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Not to be repetitive, considering the misdemeanor thread I saw a little bit down the page BUT

I was recently charged with DUI. Very recently. Obviously, when I filled out my secondaries, this was not the case, so of course I said NO to any pending criminal investigations.

The charge will be dismissed, but it will take about a year.

A) If I get an acceptance, will the school eventually find out?
B) Will they think I was being dishonest, despite the fact that this occurred AFTER I filled out the secondaries.
C) Does this completely ruin my changes at medical school?

And just for the record, I have NO other criminal record (not even a speeding ticket).
 
A- they probably will find out
B-i doubt they will think you were dishonest, but you might should try to contact them
C-not sure
 
Ouch.., CT isn't a pleasant state to get a DUI in. Prior to adjudication you're looking at what? 90 day or so suspension of your license. Not to mention the mandatory sentencing guidelines if you're found guilty.... I think its a ton of community service
 
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The charges will definitely be dismissed, because they let me do the alternative disposition for First-Time Offenders. As long as I complete some alcohol education classes, they will dismiss the charges, and then I can request them to be expunged from my record.

The reason I said it would take about year is because, it will be 15 weeks of classes, which I can only start once I'm allowed to drive in Connecticut (in 90 days), plus you know how long administrative processes tend to take.

But, long story short, in a year from now, they will be dismissed and expunged from my record, but this will most probably not occur before schools do their background checks. So I was worried about those background checks, I guess?
 
Ouch.., CT isn't a pleasant state to get a DUI in. Prior to adjudication you're looking at what? 90 day or so suspension of your license. Not to mention the mandatory sentencing guidelines if you're found guilty.... I think its a s*** ton of community service

CT isn't all that bad, I don't think...
 
The charges will definitely be dismissed, because they let me do the alternative disposition for First-Time Offenders. As long as I complete some alcohol education classes, they will dismiss the charges, and then I can request them to be expunged from my record.

The reason I said it would take about year is because, it will be 15 weeks of classes, which I can only start once I'm allowed to drive in Connecticut (in 90 days), plus you know how long administrative processes tend to take.

But, long story short, in a year from now, they will be dismissed and expunged from my record, but this will most probably not occur before schools do their background checks. So I was worried about those background checks, I guess?

I think that if anything comes up, most schools give you a chance to explain.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I'm 😱 about this (appropriately) and it's hard to find anybody who knows what really happens in this kind of situation.
 
My father is a lawyer who has done duii defense. I think that as a first offender, you will qualify for a diversion program which will require you to attend a drug and alcohol program. If you complete the diversion program in my state on the west coast, you do not have a criminal conviction on your record. But I believe that the arrest and the diversion program will still show up on a background check that the med school will do if you are accepted. I doubt that you will be able to hide this. You probably should disclose what happened. But talk with a lawyer in the state where you were charged so you understand your rights.
 
Ok, this sounds a lot like what happened to me a couple of years ago. But deferred adjudication is not a conviction, more like a suspended judgment. It's not on your record at the moment, though the arrest will be. Now the only way for the arrest to not show up on a background check is if it explicitly stated in your deferred adjudication terms that the arrest will be expunged upon completion of the terms. Also, keep in mind that it is possible to get off early if you get everything done very quickly. I took care of everything within the first couple of months and got off with what was suppose to be a year in about seven months.
 
Yea, that is a weird situation, so I'm not quite sure what to tell you. You could run a background check on yourself to find out though.
 
Yea, that is a weird situation, so I'm not quite sure what to tell you. You could run a background check on yourself to find out though.

I always wonder who you go to in order to get a legitimate, real one done though? I would be curious to see one on myself, just because I figure it's like a credit report in the sense that you should get one periodically, but again, where would you go to get one?
 
Damn... how many of you have been busted for DUI?

Hows this for a suggestion to avoid this unpleasant situation.... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE, *****.

It is really not that tough to plan ahead and get a designated driver or at least get a cab.
 
So can cops randomly ID people at a party?
 
