People unaware of the available stats on instate vs OOS interview offer %?

[efle]

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For example, Florida State Uni College of Medicine received ~2500 out of state applicants and interviewed less than a dozen. Northeast Ohio interviewed about a dozen from ~1500 OOS apps. Similar for East Tennessee, Rutgers, a few others.

Why the heck do thousands of people throw away their time and app fees like this? Friendliness towards OOS seems like it would be one of the top factors for building a list of schools to apply to.

So to anybody who hadn't realized how instate-dedicated some schools can be, check out the MSAR stats for the state schools on your list! Might find you want to replace a few that match your stats but don't interview more than a handful of OOS

 

[dbgehle]

US News Rankings actually gives more info than MSAR by providing number of interviews and acceptances given too, not just applicants and matriculants.

 

[Lamel]

What I have learned about Rutgers is that the MSAR numbers are a bit deceiving. OOS people end up changing their residency to NJ and then they are reported to MSAR. There is still of course heavy in-state bias, but maybe not as much as MSAR says.

Maybe that is what happens with other schools too?

 

[miamiheatfan]

You'd be surprised at how few people know about MSAR or have it and know to look just beyond the selection factors. I did not know about MSAR until I luckily went to my advisor for a random reason and she brought it up to me and explained to me what I needed to look at. Even now I tell many of my friends about MSAR and it is literally the first time they've heard of it.

 

[Doug Underhill]

Not everyone is a hyper-neurotic SDN stats lord who mumbles cGPA tenth percentiles in our sleep like we are. A fair number of these people don't even know what the MSAR is.

 

[efle]

Dang, people go through this whole process without using the MSAR? I can't even imagine that...no data....*shivers*

MSAR shows number of interviews offered, but good to know USN has acceptances as well

 

[miamiheatfan]

Dang, people go through this whole process without using the MSAR? I can't even imagine that...no data....*shivers*

MSAR shows number of interviews offered, but good to know USN has acceptances as well

Looking back I couldn't imagine either, MSAR was literally a lifesaver for me! I never bought US News though, the most important part to me was knowing about interviews. USN is good to have but I think people can do without it if they don't want to spend extra money.

 

[altblue]

Dang, people go through this whole process without using the MSAR? I can't even imagine that...no data....*shivers*

MSAR shows number of interviews offered, but good to know USN has acceptances as well

I wonder if the lack of knowing this information partially accounts for the sub-50% acceptance rate to at least one med school (whew!).

 

[tima]

I actually got the MSAR from the public library. There's no point in buying a book that you won't use after the cycle.

 

[WillburCobb]

Dang, people go through this whole process without using the MSAR? I can't even imagine that...no data....*shivers*

I made it as a low stats applicant without purchasing the MSAR. Plenty of accurate data is available on teh interwebz - you just have to do your homework.

 

[tima]

I made it as a low stars applicant without purchasing the MSAR. Plenty of accurate data is available on teh interwebz - you just have to do your homework.

Not all schools publish stats on their sites. Plus, who wants to spend all that time goggling when the info is in the MSAR?🙄

 

[WillburCobb]

Not all schools publish stats on their sites. Plus, who wants to spend all that time goggling when the info is in the MSAR?🙄

It honestly wasn't that much work or time on my part and I had no difficulty finding stats for schools; plus I didn't have to pay for it. I'm not denying the MSAR is a valuable resource, I just feel its not the end all, over-hyped resource it's made out to be. Also, I've encountered more people (this includes people in person and on SDN) who've paid for the MSAR and have no idea how to critically use the data in it and just apply however, than who actually look at and use the data properly.

 

[DesertSeaDiver]

i like to believe even when people have the data, they still think "why not try?" it costs $36 to send a primary app, and i think at least some people who have the MSAR/ USNews stats think they might as well give it a shot, especially if it's in a region they want to spend 4 years.

Edit: can anyone explain why when you abbreviate it is it comes up as Tis instead of it ' s ?

 

[jqueb29]

i like to believe even when people have the data, they still think "why not try?" it costs $36 to send a primary app, and i think at least some people who have the MSAR/ USNews stats think they might as well give it a shot, especially if Tis in a region they want to spend 4 years.

Edit: can anyone explain why when you abbreviate it is it comes up as Tis instead of it ' s ?

