Pediatric Practice in Podiatry

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Im very interested in exploring pediatrics within podiatry and am currently looking into fellowships that align with that focus. My question is: how realistic is it to build a career centered on pediatric podiatry, or is this an unlikely path? Are there any notable figures in the field of pediatric podiatry worth looking into?

Feels like the most fulfilling path.

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Are you talking surgical or non-surgical? If primarily non-surgical (you enjoy doing nail avulsions for kids), there isn't enough pathology out there to justify 'sub-specializing'. If surgical, there still isn't much pathology out there and do you reallllly feel comfortable doing complex recon cases on someone's child? Surgery is stressful enough as it is without the added pressure of it being a young kid. As a parent, I would 100% prefer my child see a pediatric orthopedist that operates on kids all day everyday (not to mention can utilize the entire human anatomy for autografts etc) than Joe Schmo DPM who dabbles in pediatrics. You have to know your limits or else people get hurt. Sorry to burst your bubble, just my two cents.
Re: notable DPMs that do this type of work, I know of Brad Lamm and Craig Camasta. There's probably others though.
Maybe reach out to this guy Pediatric Foot & Ankle, Children's Foot Doctor in Chandler AZ
 
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Agree with podsquad.
I don't think we see enough pediatric surgery numbers to even justify doing procedures on them compared to what ortho was doing during residency.
Mileage varies sure but I refer that stuff out unless its something easy non surgical.
 
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Im very interested in exploring pediatrics within podiatry and am currently looking into fellowships that align with that focus. My question is: how realistic is it to build a career centered on pediatric podiatry, or is this an unlikely path? Are there any notable figures in the field of pediatric podiatry worth looking into?

Feels like the most fulfilling path.
A long time ago I met a podiatrist named Dr. Goad who practiced at Scott & White in Temple at the children's hospital. I may be butchering the story, but he told me something resembling the following.

He decided he wanted to focus on pediatrics. I believe he sought out pediatric type mentors. I'm under the impression there was a podiatrist associated with Scholl or in Chicago who had a heavy pediatric focus and he might have been one of the people he spoke to. Anyway, my memory is he started building a pediatric practice, but he was still about 50% adult. The advice he was given was that no one would take him seriously as a person pursuing pediatrics if he still saw adults. This was somewhat problematic because this represented quite a bit of his income. However, he ultimately dropped all of his adults and pursued pure pediatrics and the rest was history. Slightly complicated this story is that I believe another attending at the program told me that to support Dr. Goad's practice some of the other podiatrists purposely saw less pediatrics so that Goad's practice would have more patients. He had a very full entirely pediatric practice and it wasn't just teenagers - he saw young children to including unusual complicated neuromuscular disorders.

I spent a week with him. He was very nice and very interested in clubfoot. I saw more clubfoot with him in a week then I've seen in the rest of my training or career. Did quite a bit of casting and what not. I would not have described the week as incredibly surgical though other than nail surgery.

There's a "pediatric guru" who is up in the northeast that I've seen speak before. His entire business model appeared to be shamefully hardselling patients on orthotics for their kids by telling parents that if they don't buy orthotics for their kids then the kids will have feet like their parents.

Young people are interesting patients. They heal well. I've seen a metatarsal fracture heal on a child in like a week. There can be weird aspects to their stories like when you ultimately parse that the child's fracture was caused by their foot being hit by a brick that their parent threw. They can at times be bitchy and ungrateful ie. teenagers having flatfoot surgery. In most of medicine - pediatric doctors make less money because Medicaid is such a poor source of reimbursement. I personally enjoy treating the most common pediatric issues - ingrown toenails, calcaneal apophysitis, equinus, bunions, and flatfeet.

Pediatric ortho where I am is heavily focused on spinal deformities.
 
Young people are interesting patients. They heal well. I've seen a metatarsal fracture heal on a child in like a week. There can be weird aspects to their stories
That's bc they didn't report it to their parents for the first month it hurt or their parents told them to walk it off or give it kisses to feel better
 
Im very interested in exploring pediatrics within podiatry and am currently looking into fellowships that align with that focus. My question is: how realistic is it to build a career centered on pediatric podiatry, or is this an unlikely path? Are there any notable figures in the field of pediatric podiatry worth looking into?

Feels like the most fulfilling path.
No. Pediatric Podiatry is not a thing ...it's hard enough as an adult podiatrist. If your dad is some hot shot with a huge practice ...sure.

Just stop with this dream. Regular Podiatry is plenty fulfilling. Don't give up in your dreams..... Except this one.
 
A long time ago I met a podiatrist named Dr. Goad who practiced at Scott & White in Temple at the children's hospital. I may be butchering the story, but he told me something resembling the following.

He decided he wanted to focus on pediatrics. I believe he sought out pediatric type mentors. I'm under the impression there was a podiatrist associated with Scholl or in Chicago who had a heavy pediatric focus and he might have been one of the people he spoke to. Anyway, my memory is he started building a pediatric practice, but he was still about 50% adult. The advice he was given was that no one would take him seriously as a person pursuing pediatrics if he still saw adults. This was somewhat problematic because this represented quite a bit of his income. However, he ultimately dropped all of his adults and pursued pure pediatrics and the rest was history. Slightly complicated this story is that I believe another attending at the program told me that to support Dr. Goad's practice some of the other podiatrists purposely saw less pediatrics so that Goad's practice would have more patients. He had a very full entirely pediatric practice and it wasn't just teenagers - he saw young children to including unusual complicated neuromuscular disorders.

