Paying off a car during med school

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Hey guys,

So I just totaled my car and I need to get a new one. I'm actually thinking to get a "new" car because I would like it to last through a fellowship. Anyways I've been accepted to a couple of med schools and will be attending one in August. I was wondering how I pay for my car loan while in med school? I assume with a grad plus loan but I just wanted to be sure. Thanks in advance.

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Hey guys,

So I just totaled my car and I need to get a new one. I'm actually thinking to get a "new" car because I would like it to last through a fellowship. Anyways I've been accepted to a couple of med schools and will be attending one in August. I was wondering how I pay for my car loan while in med school? I assume with a grad plus loan but I just wanted to be sure. Thanks in advance.

Loans aren't to be used for consumer debt so if this is your plan DO NOT bring this up to the financial aid office at the respective schools. If you do use the loan money be sure that you are able to live off whatever your remaining balance of loan money would be as it is difficult to take out loan money beyond the cost of attendance. If there is another way you can obtain funds for the car I would suggest you do that because its a dangerous game if you should happen to get caught misusing federal funds.
 
Loans aren't to be used for consumer debt so if this is your plan DO NOT bring this up to the financial aid office at the respective schools. If you do use the loan money be sure that you are able to live off whatever your remaining balance of loan money would be as it is difficult to take out loan money beyond the cost of attendance. If there is another way you can obtain funds for the car I would suggest you do that because its a dangerous game if you should happen to get caught misusing federal funds.

Thanks for the advice. I imagine though that there are a fair amount of medical students paying off/for a vehicle. Besides having their parents pay for their cars how else do med students cover this?
 
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Loans aren't to be used for consumer debt so if this is your plan DO NOT bring this up to the financial aid office at the respective schools. If you do use the loan money be sure that you are able to live off whatever your remaining balance of loan money would be as it is difficult to take out loan money beyond the cost of attendance. If there is another way you can obtain funds for the car I would suggest you do that because its a dangerous game if you should happen to get caught misusing federal funds.


It's not really a "dangerous game". Nobody has any idea what you do with that money after loans are disbursed as long as you don't say anything. If you can swing it based on your school's COA go right ahead but I doubt they'll give you an increased COA for a car.
 
It's not really a "dangerous game". Nobody has any idea what you do with that money after loans are disbursed as long as you don't say anything. If you can swing it based on your school's COA go right ahead but I doubt they'll give you an increased COA for a car.

This. It's not like they can track where each individual dollar goes.
 
It's not really a "dangerous game". Nobody has any idea what you do with that money after loans are disbursed as long as you don't say anything. If you can swing it based on your school's COA go right ahead but I doubt they'll give you an increased COA for a car.

I said its a dangerous game if you get caught.
 
I said its a dangerous game if you get caught.

I'll just say this...you don't get caught. I know people who pay off their credit cards every month with student loan money. I'd worry more about whether COA is going to cover the car than if the school is going to find out you used the money to buy a car to get to school,
 
I'll just say this...you don't get caught. I know people who pay off their credit cards every month with student loan money. I'd worry more about whether COA is going to cover the car than if the school is going to find out you used the money to buy a car to get to school,

I'm not saying anything you're saying is invalid. All I'm saying is the OP should be aware that however small the possibility it could happen. Nothing of what I stated disagreed with anything you posted.
 
I'm not saying anything you're saying is invalid. All I'm saying is the OP should be aware that however small the possibility it could happen. Nothing of what I stated disagreed with anything you posted.

Name one person in the history of federal student loans who has lost them/got in trouble for having a car payment.

It doesn't happen. Ever.


OP as long as your student loans aren't financing drugs or some sketchy illegal investment scheme you are pretty much fine.

Most schools have 'transportation' as one of the items in your expected yearly budget to determine how much loan money you are eligible for.

Also, OP, I am in a similar boat, my car payment is $350/mo. Most schools overbudget and you will have plenty of money to make the car payment....assuming you are semi-frugal with the rest of your life.
 
Name one person in the history of federal student loans who has lost them/got in trouble for having a car payment.

It doesn't happen. Ever.