This has been driving me crazy too. I wonder if it's something for Christmas because i've noticed several T'was-es

 

[DesertSeaDiver]

This has been driving me crazy too. I wonder if Tis something for Christmas because i've noticed several T'was-es

i should've figured it out sooner, it ' s a holiday thing! TIS the season

 

[rushmore4]

What I have learned about Rutgers is that the MSAR numbers are a bit deceiving. OOS people end up changing their residency to NJ and then they are reported to MSAR. There is still of course heavy in-state bias, but maybe not as much as MSAR says.

Maybe that is what happens with other schools too?

I guess that could be a reason Rutgers is always in financial woes. Letting students change their residency to get lower tuition rates by 20k is insane. I go to CMSRU and am in-state but we are all explicitly told up front when we enroll that out of state matriculants agree to OOS tuition for all four years. I wonder why the other 2 NJ schools don't follow the same rule if what you are saying it true. Pretty dumb in my eyes...

 

[efle]

I'd be really interested to see the range of applicant numbers for some schools in addition to the accepted numbers. I wonder if some places due to location (like UCSD or UCLA) get massive numbers of underqualified applicants as a dream/reach school while others might get mostly applicants with matching/competitive stats.

 

[Doug Underhill]

Some people apply to Harvard or Yale because they want to be able to say they tried, even if they didn't make it. A rejection can be better than a life of uncertainty over whether or not they could have gone there.

 

[Afford]

What I have learned about Rutgers is that the MSAR numbers are a bit deceiving. OOS people end up changing their residency to NJ and then they are reported to MSAR. There is still of course heavy in-state bias, but maybe not as much as MSAR says.

Maybe that is what happens with other schools too?

How do they change their residency to NJ after they apply?

 

[12floz]

My school has a ~0.7% OOS acceptance rate. I applied OOS. I am happy I did.

If you want to go to a school, apply to it. $50 or whatever is just a drop in the bucket of the hundreds of thousands you are going to spend on your medical education.

People get all tied up in percentages forgetting that they are statistical constructs. If you're baller enough, you get in, and your individual acceptance rate is 100% regardless of others.

 

[Goro]

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken

That pretty much sums it up.

From multitudes of posts here on SDN, you'd be surprised at how many people have MSAR Online, yet make up their list of schools without ever looking at the "Acceptance Information" page, which would tell them exactly why non-Georgians shouldn't apply to Mercer, etc.

For example, Florida State Uni College of Medicine received ~2500 out of state applicants and interviewed less than a dozen. Northeast Ohio interviewed about a dozen from ~1500 OOS apps. Similar for East Tennessee, Rutgers, a few others.

Why the heck do thousands of people throw away their time and app fees like this? Friendliness towards OOS seems like it would be one of the top factors for building a list of schools to apply to.

So to anybody who hadn't realized how instate-dedicated some schools can be, check out the MSAR stats for the state schools on your list! Might find you want to replace a few that match your stats but don't interview more than a handful of OOS

 

[thirtysixorabove]

How do I find OOS stat on MSAR??
I read somewhere MSAR has information on 10 90 MCAT stat specific to OOS and IS but I can't find it anywhere on MSAR..

 

[Vain Brother]

you have to buy the full version, the free version doesn't have the 10-90s

 

[medic86]

How do I find OOS stat on MSAR??
I read somewhere MSAR has information on 10 90 MCAT stat specific to OOS and IS but I can't find it anywhere on MSAR..

You can find OOS interview/acceptance stats on the MSAR, but they don't have the 10th percentile and 90th percentile stats for MCAT/GPA split into IS and OOS categories.

 

[SufiPoet]

1) No one looks at the MSAR (Premeds at my school were actually surprised state medical schools had a bias for IS because they said to me, "Medicine is privatized in the United States." I was speechless.

2) Some people like to test their odds. Oh their GPA is near my low-ish GPA? Oh their MCAT is near my low-ish MCAT? I should probably give it a go.

3) Their sig oth lives there, family lives there, international students who grew up in the state, ect. ect.

4) I only have a 3.75 cGPA and a 32 MCAT, my stats suck, I'm going to apply to 40 schools and not really research anything (More than you think).


What I'm trying to say, there are multitude of reasonings, some with substance, others without.