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I disagree. Perhaps your PS does need editing, but I wouldn't scrap including God if that's an honest contributor to why you want to go into medicine. I didn't dwell on my faith in my PS or interviews, but it did come up and as far as I can tell it never hurt me in an interview. In fact, some of my interviewers opened up to me about their faith more than I did when the topic presented itself. I'd be happy to take a look at your PS if you'd like.
Here's what I would do if I were you. Take this:
-Talk about abstract idea and tie it to faith/God
-eventually I tie faith to why I want to go into med.
Substitute a value that you have, that is part of your religion, in place of faith/God. For example, you might value laboring for the good of something greater than yourself, or using your strengths (logical/science-oriented + compassionate) to make the world a better place. Those values might relate to your religion, and that connection might be important to you, but you don't have to explicitly write about your religion. End result:
-Talk about abstract idea and tie it to my values
-eventually I tie values to why I want to go into med.
Some people find certain religions offensive. It's unfortunate but true. Or they might wonder whether you would still want to be a doctor if you lost your faith (which does happen to some people). For these reasons, I would avoid writing about religion at this stage of the game. Most people will accept you for who you are, but you don't want to gamble your future on a few people's reactions to such a controversial topic.
I see exactly what you are saying. The thing is that many advisors always tell pre med students about being genuine about why they want to go into medicine, but when you take a bold stance and state the reasons why ( no matter how concrete or abstract the reason may be, in my case it is an abstract reason as to why i want to go into med) advisors start to back pedal. I just want to be true to who I am. I feel that it would give my a good understanding as to which med school will be the right fit for me.
I wish we had Advisor 2's email address.
As of late, I've been preparing for the upcoming cycle and I finished writing my personal statement.
The basic content of my personal statement goes like this...
-Talk about abstract idea and tie it to faith/God
-eventually I tie faith to why I want to go into med.
These were the reactions/statements I received.
Advisor 1- "Very honest/genuine but risky approach"
Advisor 2- "I encourage you to completely start over but at the same
time,the letter was different and memorable/charming"
(Advisor 2 talks to colleagues/professors that are involved in pre med process and they all said that I cant communicate effectivly and that they would reject me immediately after reading my letter. Advisor 2 also thought that mentioning God/Faith was offensive)
Advisor 3- "I really like the paper, I think it is really good!"
I feel that my approach was the most effective/genuine way of introducing myself. I feel that if a medical school wants me, it wont be because I fit the mold of the ideal student, and have a letter that fits the ideal letter, but I rather would want to be accepted to a school that cherishes diversity and my values. Personally, I see the risks and I'm prepared to be rejected from a lot of schools.
Questions for SDN, LizzyM, etc.
What are your thoughts? Would you take the advice of Advisor 2 or would you stick with your personal beliefs?
I feel if I trash my paper, then I'm being dishonest with myself.
Dude we got it, you don't like advisor 2's opinion.
I think you guys might at least consider the possibility though that there are ways of writing about God/faith that might indeed be inappropriate on an admission essay. Or the OP might just not be able to write very well, and statements about faith come off sounding offensive to some people. Just a thought before you advocate harassing somebody you don't even know.
+1lol @ the poster itching to fight for his deity! You go!
There are many, many ways to talk about god that would be considered offensive by even the most accomodating reader. I would like to hear op's supernatural reasons for wanting to go into medical school.
Care to share, op?
You might also want to consider applying to schools where religion is a part of their school culture. I can't remember if AMCAS allowed you to designate certain PS's to certain schools like other application databases but if so, you might also consider drafting multiple statements for various schools.
Ok well can you please tell us what you talked about? I'm just curious.My PS included a significant emphasis on a topic that I knew would be "risky." It was nothing to do with faith/god. Actually, I think my subject might have been even more "risky" than a faith/god topic, but it was so much a part of who I am and why I am interested in medicine and research, that I didn't see any other way to represent myself.
I took the risk, tried to just tell my story and not be too "in your face" about my path, and I don't know if it hurt me at some of the schools where I applied. I applied at 20 schools and received interviews at 10, I have one acceptance. I did not receive an interview at most of my so called "safety schools" (ie schools where my stats well exceeded the schools average per MSAR). But I will never know if the content of my PS was the limiting factor.
I can tell you that I was asked about the situation I discussed in my PS by nearly every interviewer. Several interviewers expressed a strong opinion about the content of my PS. So, if you take the risk, you need to be prepared to respond in an appropriate way when it comes up in your interviews.
Good Luck!
Your PS goes to all schools and you cannot send different ones to different schools.
However, most schools have secondary essays specific to them.
So, make your PS appeal to all. If you apply to a more "religious" school, you can make your secondary a bit more focused on religion.