OP as long as your student loans aren't financing drugs or some sketchy illegal investment scheme you are pretty much fine.

Most schools have 'transportation' as one of the items in your expected yearly budget to determine how much loan money you are eligible for.

Also, OP, I am in a similar boat, my car payment is $350/mo. Most schools overbudget and you will have plenty of money to make the car payment....assuming you are semi-frugal with the rest of your life.

Thanks for the advice from all of you guys. So I'm still kind of hazy on how these loans work. Let me see if I get this straight: You get approved some amount from your medical school to take out covering tuition and expenses calculated by the school. Then you can but dont have to take that amount in loans. From the schools I'm accepted to it looks like ill be taking out federal stafford and some grad plus. Do you get these loans as a bulk payment and draw from them whenever you need to or do get some amount once a month?
 
You get a huge bolus of money once a semester- federal loans are doled out twice a year, fall and spring. The money goes straight to the school, they take out their share, then you get a large amount of money (your refund, total loans taken out- tuition) deposited in your checking account or as a check from your cashier. Then you have to make that money last all semester.
 
I know at my school during ms3 a car is required. Doesn't rlly help op but I'd assume that means its ok to use loan money for it however dumb that may be.
 
Loans aren't to be used for consumer debt so if this is your plan DO NOT bring this up to the financial aid office at the respective schools. If you do use the loan money be sure that you are able to live off whatever your remaining balance of loan money would be as it is difficult to take out loan money beyond the cost of attendance. If there is another way you can obtain funds for the car I would suggest you do that because its a dangerous game if you should happen to get caught misusing federal funds.

Not really an issue. Loans are meant to pay for living expenses. If you don't have a car, you're going to have to buy one since most schools require you to have some sort of transportation (e.g., to get to preceptors' offices). Car payments are a natural result. Student loans can help to pay those expenses. It's not like you are doing anything illegal with the money and it's not like they can track where a given dollar comes from and goes to since it all goes into your bank account and then money is pulled from there. As long as you pay back the loans later on, no one will care or be the wiser.
 
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Buying a new car, which financially savvy people will always tell you, is one of the worst investments you can make. Once your car leaves the dealership, it drops 5-10k value depending on the model.

Just get a clunker, use your contacts (friends/parents) to get a decent old car that can last you until you make some real money. Or move close to school. You are going to end up paying much more with the interest rates accumulating over years. And you might be in danger going into credit card debt once your loan options run out. Carpool, get a bike, move close to school.. but don't buy a new car on loans it's just dumb.
 
It's not really a "dangerous game". Nobody has any idea what you do with that money after loans are disbursed as long as you don't say anything. If you can swing it based on your school's COA go right ahead but I doubt they'll give you an increased COA for a car.

I increased my max loans because of car payments. Contacted my financial aid office and explained that I needed more than their projected COA because of my car. I showed them my car paperwork and they increased my loans to cover both the car loan payment and the insurance payment.

My financial aid office made this seem like it was a common procedure.
 
I increased my max loans because of car payments. Contacted my financial aid office and explained that I needed more than their projected COA because of my car. I showed them my car paperwork and they increased my loans to cover both the car loan payment and the insurance payment.

My financial aid office made this seem like it was a common procedure.

Awesome, I'll call the fin aid office of where I'm considering and see what they have to say.
 
I think in general student loans aren't to be used during undergrad as a car is not "necessary." However, in graduate school, especially medical school, a car is a necessity.

Budget appropriately and you'll be able to afford a payment and insurance monthly.
 
Although the notion that buying a new car is a terrible investment is a historically accurate piece of advice, it is most definitely not the case here in 2012! I know this because I had to research this problem (and I like cars). During the recession Americans were buying only around 9-10 million cars a year versus the peak of around 16 million a year. This figure did not even meet the replacement rate for automobiles and the country as a whole was actually junking more cars than were being added to the roads. The end result of this was a shortage of used cars and used car prices went up substantially, making them a poor investment. Of course, some savvy customers benefited greatly from this setup. For example, there was a time, I believe in the Spring of 2010 or 2011, where you could have bought a Toyota Prius, driven it for a year, sold it, bought the new model and made money off the transaction! That's how out of whack things have been...they've gotten a little less strange over the past year but the used car market is still way overpriced. My car, after taxes and fees was only about $2-3k more than the same car (older model) that had been driven for a year or two and had well over 12k miles on it. While $2-3k is nothing to sneeze over it's not enough of a discount to justify buying used over new. Just having that extra year under warranty is worth a fair bit.