Mine wasn't a DUI (I've never drank and drive in my life, and I never will), it was an MIP. I was standing in a garage with a can of beer at a party, cops walked in the driveway and started separating people and talking to them individually, saw that I was 20, took me away from the party, wrote me a ticket ... and I went back to my buddy's dorm. My car wasn't within a hundred miles of me, and I didn't even have my keys ... so no DUI for me!! And actually, my charges were dropped so ... I technically don't have any convictions (but I still worry).

That sounds like it was basically a ticket, kind of like a speeding ticket. All tickets are "citations." So the question is, if you get a ticket, and the charge is subsequently dropped, will it ever appear on your record? Maybe, in the police records of where it happened, but I highly doubt it would ever show up on a background check. That's what I would think...
 
Damn... how many of you have been busted for DUI?

Hows this for a suggestion to avoid this unpleasant situation.... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE, *****.

It is really not that tough to plan ahead and get a designated driver or at least get a cab.

I'm sure that was directed at potential future drunk drivers, and not myself. Wouldn't you think that after that horrific experience (you wouldn't believe the people I was in a cell with), I have no plans of ever having to even DEAL with a cop ever again? Sometimes an early mistake will change your life.

Your calling me a ***** is not exactly the thing that will teach me my lesson.
 
I found this very helpful. Looks like I'll be in the clear if my status at the time is pre-trial diversion....


Background Check to be Facilitated by the AAMC
Below you will find a search by search description of each check to be facilitated by the AAMC, and conducted by the AAMC's selected vendor, in support of the AAMC centralized criminal background check solution. Note that all criminal history searches will be conducted in order to collect criminal history as follows. The reports that result from these searches will not include criminal history in which the applicant: 1) was adjudicated as a juvenile, as reflected in public record; and 2) criminal matters with the following dispositions Judgment set aside, Deferred prosecution, Pre-trial Diversion, Pre-trial intervention, Acquitted, Dead docket, Discharged, Dismissed, Dropped and abandoned, Innocent, No Billed, No information filed, Nolle prosequi, STET Docket, Stricken off docket - with leave to reinstate, Warrant returned unserved, and Withdrawn.
 
Yeah, I had a pre-trial intervention/diversion and my charges were dropped ... so maybe they don't even want to see it??? I really don't think I will ever know until after a background check is done by aamc. Just a little advice though ... you will literally go insane trying to figure out everything that you possibly can about background checks, and questions on primary apps etc etc (trust me, I literally lost my mind over it - and there are threads somewhere on the forum that reflect that). I have honestly read everything available (and honestly even stuff released from AAMC seems to contradict itself in my situation), talked to people who worked with the program I went through, court clerks, the DA's office, and an attorney ... and I still get worried and unsure. I think the best thing to do is just answer honestly. If they don't ask about it ... don't give them information they don't want. However, don't hide anything.

I think on the primary application all it says about misdemeanors after you have applied is that you have to update schools within ten days if you are convicted ... I don't think you would have to, or it would come up on a background check.

Good advice, Jagger. Thanks for that.

Now, after a court appearance, it seems my file is now sealed, and will be until exactly one year from now, when it will be dismissed. I am assuming that it being sealed is a good thing, but now wondering if THAT will show up on the check.

Yeah..... without a doubt, I have learned my lesson about breaking the law.
 
I think its probably a good idea to consult with an attorney before answering any background questions. Then move forward and make sure you have a back-up plan if things don't work out.
 
I got a DUI also... Just know the right words to say at the right time during the interview. OR the right words to write during the essay! Hell, Id say MOST of the MDs go home to decanters full of gold label scotch. hehe
 
I'm sure that was directed at potential future drunk drivers, and not myself. Wouldn't you think that after that horrific experience (you wouldn't believe the people I was in a cell with), I have no plans of ever having to even DEAL with a cop ever again? Sometimes an early mistake will change your life.

Your calling me a ***** is not exactly the thing that will teach me my lesson.

I've heard the Tank is a nightmare. Glad you survived.

I was tempted to ask earlier, "Why the hell did you drink and drive?" but decided it was a moot point and that you've probably learned your lesson. Seems that's the case. That's a good thing. I'm glad you and everyone else came out of this alive and well.

