Pediatrics Vs. Family Medicine

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Hello, I am a relatively new third year medical student and have been sure I wanted to be a pediatrician since long before I even started medical school. I have always just loved kids, and I want to do outpatient Primary Care. However, my first rotation, Family Medicine, is almost over, and I have just loved it! The two specialties seem somewhat similiar because with both you get to know the whole family, watch and help kids grow up, and build relationships over time, except for the fact that many of the patients are adults also. My attendings have told me I can choose to focus more on children when Im in practice as well if I do FM. So now I am a bit confused. I know I have to wait until my pediatrics rotation to be sure, but I have already did a one year preceptorship in a pediatrics office last year, and just loved that! So did anyone else think about Family Medicine as well? What helped you decide? Thanks so much for your advice! :)

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If you are uncertain about doing a fellowship - and remember that folks change their minds a lot about this during residency in both directions, your options are much greater with peds or med/peds than with FM. Some subspecialty areas such as endocrine, rheum and others have a lot of long-term patient interactions. You might decide that you like acute care even....

If you "love" kids but really enjoy providing medical care to adults, then FM or med/peds might be a better choice than categorical peds. Most of us doing peds strongly prefer pediatric patients to adults, the med/peds folks like both.
 
I couldn't imagine the horror of taking care of adult patients. That's why I did pedi.

Also, you could consider med/peds ;)

I couldn't agree more with this. I'd rather be a toll booth attendant than take care of adults. i did two years of "adult" medicine in the army as a Battalion surgeon. Probably 25% of my patient's saw me for non-specific back pain. In my last year doing general peds, I saw one back pain patient.

On another note, I could NEVER do family medicine. I'm not comfortable with knowing a little about a lot. I was frustrated enough as a general pediatrician. Frankly, most family medicine programs grossly shortchange pediatrics. I think at my hospital, our FM residents did five or six months of pediatrics, compared to thirty-six for us.

I'm with OBP, unless you really want to deliver babies (and pay the incumbent malpractice) you should do med/peds.

Ed
 
Frankly, most family medicine programs grossly shortchange pediatrics. I think at my hospital, our FM residents did five or six months of pediatrics, compared to thirty-six for us.

I'm with OBP, unless you really want to deliver babies (and pay the incumbent malpractice) you should do med/peds.

Ed

Agree as well. To give some background, I trained at a dedicated children's hospital. We have 3 small FP programs in the area and those residents rotated through our wards as well as our ED. I supervised them as a senior resident, and I do so now as an attending in our dedicated peds ED. I also have a few friends who did their FP residency at large, good FP programs and now practice as attendings. Their feeling, as well as mine is that you just don't get enough peds exposure unless you go out of your way to get it. Even then you have to know the pedi 'red flags' and be willing to seek advice. Many tend to approach them as small adults, which is a good way to miss something and get burned. I've seen it happen plenty of times.

I'd ask yourself what you really want to do and where you want to practice. Are you looking to be the only doc in a rural town? Do you want to see sick kids or manages more complex ones? You can certainly see kids as an FP, but you'll probably be seeing well child checks and vaccinations along with some minor care type complaints. As a general pediatrician you'll see these things as well, but you'll also be expected know a lot about neonatal care (level 2 nursery and well baby). In addition, you're more likely to be managing kids who have multiple medical issues such as former 24 week premies who are discharged from the NICU after a long course or kids with metabolic/genetic syndromes.

If the OB/gyn stuff interests you then go FP, but I'd look closely at the liability and the scope of practice. One of my FP friends is doing an OB fellowship because she felt it wasn't covered enough in her residency. She wants to practice in a small town, and felt that she wouldn't be doing much OB/gyn if she went elsewhere. The guys over in the FP forum can probably give you a better feel for how much OB/gyn they are doing.

Med/peds trained people are very good and qualified at both peds and medicine, and I really think that's the way to go. Some of them subspecialize as well and continue to use both skill sets. For example, one of our cards guys is med/peds. He focuses on transitioning kids who have repaired congenital heart disease into the adult world, since few adult cardiologists have much experience with the pedi heart problems that persist (those kids only recently began to survive into adulthood).
 
I couldn't imagine the horror of taking care of adult patients. That's why I did pedi.

Also, you could consider med/peds ;)

Ditto. I'm just starting 4th year, but the thought of even one more year of adult medicine makes me want to stab my eye out with a fork. All of the FM docs I've been with have very low peds populations because they readily admit that most parents want to take their kids to a pediatrician.
 