I would have preferred to not liquidate my savings like I did to buy my car but I thought it was the right move in the long run. Now I have a great car that will cost me very little maintenance, God willing, over my time as a medical student. Furthermore, those first few years are covered by warranty. Yes, I could have bought a clunker for say, $6k, but it might only have lasted me 3-5 years and required several thousand dollars in costly repairs over those years. And after those 3-5 years I would have to buy another car, say for another $6k and repeat the cycle all over again. Perhaps most important you want a reliable car in medical school. When you have to be at an exam or be at the hospital during rotations/residency the last thing you want to worry about in your life is having your jalopy break down on the side of the road.

So in short, although the notion that buying a used car is frugal and financially responsible move may have been the case in the past, the market is different these days. So I disagree with the statement that: "Buying a new car, which financially savvy people will always tell you, is one of the worst investments you can make." Now if you can get a family member/friend to sell you a decent used car at a discount, go for it. Otherwise I'd strongly consider going new. And if you're going new you can find a lot of great compact cars these days that have fantastic fuel economy which will substantially drive down your cost of ownership over the years.
 
OP consider getting a high MPG car, that can make your car payment much more manageable. I just got a new Honda Accord that gets 30 MPG after my old jeep died (terrible MPG). My gas savings will nearly pay for half my car payment. And I have a new car, under warranty, that should last for another 5-10 years.

Also since you have no 'technical income' you will likely need to have your parents co-sign unless you have a spouse working. If you have good credit you can get a car loan for around ~3% which is pretty good considering my student loans are at 6.8%.
 
OP consider getting a high MPG car, that can make your car payment much more manageable. I just got a new Honda Accord that gets 30 MPG after my old jeep died (terrible MPG). My gas savings will nearly pay for half my car payment. And I have a new car, under warranty, that should last for another 5-10 years.

Also since you have no 'technical income' you will likely need to have your parents co-sign unless you have a spouse working. If you have good credit you can get a car loan for around ~3% which is pretty good considering my student loans are at 6.8%.
I qualified for Toyota's 2.9% on their certified used cars with my only income being my quarterly disbursements. I have a pretty good credit score that helped, but my only verifiable income was indeed the loans.

I'd recommend looking at that.
 
Although the notion that buying a new car is a terrible investment is a historically accurate piece of advice, it is most definitely not the case here in 2012! I know this because I had to research this problem (and I like cars). During the recession Americans were buying only around 9-10 million cars a year versus the peak of around 16 million a year. This figure did not even meet the replacement rate for automobiles and the country as a whole was actually junking more cars than were being added to the roads. The end result of this was a shortage of used cars and used car prices went up substantially, making them a poor investment. Of course, some savvy customers benefited greatly from this setup. For example, there was a time, I believe in the Spring of 2010 or 2011, where you could have bought a Toyota Prius, driven it for a year, sold it, bought the new model and made money off the transaction! That's how out of whack things have been...they've gotten a little less strange over the past year but the used car market is still way overpriced. My car, after taxes and fees was only about $2-3k more than the same car (older model) that had been driven for a year or two and had well over 12k miles on it. While $2-3k is nothing to sneeze over it's not enough of a discount to justify buying used over new. Just having that extra year under warranty is worth a fair bit.

I would have preferred to not liquidate my savings like I did to buy my car but I thought it was the right move in the long run. Now I have a great car that will cost me very little maintenance, God willing, over my time as a medical student. Furthermore, those first few years are covered by warranty. Yes, I could have bought a clunker for say, $6k, but it might only have lasted me 3-5 years and required several thousand dollars in costly repairs over those years. And after those 3-5 years I would have to buy another car, say for another $6k and repeat the cycle all over again. Perhaps most important you want a reliable car in medical school. When you have to be at an exam or be at the hospital during rotations/residency the last thing you want to worry about in your life is having your jalopy break down on the side of the road.