I was in the ER when this girl was brought in. I won't even drive if I've had a glass of wine a few hours earlier, her face is all I see.
 
Ok, I'm no holy roller but why would anyone even think of driving drunk? Hopefully this doesn't appear on a background check because you seem whole-heartedly scared/sorry.

I've never drank to the point of intoxication while at a bar. If I'm driving then I fully realize I cannot get drunk. Not a novel concept. Sigh.
 
I got a DUI also... Just know the right words to say at the right time during the interview. OR the right words to write during the essay! Hell, Id say MOST of the MDs go home to decanters full of gold label scotch. hehe
There is a difference between drinking in your own home and getting behind the wheel of a 2-ton piece of machinery after drinking to intoxication. Although obvious, those surgeon general warnings are there for a reason.
 
I don't want to defend DUIs, but from what I saw in college driving drunk doesn't seem so stupid after you've been drinking. Once the alcohol starts flowing, things don't seem so unsafe to some people (i.e. my ex roommate for example). The line between right and wrong starts to blur and people think they're "okay" when they're really not. No one ever thinks the rules apply to them.

"I know I shouldn't drink and drive, but I have a really high tolerance so it's ok for me to drive even though I've had 5 beers in the last hour and a half."

My roommate got repeated DUIs and had to have that breathalyzer ignition thing installed.
 
Ok, I'm no holy roller but why would anyone even think of driving drunk? Hopefully this doesn't appear on a background check because you seem whole-heartedly scared/sorry.

I've never drank to the point of intoxication while at a bar. If I'm driving then I fully realize I cannot get drunk. Not a novel concept. Sigh.

A huge PROBLEM with DUI's is the fact that a person with a "DUI charge" is almost automatically perceived as a person whom is stumbling around, slurring words, or noncoherent. This is FAR from the truth. Legal limit is a BAC of .08 which of course is calculated on scene with a BREATHalizer. Whats odd is that the test is a BLOOD-alcohol test which is used to test the BREATH of a person which of course is used to convict people of DUI's. This test takes NO consideration into the metabolism and/or tolerance for a person body to consume alcohol. So... EX. Joe Doe gets pulled over for a blown headlight; has a 2 beers on his breath after dinner cause he forgot to bring his tooth brush to the steak house. Joe takes a sobriety test (which is NOT a "pass or fail" test) and does fine. Because of his breath the officers ask him to take a BREATHalizer. He complies. He blows a .10. Hes over the limit however Joe ALWAYS has at least a beer after a long day of work which indicates that the police are giving the wrong person a DUI because while the sobriety test is taking place; a 17yr old driver is passing by with a .10 whom has had 2 beers and is probably about to hit a pedestrian. It happened to me. When I obtain good credentials I will challenge the whole situation because as of now Its a plot to obtain money for the cities hidden by donations to certain charities. The END is that Joe is convicted of a DUI while the 17yr old "met" the pedestrian because he was SWRIVING lanes yet had all headlights operational.
 
A huge PROBLEM with DUI's is the fact that a person with a "DUI charge" is almost automatically perceived as a person whom is stumbling around, slurring words, or noncoherent. This is FAR from the truth. Legal limit is a BAC of .08 which of course is calculated on scene with a BREATHalizer. Whats odd is that the test is a BLOOD-alcohol test which is used to test the BREATH of a person which of course is used to convict people of DUI's. This test takes NO consideration into the metabolism and/or tolerance for a person body to consume alcohol. So... EX. Joe Doe gets pulled over for a blown headlight; has a 2 beers on his breath after dinner cause he forgot to bring his tooth brush to the steak house. Joe takes a sobriety test (which is NOT a "pass or fail" test) and does fine. Because of his breath the officers ask him to take a BREATHalizer. He complies. He blows a .10. Hes over the limit however Joe ALWAYS has at least a beer after a long day of work which indicates that the police are giving the wrong person a DUI because while the sobriety test is taking place; a 17yr old driver is passing by with a .10 whom has had 2 beers and is probably about to hit a pedestrian. It happened to me. When I obtain good credentials I will challenge the whole situation because as of now Its a plot to obtain money for the cities hidden by donations to certain charities. The END is that Joe is convicted of a DUI while the 17yr old "met" the pedestrian because he was SWRIVING lanes yet had all headlights operational.