However, the only school I know that seems really religious is Loma Linda. There are four Jesuit schools (Georgetown, Creighton, Loyola, St. Louis U). While Jesuit and talk about religious ideals, mostly in regards to serving the underserved, all of them still seem pretty secular.
this thread. i like where it is going.
Where's Etzio when you need him?this thread. i like where it is going.
Where's Etzio when you need him?
+1You people are forgetting that for all intents and purposes medical schools choose people who are entering a professional world. In the professional world, it is considered inappropriate to talk about your religious beliefs. Find something else to talk about my friend.
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It's a med school application, not a divinity school application. It's not your 5 minutes with a microphone to proselytize at Bible class.
It's fine to take a risk when the outcome is a significant advantage you wouldn't otherwise have. In this case, the overwhelming likelihood is that the consequence will be neutral or negative. There's no benefit and a likely detriment. Why would you choose to pass on an opportunity to write an essay that would have broad appeal and make a positive impression?
The Bible, Torah, Quran, etc. never tells people to be doctors. Mostly they do not make a big case about healing people physically at all.
I don't know about the Torah and the Quran, but the Bible in fact does make quite a big deal about the healing of the ill. That was one of the primary things Jesus did, as recorded by the gospels.
I cant say for sure that I know any of you taking the "Don't Do This" stance are right or wrong, but consider this: if the OP does make a faith-based personal statement and admissions committees deny him/her admission based solely on that, it is discrimination. Most school's non-discrimination statements include a statement about religion. I understand that the reality is likely different than theory, but as long as the OP keeps it professional, there should be no reason why having faith as a motivation to go into medicine should be a problem.
That being said, OP, I suggest if you decide to go this route, make sure to take all of the constructive advice that has been offered here. Use your faith to explain your values, and use your values to explain why you want to go into medicine. As others have noted, faith can change sometimes, but your values are (typically) less likely to change. Or at least that will be the perception by anyone reading your statement. You should also make sure that you feel comfortable applying to all of the schools with religious affiliations mentioned earlier in this thread: Loma Linda and the four Jesuit schools. Those are the places where your faith will probably fit in the best.
Edit: @goldenwest-I realized my message to you might come across as snotty and that truly wasn't my intention. Just to mention that in the Bible, healing is an important theme.
My PS included a significant emphasis on a topic that I knew would be "risky." It was nothing to do with faith/god. Actually, I think my subject might have been even more "risky" than a faith/god topic, but it was so much a part of who I am and why I am interested in medicine and research, that I didn't see any other way to represent myself.
I took the risk, tried to just tell my story and not be too "in your face" about my path, and I don't know if it hurt me at some of the schools where I applied. I applied at 20 schools and received interviews at 10, I have one acceptance. I did not receive an interview at most of my so called "safety schools" (ie schools where my stats well exceeded the schools average per MSAR). But I will never know if the content of my PS was the limiting factor.
I can tell you that I was asked about the situation I discussed in my PS by nearly every interviewer. Several interviewers expressed a strong opinion about the content of my PS. So, if you take the risk, you need to be prepared to respond in an appropriate way when it comes up in your interviews.
Good Luck!
You people are forgetting that for all intents and purposes medical schools choose people who are entering a professional world. In the professional world, it is considered inappropriate to talk about your religious beliefs. Find something else to talk about my friend.
Methinks...homosexuality?
I went through a similar process when drafting my PS last year. I chose to include my experience with a 'missions' trip I went on and my experience at a christian summer camp that I worked at, however, I didn't bring up my faith directly. I eventually realized that I needed to write a statement that would be received well while being honest with myself and my readers. I think you can do both without being overly religious.As of late, I've been preparing for the upcoming cycle and I finished writing my personal statement.
The basic content of my personal statement goes like this...
-Talk about abstract idea and tie it to faith/God
-eventually I tie faith to why I want to go into med.
These were the reactions/statements I received.
Advisor 1- "Very honest/genuine but risky approach"
Advisor 2- "I encourage you to completely start over but at the same
time,the letter was different and memorable/charming"
(Advisor 2 talks to colleagues/professors that are involved in pre med process and they all said that I cant communicate effectivly and that they would reject me immediately after reading my letter. Advisor 2 also thought that mentioning God/Faith was offensive)
Advisor 3- "I really like the paper, I think it is really good!"
I feel that my approach was the most effective/genuine way of introducing myself. I feel that if a medical school wants me, it wont be because I fit the mold of the ideal student, and have a letter that fits the ideal letter, but I rather would want to be accepted to a school that cherishes diversity and my values. Personally, I see the risks and I'm prepared to be rejected from a lot of schools.
Questions for SDN, LizzyM, etc.
What are your thoughts? Would you take the advice of Advisor 2 or would you stick with your personal beliefs?
I feel if I trash my paper, then I'm being dishonest with myself.
at the end of the day you, and every other student, has to fit the mold.