I was thinking med/peds for a while, before settling on categorical peds, and the advice I got then was that you should only do med/peds if you absolutely cannot stand the thought of practicing without seeing both populations. If one age group is just an added bonus, but not a necessity, then you're probably better off just going into a categorical spot with your preferred age group - for me, that meant Peds won out.

I think with your dilemma, you need to decide on the OB portion and the necessity that is. If taking care of kids and adults is a must, then really you need to figure out FM vs med/peds, and for that, the major difference is the OB stuff - all the prenatal visits, deliveries and c-sections. If you can't live without that, then FM is the answer. If OB is just that "added bonus", you'll be better trained (and I say that unequivocally and without hesitation) if you do med/peds. You'll be board eligible in both fields, you'll have more options for fellowship, and you'll still have the option to just be a general practioner and see patients of every age. I think the stats for med/peds graduates is something like 60% of them continue to see children and adults when they finally reach practice.

Lastly, the advice I give to every third year student is this: as you try to decide on a specialty, focus on the medicine. Don't get swept up in how much you love this attending or how nice the residents were or that the nurses in the office were really sweet, because all those things can change, whereas the medicine will be the constant. If you don't really like the medicine you're doing, it's not going to matter who you work with...
 
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Lastly, the advice I give to every third year student is this: as you try to decide on a specialty, focus on the medicine. Don't get swept up in how much you love this attending or how nice the residents were or that the nurses in the office were really sweet, because all those things can change, whereas the medicine will be the constant. If you don't really like the medicine you're doing, it's not going to matter who you work with...

If I could add to this a bit. I recommend looking carefully not just at the "medicine" but at the patients themselves. Personally, I could not fathom sewing up lacerations on adult drunks but wouldn't mind sewing them up on 6 year olds who didn't land quite right off the swing. If you don't like your patient population, you won't like the job. Certainly for some folks this rules out pediatrics. They like kids but don't want to do things to them in a medical situation. That's fine. Don't be a pediatrician.

So, for a third year med student, even choosing pediatrics leads to huge options for the medicine you'll be doing. A neonatologist and an adolescent medicine doc are doing vastly different things. But, we are both advocating for children, caring for a non-adult population and receiving residency training in all aspects of pediatrics.
 
I thought I'd chime in because I found the discussion interesting.

I think the difference between FM and Peds is that when you pick FM, you make a commitment to primary care and taking care of people out in the community. I think that's the first and foremost difference and I think training reflects that. Pediatric training in FM residencies vary signficantly, mainly because communities vary significantly. Some programs will send FM residents to tertiary children's hospital for their inpatient services either working directly with an attending or with a pediatric residency team. Some programs (like the one I trained at) has its own pediatric service and pediatric floor in the community hospital. So, if you're evaluating the pediatric curriculum at FM residencies, that's something you need to look into.

It's true that in FM residencies, the curriculum exposes you to fewer months of pediatrics compared to a pediatric residency. That goes without saying. The one component to not discount is the continuity clinic component in FM residencies. FM residents spend increasing number of half-days in their own continuity clinic (ranging to 3-5 half-days in their own clinic), so a lot of general pediatric training occurs in the clinic if there so happens to be a big peds practice in the clinic and that component may not be immediately obvious when you gleam the FM block curriculum. Continuity clinic experience is interwoven through all 3 years. At my old program, residents felt adequately trained for outpatient pediatric medicine, because we spent 3 years doing it (in addition to the block rotations).

Making a commitment to primary care when you pick FM is, I think, an important point. Since many FM programs train out in the community, the training may underexpose the residents to a lot of the tertiary care needs (critical care, neurosurgery, surgical, etc) that pediatric residents would get. I don't feel too-too bad about it. In my community, many general pediatricians don't admit their own hospitalized kids (and instead admit to our pediatric hospitalist service whom the FM residents rotate through and take call for). And, in my community, it's nearly impossible to get pediatric subspecialist back up in the general acute hospitals. So, absent a PICU, we often times ship out our crashing kids after we stabilize them to the downtown univerisity hospital. So, I feel that my training is appropriate for what capabilities my hospital provides (5-10 beds for inpatient peds). Newborns are a different story. I have lots of back up for newborns at my hospital and get into the call rotation to take care of normal newborns. I have in-house neonatologists who back me up.

Regarding Ob/Gyn, I felt that learning obstetrics and prenatal care and maternity care helped me learn pediatrics better. I don't think the obstetric portion is necessarily the key differentiating point. Rather, I think the gynecology portion is more important part if you're in primary care and thought I had good training in that. And, having rotations dedicated to OB/Gyn gave me the relationship with the attendings that if I have a question about an outpatient gyn issue in a kid, I felt that I could ask the Ob/Gyn attending for advice if needed.