So in short, although the notion that buying a used car is frugal and financially responsible move may have been the case in the past, the market is different these days. So I disagree with the statement that: "Buying a new car, which financially savvy people will always tell you, is one of the worst investments you can make." Now if you can get a family member/friend to sell you a decent used car at a discount, go for it. Otherwise I'd strongly consider going new. And if you're going new you can find a lot of great compact cars these days that have fantastic fuel economy which will substantially drive down your cost of ownership over the years.

I agree that things changed during the recession but things are looking better now and the window for negotiation at dealerships is pretty much gone. I actually was at a Honda dealership recently so I know their offers aren't killer deals anymore. What you also didn't take into account is that buying a car with loans is costing much more than it first seems. I'd go for a used one, maybe one that has only been driven for a year for example. I find it very undisciplined to get a new car on loans but people will justify anything if they really want no matter how it will affect thm
 
I qualified for Toyota's 2.9% on their certified used cars with my only income being my quarterly disbursements. I have a pretty good credit score that helped, but my only verifiable income was indeed the loans.

I'd recommend looking at that.

That is interesting. I guess that is the difference between Toyota and Honda's financing.

I also have a high credit score, but Honda's financing basically said student loans don't count as income and I am not graduating within 6 months so I needed a co-signer.
 
I get what you're saying Valkener and you're totally right that any purchase at the 6.8% rate (ridiculous!) that we pay on our loans will end up costing far more in the future because of interest/compound interest. I had worked after college and was able to save up money for the car. I do think there are deals to be had, I got nearly 9% off MSRP on my car in August by buying the 2012 model whereas the 2013 had just arrived a month prior. If you use a website like Amex Zag (they're also affiliated with AAA), you can shop around online and get guaranteed prices on models around your area so you'll be paying the very least. I really liked the idea of buying a car that was only a year or two old but I would have wanted close to a $4-$5k discount than a $2-$3k discount to take into account wear and tear, the shorter warranty, and the general diminished value of the car as it is an older model. Perhaps I could have found it if I had looked harder on the private market opposed to what the dealerships had to offer.
 
I get what you're saying Valkener and you're totally right that any purchase at the 6.8% rate (ridiculous!) that we pay on our loans will end up costing far more in the future because of interest/compound interest. I had worked after college and was able to save up money for the car. I do think there are deals to be had, I got nearly 9% off MSRP on my car in August by buying the 2012 model whereas the 2013 had just arrived a month prior. If you use a website like Amex Zag (they're also affiliated with AAA), you can shop around online and get guaranteed prices on models around your area so you'll be paying the very least. I really liked the idea of buying a car that was only a year or two old but I would have wanted close to a $4-$5k discount than a $2-$3k discount to take into account wear and tear, the shorter warranty, and the general diminished value of the car as it is an older model. Perhaps I could have found it if I had looked harder on the private market opposed to what the dealerships had to offer.

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I get what you're saying Valkener and you're totally right that any purchase at the 6.8% rate (ridiculous!) that we pay on our loans will end up costing far more in the future because of interest/compound interest. I had worked after college and was able to save up money for the car. I do think there are deals to be had, I got nearly 9% off MSRP on my car in August by buying the 2012 model whereas the 2013 had just arrived a month prior. If you use a website like Amex Zag (they're also affiliated with AAA), you can shop around online and get guaranteed prices on models around your area so you'll be paying the very least. I really liked the idea of buying a car that was only a year or two old but I would have wanted close to a $4-$5k discount than a $2-$3k discount to take into account wear and tear, the shorter warranty, and the general diminished value of the car as it is an older model. Perhaps I could have found it if I had looked harder on the private market opposed to what the dealerships had to offer.

Hmm I don't know about that website. I just looked at the car I bought, I negotiated $500 lower than that site would have given me.
 