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A huge PROBLEM with DUI's is the fact that a person with a "DUI charge" is almost automatically perceived as a person whom is stumbling around, slurring words, or noncoherent. This is FAR from the truth. Legal limit is a BAC of .08 which of course is calculated on scene with a BREATHalizer. Whats odd is that the test is a BLOOD-alcohol test which is used to test the BREATH of a person which of course is used to convict people of DUI's. This test takes NO consideration into the metabolism and/or tolerance for a person body to consume alcohol. So... EX. Joe Doe gets pulled over for a blown headlight; has a 2 beers on his breath after dinner cause he forgot to bring his tooth brush to the steak house. Joe takes a sobriety test (which is NOT a "pass or fail" test) and does fine. Because of his breath the officers ask him to take a BREATHalizer. He complies. He blows a .10. Hes over the limit however Joe ALWAYS has at least a beer after a long day of work which indicates that the police are giving the wrong person a DUI because while the sobriety test is taking place; a 17yr old driver is passing by with a .10 whom has had 2 beers and is probably about to hit a pedestrian. It happened to me. When I obtain good credentials I will challenge the whole situation because as of now Its a plot to obtain money for the cities hidden by donations to certain charities. The END is that Joe is convicted of a DUI while the 17yr old "met" the pedestrian because he was SWRIVING lanes yet had all headlights operational.

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2 beers = .10??????

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A huge PROBLEM with DUI's is the fact that a person with a "DUI charge" is almost automatically perceived as a person whom is stumbling around, slurring words, or noncoherent. This is FAR from the truth. Legal limit is a BAC of .08 which of course is calculated on scene with a BREATHalizer. Whats odd is that the test is a BLOOD-alcohol test which is used to test the BREATH of a person which of course is used to convict people of DUI's. This test takes NO consideration into the metabolism and/or tolerance for a person body to consume alcohol. So... EX. Joe Doe gets pulled over for a blown headlight; has a 2 beers on his breath after dinner cause he forgot to bring his tooth brush to the steak house. Joe takes a sobriety test (which is NOT a "pass or fail" test) and does fine. Because of his breath the officers ask him to take a BREATHalizer. He complies. He blows a .10. Hes over the limit however Joe ALWAYS has at least a beer after a long day of work which indicates that the police are giving the wrong person a DUI because while the sobriety test is taking place; a 17yr old driver is passing by with a .10 whom has had 2 beers and is probably about to hit a pedestrian. It happened to me. When I obtain good credentials I will challenge the whole situation because as of now Its a plot to obtain money for the cities hidden by donations to certain charities. The END is that Joe is convicted of a DUI while the 17yr old "met" the pedestrian because he was SWRIVING lanes yet had all headlights operational.

But considering blood-alcohol level is really a ratio- doesn't that already take your size into account? So maybe with your metabolism it goes down faster, but that doesn't change the fact that it's .10 while you're driving. Field sobriety tests aren't necessarily accurate, I managed to fail one while 100% sober and so I would imagine that you could pass one while drunk if you were concentrating. (Now that I think about it, I am guessing drunk people are going to be far more concentrated on passing than someone who is sober and just assumes they will pass.)
 
so, if you get a DUI and they let let you take the class rather than being convicted and whatnot...does that mean you don't end up with the whiskey plates on your car?
 
Damn... how many of you have been busted for DUI?

Hows this for a suggestion to avoid this unpleasant situation.... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE, *****.

It is really not that tough to plan ahead and get a designated driver or at least get a cab.

wow....why did it take that long for someone to mention the obvious

you drink, you drive, you suffer the consequences. quite frankly, i wouldnt want someone who was that irresponsible about alcohol as my doctor, and i hope medical schools share that view.
 
