anyone?) while sipping a Stag's Leap Cab blend and pouring through the original German text of Spengler's Decline of the West.

You might even call me gay were not for the 20 year old blonde who lounges around my place in her panties. Yes, I lead a somewhat boring life often debating politics at bars and coffee houses in a one-sided fashion because not even most physicians have read Marx, Engels, Spengler, Sun Tzu, Musashi, Che, Tito, Hitler and the like.

 

[NittanyLion302]

Among the job offers that we received (we're all just finishing fellowship training in non-derm area) in Washington State, Virginia, Michigan, North Carolina, and South Carolina, our starting salaries for private practice, partnership-track ranged from 180K to 210K, with partner salary quoted as 300K to 500K.

see LADoc, you will get your 500k, it may just take a while

 

[pathdawg]

Don't shoot me! This is my first post.

For what it's worth, just adding my anectodotal experience with the job search this year. Among the job offers that we received (we're all just finishing fellowship training in non-derm area) in Washington State, Virginia, Michigan, North Carolina, and South Carolina, our starting salaries for private practice, partnership-track ranged from 180K to 210K, with partner salary quoted as 300K to 500K.

That sounds about right to me. I would also point out that partnership-type positions are more or less unheard of in urban areas in the Northeast (Philadelphia, NYC, Boston). Also, starting salaries in these areas are also slightly lower than what you quoted.

Also, remember that when someone quotes you a "partner salary", there is absolutely no guarantee of being made a partner. Many, many groups will dangle the partnership carrot without ever actually intending to offer it when the time comes. Sad but true. I have seen it happen time and time again.

 

[pathdawg]

You left out mean spiritied untraconservative bitch from your description.

She just relishes in the attention. It feeds the endless black hole that she has for a soul. She not worth it. Ignore her and she'll go away.

 

[pathdawg]

Go to MGH's pyshdept. You need it baby!

I don't think so. He is certainly entitled to his opinion, no matter how much I may disagree with it. This is why the First Amendment is so valuable.

I really hate when the unpopular view is shouted down.

 

[pathER]

Don't shoot me! This is my first post.

For what it's worth, just adding my anectodotal experience with the job search this year. Among the job offers that we received (we're all just finishing fellowship training in non-derm area) in Washington State, Virginia, Michigan, North Carolina, and South Carolina, our starting salaries for private practice, partnership-track ranged from 180K to 210K, with partner salary quoted as 300K to 500K.

Nice, see those sound more like it. I can even handle 180K especially with the chance of 300K plus in the future.

But I don't want everyone to think my motivations are just $$. Believe me, I like path for many many more reasons. Also, could you guys chill out with this new 'debate' you have sparked up. WTF. I suppose my next question should be, what board score do I need to land path. Oh wait, I took my Step I yesterday. Ah but another pointless question asked on SDN. Run with it.

 

[NittanyLion302]

Also, remember that when someone quotes you a "partner salary", there is absolutely no guarantee of being made a partner. Many, many groups will dangle the partnership carrot without ever actually intending to offer it when the time comes. Sad but true. I have seen it happen time and time again.

even in a "partnership-track" position?

 

[pathdawg]

even in a "partnership-track" position?

Yep. "Partnership Tract" means "No Guarantees".

 

[akaz]

I don't think so. He is certainly entitled to his opinion, no matter how much I may disagree with it. This is why the First Amendment is so valuable.

I really hate when the unpopular view is shouted down.

I suppose but you should have read the hate mail I got. No matter what that is scary.

 

[Cabbage Head]

People dont realize big business uses Marxist doctrine of governmental regulation against the small business owner/individual physician. Niether political party currently represents us or the middle class in general. The repubs champion the wealthy capitalists and the Demos have their lower classes. Both are ****** of the big attorney firms and the overpowered judiciary.

How can anyone even begin to catagorize this statement as conservative lunatic ramblings? This is the most accurate description of politics I've heard! "Liberal" and "conservative" are just buzzwords that perpetuate this dichotomous political system that enslaves 9/10 of this country. It's a two-headed beast, but either way, you get eaten. Just keep thinking the same safe thoughts, and keep telling yourself it's all right.

Kang: It's a two-party system. You have to vote for one of us!
Springfield Man: Well then, I believe I'll vote for a third party!
Kang: Go ahead! Throw your vote away! Ahahahaha!