I bought a brand new car in 2005 (Mazda3) and traded in an older Corolla for it. I then drove the Mazda till about 65K and traded that in for a larger SUV (I have kids now and needed the space). Anyway, I lost ~4k on the Corolla but ended up making that all back and then some on the Mazda, that thing really maintained it's value well. When I bought the SUV, gas was above $4 per gallon and vehicles like that weren't selling. I played hardball with the dealership and after a month of refusing to budge on my price they called me and let it go for $16K (it was 1 year old, had less than 10K miles, and sold new for just north of $40K).

Now, 5 years later the SUV still sells for more than we paid for it. Which is nice to know if we ever needed to unload it quickly.

My whole point in telling this story is to point out that if done right, it's possible to not lose money buying new cars. You just have to know what to buy and when.

Also, I can only speak for my school but transportation is included in the COA calculation. To me that means paying for a car, bus pass, bicycle or whatever means of transportation I determine to be necessary. I bought a second car (an old beater) this year to get me to rotations without leaving my wife stranded at home with the kids.
 
Several of the MD/Phds I know go to a school with very generous loans. This last summer, they used the money not spent to go to Hawaii. This was encouraged by our institution because they wanted us to feel rested. I don't know where that one guy from the c/o 2016 is getting his information but if we consider what is permitted in practice, SunDai is off is effin rocker.
 
Buying a new car, which financially savvy people will always tell you, is one of the worst investments you can make. Once your car leaves the dealership, it drops 5-10k value depending on the model.

Just get a clunker, use your contacts (friends/parents) to get a decent old car that can last you until you make some real money. Or move close to school. You are going to end up paying much more with the interest rates accumulating over years. And you might be in danger going into credit card debt once your loan options run out. Carpool, get a bike, move close to school.. but don't buy a new car on loans it's just dumb.

This.

OP: there are many reliable, used vehicles that you can get which will get you through med school, residency, and fellowship at a fraction of the price of new. Just be honest with yourself about why you're buying it. If it's truly for reliability, that's not a good enough reason to buy new. If you just really want a new car - nothing wrong with that.
 
This.

OP: there are many reliable, used vehicles that you can get which will get you through med school, residency, and fellowship at a fraction of the price of new. Just be honest with yourself about why you're buying it. If it's truly for reliability, that's not a good enough reason to buy new. If you just really want a new car - nothing wrong with that.

Yes, and above all else: DO NOT LEASE.
 
Several of the MD/Phds I know go to a school with very generous loans. This last summer, they used the money not spent to go to Hawaii. This was encouraged by our institution because they wanted us to feel rested. I don't know where that one guy from the c/o 2016 is getting his information but if we consider what is permitted in practice, SunDai is off is effin rocker.

The MD/PhDs typically aren't on loans. They're usually getting free tuition and a yearly stipend, at least thats been every MSTP program I know of.
 
This.

OP: there are many reliable, used vehicles that you can get which will get you through med school, residency, and fellowship at a fraction of the price of new. Just be honest with yourself about why you're buying it. If it's truly for reliability, that's not a good enough reason to buy new. If you just really want a new car - nothing wrong with that.

True but there isn't a huge price difference between between many new vs. used cars (i.e. a 2013 honda and 2010 honda). Some brands hold their value pretty well (maybe only a few thousand less).

In addition, you must consider many new cars have interest rates near 0.9% while used cars only have 3 or 4%. That right there could be hundreds to thousands of dollars making the difference much much smaller.

Buying used makes sense if the car is going to depreciate quickly, but if the used price is basically just short of the new price you might as well buy new because you get the better financing, longer warranty and often more fuel efficient.
 
I'm not saying anything you're saying is invalid. All I'm saying is the OP should be aware that however small the possibility it could happen. Nothing of what I stated disagreed with anything you posted.

There's zero possibility of him getting in trouble. Here's what my school thinks I should be spending money on:

Cost of Attendance
Books and Supplies $1,266.00
Loan Fees $736.00
MSLE Fees $520.00
Personal/Misc Expenses $8,760.00
Room and Board $17,914.00
Transportation $4,406.00
Tuition and Fees $16,212.00

Total: $49,814.00

Should I be spending $4,406 on only bus tickets and gas?