I spent a week with him. He was very nice and very interested in clubfoot. I saw more clubfoot with him in a week then I've seen in the rest of my training or career. Did quite a bit of casting and what not. I would not have described the week as incredibly surgical though other than nail surgery.

There's a "pediatric guru" who is up in the northeast that I've seen speak before. His entire business model appeared to be shamefully hardselling patients on orthotics for their kids by telling parents that if they don't buy orthotics for their kids then the kids will have feet like their parents.

Young people are interesting patients. They heal well. I've seen a metatarsal fracture heal on a child in like a week. There can be weird aspects to their stories like when you ultimately parse that the child's fracture was caused by their foot being hit by a brick that their parent threw. They can at times be bitchy and ungrateful ie. teenagers having flatfoot surgery. In most of medicine - pediatric doctors make less money because Medicaid is such a poor source of reimbursement. I personally enjoy treating the most common pediatric issues - ingrown toenails, calcaneal apophysitis, equinus, bunions, and flatfeet.

Pediatric ortho where I am is heavily focused on spinal deformities.
Dr. Harris is the attending who you are speaking of, he's faculty at Scholl and at Loyola's residency. He teaches Pediatric Orthopedics to Scholl Students. We've had guest lectures by Dr. Goad as well, both very much into pediatrics, and only ones I've heard of building a practice around that. Dr. Harris doesn't take adult patients at the Scholl Clinic, but maybe is different in his other practice sites.
 
I believe there is one or two acfas pediatric fellowships. I am not sure of their quality and as others have mentioned, I think it may be a struggle to find a situation that allows you to focus your career on peds. However, if you’re gonna chase that dream, this seems like a situation where fellowship training (again assuming it’s quality) may be helpful.
 

Dr Mitzi also. She was formally at kaiser for over a decade training resident before recently moving to sunny Florida.

I see kids for regular bread and butter every day stuffs but when it comes to severe angular deformities etc. I send to children's hospital to see a pediatric orthopedic to get long term treatment. I have been sent referrals for a lot of kids and I can tell that the flat foot is due to internal tibial torsion or genu valgus/varus. I just refer it out instead of trying to treat just the "flat foot" knowing fully well that the flat foot is due to compensation from the knees or hips.

As a podiatrist, we are already limited in what we can do for the body. Why further limit yourself? Better to see everything foot and ankle (and leg in Florida or even hand in Minnesota).
 
Most pediatric stuff in our scope can be treated conservatively. Severe deformities that require actual surgery are too rare to base a practice off of entirely. For most simple stuff like flat feet you don’t need to be cutting on a kid. How often are ped orthos doing surgical flatfoots on kids? Plot twist - rarely.
 
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Basically every pediatric encounter I have had (other than ingrown nails) is just educating the parents that whatever they are concerned about is developmentally normal or may never cause problems. I think rarely should anyone be considering elective foot surgery on pediatric patients. I saw only a couple in residency with juvenile bunions or the like. Leave most of that to the peds orthopedist who has way more experience than us anyways.
 
Private practice will be hard, and nearly impossible due to reimbursement issues. Medicaid accounts for 41% of all childbirth in the US. And many of these children with foot issues needing specialist care are more likely to stay on Medicaid.

Peds patients in my practice either come in for ingrown toenails or some type of neuromuscular disorder (CMT, toe walking autistic children, CP).

The reason they show up in my practice is usually because no one else wants to see them. Children's hospital of course will not see them for ingrown toenails, and the few pediatric orthos will not/unwilling to operate on their spastic dropfoot due to most of them are on Medicaid. I did some of these cases early on for boards so the local community thinks I still do them. But at this time the most I will do is brace or just a gastroc recession. My goal now is to make them braceable, but I can't survive on $500 reimbursement for a reconstruction case with 90 day global.
 
I will say this. We are profession that focuses in the foot and ankle. That is a small anatomic part of the body. You should be willing to treat everything you have experience in.

But limiting yourself in a profession that already has a narrow scope is financial suicide in my opinion.

The ROI in this profession is already poor. You take on risk becoming a podiatrist. Not everyone is going to get that hospital contract. Now you want to only focus on peds patients? Now you have limited your income stream significantly. Not a great move in my opinion.
 
The only peds patients I get are ingrowns/plantar warts. I occasionally get pediatric pes planus but imo there’s nothing to do but wait or if severe inserts/afo’s.

I’ve never seen a club foot. Not in all of podiatry school, residency, now being out in the real world….
 
The only peds patients I get are ingrowns/plantar warts. I occasionally get pediatric pes planus but imo there’s nothing to do but wait or if severe inserts/afo’s.

I’ve never seen a club foot. Not in all of podiatry school, residency, now being out in the real world….
Pediatricians are looking for clubfeet at birth so treatment can be initiated as soon as possible. Quite a few of the clubfeet I saw were tiny newborns in their mothers arms. You can also sometimes see neglected clubfeet or non-compliant clubfeet. I saw several cases of a boyfriend saying "well, he doesn't like the splint/brace so I don't make him wear it".

Every case I saw where the doctor didn't perform a TAL ultimately required a TAL later.

Food for thought:
(a) I saw a podiatrist refuse to perform a complete tentomy on a newborn and instead perform a Hoke. They were worried about "healing".
(b) Other countries jokingly perform an tenotomy in jungles and the desert, but I've seen a newborn taken to an operating room for a tenotomy. I suppose its not that uncommon, but its still an interesting commentary on the American healthcare system.
 
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