 

[LADoc00]

I suppose but you should have read the hate mail I got. No matter what that is scary.

What hate mail?! hahaha. You are scared of like everything. You use "scary" in every other post without ever adressing content....you are devoid of any sort of reasoning for your opinions..
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Anyway, I think there is a very real cap on what you can make if you are limited to purely hospital based pathology. In my opinion, the economics are such doing only hospital based is a very big mistake. Yet more and more groups are doing just that, especially in big cities. I can tell you for what it is worth, they had an article in local newspaper where I am and the managers of supermarkets were in the 120-140K range for salary, so I would hope people are shooting for far more than that. I think its not unheard of to get 200-250K starting if you have a fellowship. It all then becomes finding the least expensive cost of living to maximize your savings and protect that income. I can say that your income 2-3 years into private practice will be ideally double or more academic range and more than 50% greater than government/county health positions. This isnt taking into account you are a business and have so many more ways to protect income and write off expenses than as a wage laborer.

The single best source of information is CAP Pathology Income Survey that comes out every year. It has income broken down by almost every percievable condition, aside from one important one: by fellowship type. Why that is left out is very very interesting. Ill let you guess.

 

[pathdawg]

I suppose but you should have read the hate mail I got. No matter what that is scary.

What I read in prior postings is typical chat room bickering. I wouldn't catagorize that as "hate mail". No threats were made. Just some name-calling.

My point is that it is easy to dismiss someone's view that doesn't agree with yours as fringe ranting. Stop, think, and at least consider that point of view. Even if you don't agree with it in the end, you'll likely learn something. Many of us, especially in medicine, tend to be very close-minded.

 

[RyMcQ]

Among the job offers that we received (we're all just finishing fellowship training in non-derm area) in Washington State, Virginia, Michigan, North Carolina, and South Carolina, our starting salaries for private practice, partnership-track ranged from 180K to 210K, with partner salary quoted as 300K to 500K.

This is in line with my experience, the experience of former fellow residents, and the most recent CAP salary survey.

 

[yaah]

The thing is, salary arguments are kind of like political arguments: If you are looking for them to tell you something, they will. Thus, for the person who thinks or is worried that the job market is bad, they will latch onto any sign that it is, and put forth that as the truth (perhaps also the truth that "everyone is covering up") and gloss over the good news. Similarly, there are those who will gloss over the shortcomings and latch onto one success story as the truth. Clearly, actual life is somewhere in between. I have seen people on these forums, and elsewhere, who hear one bad job search experience and decide on their own that that must mean that the job market sucks.

Bear in mind that when people discuss salary, either here or in real life, they will be biased in some way. Perhaps they were screwed over. Perhaps it was their own fault and they won't admit it. Perhaps they are an unqualified candidate or someone who no one wants to work with. Job searches are not the same for everyone. While credentials can be an equalizing factor, there is no substitute for appropriate training, interpersonal skills, and your own unique skills.

Some residents I have seen have had some trouble finding a job they want or in a location they want. For the most part, these residents have something "lacking" in their application - whether it is appropriate training, or the inability to put a sentence together or understand the world, or just that their references are full of backhanded compliments and less than stellar praise. The stellar graduating residents here had multiple job offers in many areas of the country. The not as stellar ones had less desirable job offers. Coincidence? Qualifications aren't everything. The other thing is, don't forget, that often you actually have to LOOK for a job. They aren't handed out like candy. Some people will sit on their ass, maybe send a couple of feelers out, put not much effort into their interviews, and then complain that the job market sucks.

All I say is to pay attention to who is giving you the information. The thing is, unsuccessful people tend to whine (when it comes to job searches), and successful people often don't talk about it. Bear this in mind.

 

[akaz]

You are right. However, I will say this. I was talking to my friend on faculty in derm at U of Wash. He said your taste in colleagues will likely not change. I agree. I am more comfortable with those in academic derm. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion and ways. It is about finding fit. I am really excited. We started a non-profit for research into skin. The press release is coming out next week. I have faculty at Harvard, those from IHS, and the NIH on the board. This is exciting. We went to private donors to make up for lack of federal funding. We are releasing the grants in August. I am on the board and the co-founder. We are going after scleroderma, GVH, genomic fidelity etc. All you path folks have a blast and sorry for the termperment. I belong in skin and academic track.
I have so much fun there.