You can easily lease/buy a car with that amount.
 
Yes, and above all else: DO NOT LEASE.

+1 do not lease. Its a bad deal for individuals.

That being said I will be leasing a new car this July for when i start med school. My dad has a businesses so he can write it off as a business expense. I will have all student loans for my school fees n living expenses. My parents will pay the car payments I'll pay the insurance and down payment.

My parents offered me since my current vehicle (old minivan) is going to die any day.

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Several of the MD/Phds I know go to a school with very generous loans. This last summer, they used the money not spent to go to Hawaii. This was encouraged by our institution because they wanted us to feel rested. I don't know where that one guy from the c/o 2016 is getting his information but if we consider what is permitted in practice, SunDai is off is effin rocker.

What I said is based on information given by 3 medical schools when I asked specifically about purchasing a new car. They each said they would provide additional funding for repairs, but not to purchase a new car and further said to pay off my previous car loan prior to matriculating. If your respective institutions say otherwise more power to you. Again, I've said nothing argumentative to anyone that required the above response in the least bit. Glad all your car purchasing options worked out for you.
 
True but there isn't a huge price difference between between many new vs. used cars (i.e. a 2013 honda and 2010 honda). Some brands hold their value pretty well (maybe only a few thousand less).

In addition, you must consider many new cars have interest rates near 0.9% while used cars only have 3 or 4%. That right there could be hundreds to thousands of dollars making the difference much much smaller.

Buying used makes sense if the car is going to depreciate quickly, but if the used price is basically just short of the new price you might as well buy new because you get the better financing, longer warranty and often more fuel efficient.

I'm referring to 5-10 year old Toyota or Honda with around 100k miles. These should still run strong for another 50-100k miles and you can pick them up in the vicinity of $5k and sell them 5 years down the road for a loss of only about $2-3k. Insurance is cheap and you may not even need to get it financed. If you do, I recommend Penfed or Navy Federal CU with rates around 2%.
 
Do yourself a favor and listen to some Clark Howard or Dave Ramsey. That $20k car will end up costing you $40k in the long run. Only buy what you can afford to pay cash for. If you have to buy something with loans, buy a 10y old accord or civic with 150k miles on it and looks awful but only costs $2k. Doctors are notoriously bad investors and they (soon to be we!!!) convince themselves that it's OK to spend money they don't have or invest in risky things because they think they know better than everyone else.

Don't do it. You're a poor college student. You don't need a new car. You have no one to impress. Buy something that (barely) drives and you will be happy when you graduate with less debt.
 
And don't forget that you could match somewhere for residency or fellowship where it will be prohibitively expensive to have a car. Or you could have kids in the next 10 years and need a family car. And there's self-discipline to be considered. Youd be buying a car on 100% borrowed money. You don't want to start feeling like that's normal/ok to do that then feel the need to reward yourself for finishing med school or residency.
 
+1 do not lease. Its a bad deal for individuals.

That being said I will be leasing a new car this July for when i start med school. My dad has a businesses so he can write it off as a business expense. I will have all student loans for my school fees n living expenses. My parents will pay the car payments I'll pay the insurance and down payment.

My parents offered me since my current vehicle (old minivan) is going to die any day.

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Why can't your parents just write off a car purchase? Once that car is paid off, you won't have to make any more payments until you scrap it.
 
I drive a $2500 clunker, upgraded during MS3 from my $1200 clunker which I had for 6 or 7 years. I do all my own mechanical work and it's sort of a hobby of mine, but let me tell you, it isn't fun wondering what's going to break this month, or wondering if I'll have to borrow a parent's car to make it reliably to an interview.

In med school you need to guard your time with a vengeance. If buying a new Civic or other cheap(er) small car like a Focus lets you have one less thing to worry about, then don't feel bad about it. If you get a used car, I do not recommend the road I took. Get a reliable $6k+ japanese car that will last you 4 years without too much trouble, rather than a $2k european crapbox that will have you scouring internet forums for a fix for your latest issue.
 
Why can't your parents just write off a car purchase? Once that car is paid off, you won't have to make any more payments until you scrap it.