Now that I'm out, hospital wise, I admit my own kids for general pediatric issues (asthma, pyelo, appy, pneumonia, fever r/o sepsis, meningitis). I do my own LP's if the ED hasn't done them when they call me. I take newborns. If I have a kid who's requires more capability than the hospital can provide, I ship them out to the university. Outpatient wise, I see 20% pediatrics, 30% if you consider "older" kids, and 50% if you consider young adults. I work urgent care and have open slots for acutes and always work in someone who needs help right away (sutures, IV's, X-rays, fracture management).

Businesswise, I think my peds numbers is just about right. I like seeing kids, but picked FM because I didn't want to do it all the time. I think my peds numbers reflect the general population in my community, where there are more adults who need me than there are kids who need me; which helps my income. I don't feel that I compete that much with pediatricians because I take Medicaid and many pediatricians in my community have stopped taking care of these kids. Most of the private insurance kids I pick up are the ones who come to me because I also see their parents or older siblings, who've tagged on to me because I manage their urgent care/acute issues. I get a lot of school-age kids and up when kids feel like they've outgrown their previous pediatrician.

I think the one sore spot that I feel like I'm deficient on is the care of syndromic kids. In FM training, especially out in the community, you don't get to manage too many of these kids. And for the few I have, I have specialists on board. I will say that I see a lot of syndromic young-adults who've fallen off their pediatricians. I feel like I'm filling a gap/need in my community, because no one else will take care of these guys.

The other gap in my training is the acutely decompensating kid. I can manage the ventilator in the first 24 hours for an adult, but am less skilled in doing that for a kid/neonate in the first 24 hours. This is an artifact of the hospital I trained at. We didn't have a PICU out in the community. If this skill is what's called for in the community you want to practice in, either train in pediatrics or pick a resource-limited FM residency program (rural/county) where you get training/practice to those skills.

I think if you want to be a pediatric hospitalist, it's probably best to go through pediatrics or med-peds. Most med-peds programs are very inpatient oriented and very tertiary care oriented. And the thought of taking 2 boards to do primary care and keeping up with double the number of CME hours was unappetizing for me. For the amount of primary care physicians and lack of specialists out in the community as my community, I would've expected more med-peds trained physicians... but there isn't, and I don't know why.

I think if you're interested in outpatient primary care, I think FM training in peds may be sufficient. The decision really rests with whether or not you want to also take care of older patients and/or your patient's family members as well. The one advise I will give you is that if you do pick pediatrics with an interest in outpatient primary care, make sure you pick up lots of Gyn, ENT, Ortho, Sports Med, Uro, and Ophtho training and get lots of practice doing outpatient procedures (toenails, sutures, IV's, circs). These rotations/procedures are built into the FM curriculum that may not be built into a Gen Peds curriculum and are issues that come up all the time in outpatient clinics.
 
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I was thinking med/peds for a while, before settling on categorical peds, and the advice I got then was that you should only do med/peds if you absolutely cannot stand the thought of practicing without seeing both populations. If one age group is just an added bonus, but not a necessity, then you're probably better off just going into a categorical spot with your preferred age group - for me, that meant Peds won out.

I think with your dilemma, you need to decide on the OB portion and the necessity that is. If taking care of kids and adults is a must, then really you need to figure out FM vs med/peds, and for that, the major difference is the OB stuff - all the prenatal visits, deliveries and c-sections. If you can't live without that, then FM is the answer. If OB is just that "added bonus", you'll be better trained (and I say that unequivocally and without hesitation) if you do med/peds. You'll be board eligible in both fields, you'll have more options for fellowship, and you'll still have the option to just be a general practioner and see patients of every age. I think the stats for med/peds graduates is something like 60% of them continue to see children and adults when they finally reach practice.

Lastly, the advice I give to every third year student is this: as you try to decide on a specialty, focus on the medicine. Don't get swept up in how much you love this attending or how nice the residents were or that the nurses in the office were really sweet, because all those things can change, whereas the medicine will be the constant. If you don't really like the medicine you're doing, it's not going to matter who you work with...

Hello. I am a pre-med and I am glad that I came across this thread. I am working on my medical school applications and one of my secondaries is asking me to write about a specialty that I am interested in. I am interested in going into primary care. I am interested in family medicine and pediatrics. Is there any literature or websites that you could recommend so I can learn more about these fields?

Thank you for all your help.
 
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