A huge PROBLEM with DUI's is the fact that a person with a "DUI charge" is almost automatically perceived as a person whom is stumbling around, slurring words, or noncoherent. This is FAR from the truth. Legal limit is a BAC of .08 which of course is calculated on scene with a BREATHalizer. Whats odd is that the test is a BLOOD-alcohol test which is used to test the BREATH of a person which of course is used to convict people of DUI's. This test takes NO consideration into the metabolism and/or tolerance for a person body to consume alcohol. So... EX. Joe Doe gets pulled over for a blown headlight; has a 2 beers on his breath after dinner cause he forgot to bring his tooth brush to the steak house. Joe takes a sobriety test (which is NOT a "pass or fail" test) and does fine. Because of his breath the officers ask him to take a BREATHalizer. He complies. He blows a .10. Hes over the limit however Joe ALWAYS has at least a beer after a long day of work which indicates that the police are giving the wrong person a DUI because while the sobriety test is taking place; a 17yr old driver is passing by with a .10 whom has had 2 beers and is probably about to hit a pedestrian. It happened to me. When I obtain good credentials I will challenge the whole situation because as of now Its a plot to obtain money for the cities hidden by donations to certain charities. The END is that Joe is convicted of a DUI while the 17yr old "met" the pedestrian because he was SWRIVING lanes yet had all headlights operational.
ONYX4000GT is providing an excellent example of exactly what not to say if you have a DUI on your record and have to talk to an adcom about it.

If you have a DUI PLEASE keep in mind with who you are talking to in your med school interview. You will be dealing with middle aged folks who have most likely done rotations in Emergency Medicine when they see the carnage that a$$holes who drive drunk provide every weekend. They have all worked the wards where they see victims of drunk drivers try to come back from horrific injury.

For any legal red flags on your application, adcoms are looking for two things: to see that you acknowledge what you did was wrong and your accountability. This is a sign of maturity. If you have it, the might overlook your DUI. If you pull some story of how unfair it is (this word is the bane of anyone over 30 who works with people under 25), the injustice of it all, or how you were really a victim here, expect that rejection letter in your mail any time.

Keep in mind that your interviewer does not decide if you get accepted, it's done by admissions committees. Many of us all know people who were killed in traffic accidents. Well, odds are 40% that the driver was drunk. So if you have the bad luck that an adcom member is a friend or family member of one of the 17,000 folks killed by drunk drivers each year, consider your application sunk.

You still have a chance at med school with a DUI. Many people pull it off every year. Just two recommendations: apply very widely (med school apps are so competitive that a black flag like a DUI will sink you at lots of schools) and have a good explanation. This is one of those situations where if you didn't learn from your mistake, you better fake it. And if you don't hold yourself accountable, you'd better learn to.

Nothing kills an application quicker than immaturity, and nothing looks more immature than someone who abused a drug, got behind the wheel and decided to risk the lives of innocent strangers for the sake of his own convenience. Own up to it. Any waffling on the subject and you're pretty much done in a med school interview.
 
For any legal red flags on your application, adcoms are looking for two things: to see that you acknowledge what you did was wrong and your accountability. This is a sign of maturity. If you have it, the might overlook your DUI. If you pull some story of how unfair it is (this word is the bane of anyone over 30 who works with people under 25), the injustice of it all, or how you were really a victim here, expect that rejection letter in your mail any time.


Word.
I have spoken to AdCom members about this issue, and (the above) is the one thing they all mention.

I would like to point out to any reading this thread apprehensively:
Your application isn't dead. Another DUI, or even a more *ahem* minor alcohol related offense, and it will be. Recidivism in DUI cases is obscenely high.
 
your application is not dead. similar thing happened to me in that i got charged with dui last year after i had sent in my amcas. i had to respond to some secondaries honestly that i was charged with a misdemeanor. i still got an interview at one of the schools i told. they asked about it, and i pretty much said what others in this thread suggested - just let them know that it was an uncharacteristic lapse in judgment, you know it is wrong, and it will not happen again, etc. etc. During the interviews, i didn't know if i would be convicted or not and that added a lot of stress. the charges were eventually dropped.