With a lease they can write off the whole payment as business expense. A car is an asset so only depreciation and interest gets written off. Plus the payment is only $200 month.

By the time i start residency I can just buy a used car on my own funds.

For majority of ppl buying makes most sense. My parents always buy their personal cars. We lease the business vehicles usually.

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Do yourself a favor and listen to some Clark Howard or Dave Ramsey. That $20k car will end up costing you $40k in the long run. Only buy what you can afford to pay cash for. If you have to buy something with loans, buy a 10y old accord or civic with 150k miles on it and looks awful but only costs $2k. Doctors are notoriously bad investors and they (soon to be we!!!) convince themselves that it's OK to spend money they don't have or invest in risky things because they think they know better than everyone else.

Don't do it. You're a poor college student. You don't need a new car. You have no one to impress. Buy something that (barely) drives and you will be happy when you graduate with less debt.

I don't know dude. At 2% financing there is hardly any interest on the car. That 20K car will cost you 21K. If I buy a new car now and over 5 years lose 10K in depreciation and 1K in financing but save 3K in better gas mileage and another 3K in repairs is it really that awful of a use of money (net 5K lose)?

Obviously a clunker is better financial, but there is something to be said for an extremely dependable car that you don't have to worry about breaking down. Plus a few thousand isn't that much money spread out over several years.

To each their own. I just don't think in the grand scheme of things it is a huge difference financially unless you are buying something silly like a land rover.
 
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I don't know dude. At 2% financing there is hardly any interest on the car. That 20K car will cost you 21K. If I buy a new car now and over 5 years lose 10K in depreciation and 1K in financing but save 3K in better gas mileage and another 3K in repairs is it really that awful of a use of money (net 4K lose)?

Obviously a clunker is better financial, but there is something to be said for an extremely dependable car that you don't have to worry about breaking down. Plus a few thousand isn't that much money spread out over several years.

To each their own. I just don't think in the grand scheme of things it is a huge difference financially unless you are buying something silly like a land rover.
I don't see the problem buying new if you buy smart. If you go for, say, a Toyota, there is no reason that won't last you into attending-hood. If you don't mind driving around an older vehicle its one less payment a month and still reliable.
 
The loan issue is covered above- that should be no problem. Heck in the housing boom I knew medical students who paid their mortgage with a loan.

The biggest is you are paying a depreciating asset with a loan. Be VERY careful with your medical school loans. People will generally loan you lots of money. The downfall I've seen MANY medical students make is they take out a ton of loans (more than they need-some subsidized, some not), blow a lot of it (saw many luxury cars in medical school, eating at fancy restaurants, nice apartments, vacations, etc). So they end up with 150k in debt. Well in residency they defer this. Then 4 years later when they have to pay it back, they have almost 200k in debt. They think they will be ok since they are an attending now making 'big bucks'- well guess what medicine isn't what it used to be- after you start practicing you have lots of taxes, no retirement savings, etc. That 200k debt can be a big problem-much more difficult to pay off than you'd imagine.

Long story short- get a car with loans if you must, just be VERY frugal with this since you will have to pay the piper sometime.
 
The loan issue is covered above- that should be no problem. Heck in the housing boom I knew medical students who paid their mortgage with a loan.

The biggest is you are paying a depreciating asset with a loan. Be VERY careful with your medical school loans. People will generally loan you lots of money. The downfall I've seen MANY medical students make is they take out a ton of loans (more than they need-some subsidized, some not), blow a lot of it (saw many luxury cars in medical school, eating at fancy restaurants, nice apartments, vacations, etc). So they end up with 150k in debt. Well in residency they defer this. Then 4 years later when they have to pay it back, they have almost 200k in debt. They think they will be ok since they are an attending now making 'big bucks'- well guess what medicine isn't what it used to be- after you start practicing you have lots of taxes, no retirement savings, etc. That 200k debt can be a big problem-much more difficult to pay off than you'd imagine.

Long story short- get a car with loans if you must, just be VERY frugal with this since you will have to pay the piper sometime.
150,000 in debt I would venture is not the norm anymore, upwards of 200,000 is. You also can no longer defer loans during residency.