What I read in prior postings is typical chat room bickering. I wouldn't catagorize that as "hate mail". No threats were made. Just some name-calling.

My point is that it is easy to dismiss someone's view that doesn't agree with yours as fringe ranting. Stop, think, and at least consider that point of view. Even if you don't agree with it in the end, you'll likely learn something. Many of us, especially in medicine, tend to be very close-minded.

 

[hizo1]

You are right. However, I will say this. I was talking to my friend on faculty in derm at U of Wash. He said your taste in colleagues will likely not change. I agree. I am more comfortable with those in academic derm. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion and ways. It is about finding fit. I am really excited. We started a non-profit for research into skin. The press release is coming out next week. I have faculty at Harvard, those from IHS, and the NIH on the board. This is exciting. We went to private donors to make up for lack of federal funding. We are releasing the grants in August. I am on the board and the co-founder. We are going after scleroderma, GVH, genomic fidelity etc. All you path folks have a blast and sorry for the termperment. I belong in skin and academic track.
I have so much fun there.

you are awesome. please keep us updated.

 

[djmd]

you are awesome. please keep us updated.

nice very effective...

 

[akaz]

Why don't any of you do something that requires motivation and intensity? Get off your rear

nice very effective...

 

[akaz]

When I was referring to LADOC's behavior it was in another forum. This was cold and callous to a mother that was having a tough time. I am a parent and every mother has it tough. I doubt someone that was ever a stay at home mother would say something so callous. The reason why fit is poor is I don't want callous colleagues. Path has the rep with attendings as being the place you go if you don't like clinical medicine, don't like people, are a FMG, or the bottom of the class, or a MD/PHD. My friends are all attendings. LADOC is a jerk and so is everyone that supports his callous behavior. Obviosly here meanness to humans is OK, but not a field or a pathologist. God forbid should you pick on a pathologist no matter what they do? Oh my god. A sin..... Yeah let's beat on the mothers. Should we kick some children too? I let LADOC lead that . #7
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Originally Posted by FluoroQuinolone
YES! I have always wanted to be a Pharmacist b4 I met him...and he is not going to keep me from achieving my dream.

I do not suscribe to shipping my kid to Africa though, but my hands are tied.



This has to be a troll. No one is this ******ed. We have stepped into new territory now, the land of the truly insane.

I can only imagine your poor kid sitting around in Dafur somewhere wondering what the hell went wrong...

Someone should call CPS on you, pharm school will be least of your concerns when you are staring at 5 years in a women's penal colony.


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But Pharmacy School I must go.



How bout settling for prison? To prison you must go....

 

[yaah]

This is not the place for this. Stop it now or I will close the thread. I don't care who started it.

When you come on here and your only posts are insulting to the field and to other posters who frequent this forum, no one is going to take you seriously.

I recommend you stop, find somewhere else to post, or post with more tact.

 

[Aubrey]

This is not the place for this. Stop it now or I will close the thread. I don't care who started it.

When you come on here and your only posts are insulting to the field and to other posters who frequent this forum, no one is going to take you seriously.

I recommend you stop, find somewhere else to post, or post with more tact.

Hear, hear.

 

[LADoc00]

 

[djmd]

Hello... children...

 

[Thrombus]

LADoc is right on!!

Marxism has run amok in American health care and we are all victims of it.

Unfortunately, physicians have sold us all out years ago and we are now all serfs of the system.

Its nice to realize this after its already too late.

 

[MossPoh]

You might even call me gay were not for the 20 year old blonde who lounges around my place in her panties. Yes, I lead a somewhat boring life often debating politics at bars and coffee houses in a one-sided fashion because not even most physicians have read Marx, Engels, Spengler, Sun Tzu, Musashi, Che, Tito, Hitler and the like.

The gay guys are usually the ones that have the girls lounging around in panties all the time. Just messing with you man. Granted I'm not a physician I've read most of those. Marx, Engels, Hitler in original language and found them all boring as hell but that is because it isn't my arena. Everyone can point figures at whatever and cite whatever books (this is applying to both sides) and it really won't do much of anything...having a book read by millions doesn't make it right....just gives ideas to chew on a bit. If people REALLY want to make money and they have some sort of starting capital they can do it.....there are lots of people in the world that don't make enough money for what they are doing....with far worse jobs in general. Just be smart save, and invest right and you'll haul in more bank than most radiologist after a few years.