i didn't get in last round, but i don't blame the dui entirely (late getting apps in, average mcat, little experience, bad interviews...last year wasn't very good to me). now that all that stress/distraction is gone, i have worked at improving all that. i called that school back to see if i should bother re-applying there and they told me that my answer was satisfactory and that the charge was not really an issue, they just had lots of other good candidates. not sure if that was just polite b.s., but whatever. i am only going to focus on what i can change, not what i can't.

so, cardboardearrin, if you know this will all blow over in the end, consider taking a year off so that way you won't even have to worry about it. if you have any other questions, ask away (although i got charged in tn, which sounds like it has much different laws)

as for everyone else - i have learned my lesson, and try to share that "wisdom" (read: common sense) with others who do not yet see the light.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I'm 😱 about this (appropriately) and it's hard to find anybody who knows what really happens in this kind of situation.

I don't know the specifics, but no matter what happens you should concentrate on the fact that you are OK and that you didn't hurt yourself or anyone else. Try to think about it like you are lucky you got a DUI instead of getting wrapped around a telephone pole. People make mistakes, adcoms know this. Good luck with your applications.

**Note, I am not trying to be preachy or anything in my post above, but my father was killed by a drunk driver so I guess it's a sore subject. Like I said before, you are lucky. Find the silver lining and run with it.
 
Please don't drink and drive. Call a goddamn cab. Your life, and more importantly, those of considerate, law- abiding civilians are worth more than $20.
The fact that people are putting this off nonchalantly and encouraging OP to scrounge around for "the right words to say" pisses me off to no end.

If I were an adcom, I would be dead set against admitting this person. Very surprised that adcoms seem to feel differently.
 
if he hasnt been to court and given a verdict, does that get picked up by certiphi?

Don't work at certiphi, so I wouldn't be able to tell you. However, if OP does get caught trying to hide the DUI charge, OP can kiss med school goodbye. The primary and some secondaries state that if anything happens in regards to an infraction with the law after sending in the applications, you have to notify them within I believe 7 days about the matter.
 
Not to be repetitive, considering the misdemeanor thread I saw a little bit down the page BUT

I was recently charged with DUI. Very recently. Obviously, when I filled out my secondaries, this was not the case, so of course I said NO to any pending criminal investigations.

The charge will be dismissed, but it will take about a year.

A) If I get an acceptance, will the school eventually find out?
B) Will they think I was being dishonest, despite the fact that this occurred AFTER I filled out the secondaries.
C) Does this completely ruin my changes at medical school?

And just for the record, I have NO other criminal record (not even a speeding ticket).

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Damn... how many of you have been busted for DUI?

Hows this for a suggestion to avoid this unpleasant situation.... DONT DRINK AND DRIVE, *****.

It is really not that tough to plan ahead and get a designated driver or at least get a cab.

You don't get how hard it is. I really like drinking and I don't have money for cabs. Ergo, I obviously must risk the lives of others to drive home in my vehicle complete with air-conditioning and soothing lullaby music on the radio.

I'm sure that was directed at potential future drunk drivers, and not myself. Wouldn't you think that after that horrific experience (you wouldn't believe the people I was in a cell with), I have no plans of ever having to even DEAL with a cop ever again? Sometimes an early mistake will change your life.

Your calling me a ***** is not exactly the thing that will teach me my lesson.

Isn't it great when you're no longer sheltered from the harsh reality that you are the b*tch of your state government and you will follow their rules or be repeatedly beaten/a*sraped for months to years?

This is what maturity is.

I got a DUI also... Just know the right words to say at the right time during the interview. OR the right words to write during the essay! Hell, Id say MOST of the MDs go home to decanters full of gold label scotch. hehe

Have you been accepted or are you just assuming it's a breeze to convince them you're worth letting in when there's 100 other copies of you with no DUI?

Have personal experience that you are at least partially right about some docs.

My roommate got repeated DUIs and had to have that breathalyzer ignition thing installed.

Ah geez flashbacks. 😀😀
 
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