Regardless, the goal is to heed caution like you say.
 
I don't know dude. At 2% financing there is hardly any interest on the car. That 20K car will cost you 21K. If I buy a new car now and over 5 years lose 10K in depreciation and 1K in financing but save 3K in better gas mileage and another 3K in repairs is it really that awful of a use of money (net 5K lose)?

Obviously a clunker is better financial, but there is something to be said for an extremely dependable car that you don't have to worry about breaking down. Plus a few thousand isn't that much money spread out over several years.

To each their own. I just don't think in the grand scheme of things it is a huge difference financially unless you are buying something silly like a land rover.

Since it's Dave Ramsey, I'm betting he's including present value of money, loss of liquidity and potential to invest in other ventures, insurance costs (more for new cars and must have full coverage if financed, etc). Not to mention the fact that most Americans will re-finance one or more times and extend the loan out even farther.

Your numbers assume the best case for depreciation if you buy new and the worse case for gas and repairs if you buy used. Well, maybe not the worst case.

It's very rare for a new vehicle purchase to make financial sense, however I do understand that there are intrinsic reasons to do so sometimes. For instance, if you're single and trying to hook up, a nice car might help. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Thanks for all the responses. Financially I'm okay right now. Graduated a year and a half ago and work full time in research. I have no student debt from undergrad and got about 15k in the bank w/my insurance payout. So I'm thinking new and hoping to get the majority of the car paid off by the time I start in August. I am leaning toward buying a new Toyota rav4 because id like to have a warranty and the new 2013 model is something 24/31 mpg. Since I live in the tundra (totaled my last car because of snow and I want the 4wd) and all the schools I've been accepted to w/exception to Tulane have significant winters I think it makes sense. But I'm open to more suggestions if anyone's got em.
 
I don't know dude. At 2% financing there is hardly any interest on the car. That 20K car will cost you 21K. If I buy a new car now and over 5 years lose 10K in depreciation and 1K in financing but save 3K in better gas mileage and another 3K in repairs is it really that awful of a use of money (net 5K lose)?

Obviously a clunker is better financial, but there is something to be said for an extremely dependable car that you don't have to worry about breaking down. Plus a few thousand isn't that much money spread out over several years.

To each their own. I just don't think in the grand scheme of things it is a huge difference financially unless you are buying something silly like a land rover.

Yes, it's only 2% financing, but what are you paying the principle with? Unless I misunderstood the original question, he'd be paying off his car with student loans at 6.8+% that are unsubsidized and will compound. Plus any financing costs at the dealership, tax, loan fees from med school, etc. Chances are he or she will end up paying this off over an extended or irb repayment and it will cost much much more.

My brother in law school convinced himself it was ok to buy a new car and hates that thing with a passion. We just had to buy my wife a car and bought a few year old crv and are super happy with it. It was a little more than I would have liked to spend, but she totaled her last car and had good insurance. We weren't willing to spend a dime more than what we could pay cash for.

I drive a 10 year old Mazda so neither my wife nor I have car payments and that is a beautiful thing.
 
I'm coming from a 1990 Olds. Went to a late 00's Corolla. In my case, it was necessary. Plus, Toyotas, according to medscape, are the most preferred car amongst physicians so I'll fit right in 😉.
 
Yes, it's only 2% financing, but what are you paying the principle with? Unless I misunderstood the original question, he'd be paying off his car with student loans at 6.8+% that are unsubsidized and will compound. Plus any financing costs at the dealership, tax, loan fees from med school, etc. Chances are he or she will end up paying this off over an extended or irb repayment and it will cost much much more.

My brother in law school convinced himself it was ok to buy a new car and hates that thing with a passion. We just had to buy my wife a car and bought a few year old crv and are super happy with it. It was a little more than I would have liked to spend, but she totaled her last car and had good insurance. We weren't willing to spend a dime more than what we could pay cash for.

I drive a 10 year old Mazda so neither my wife nor I have car payments and that is a beautiful thing.

Ya I forgot you are paying with borrowed money. I don't know if that makes it 40K, but I can see a 20K car costing you 30K.
 
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