Personal Statements from Trolls?

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I don't know where to put this thread, so I'm putting it here.

I signed up on SDN to volunteer to read folks personal statements. So far I've had several requests - all but one were from people who have under 5 posts on SDN.

Where are the legit people who need their personal statements looked at? Seems like just trolls are asking to have their statements read.
 
you trollin' right now?
 
Would you prefer to get personal statements from muffeoniv and ponybreeder4? Just because they're not active contributors doesn't make them trolls. If you're not comfortable giving them personal statement advice then perhaps you should put some stipulations on your personal statement reading service.
 
Would you prefer to get personal statements from muffeoniv and ponybreeder4? Just because they're not active contributors doesn't make them trolls. If you're not comfortable giving them personal statement advice then perhaps you should put some stipulations on your personal statement reading service.

Agreed. What about those who want to stay somewhat anonymous? 😕
 
I don't know where to put this thread, so I'm putting it here.

I signed up on SDN to volunteer to read folks personal statements. So far I've had several requests - all but one were from people who have under 5 posts on SDN.

Where are the legit people who need their personal statements looked at? Seems like just trolls are asking to have their statements read.

Seems like you're insinuating that few post counts = troll. Do you even know what troll means? Were their PS's trollish? If so, ignore and just post to warn others. I'm sure plenty of people are making an account JUST for the sake of PS help. There are numerous abandoned accounts from people who needed help with just one thing or question. It's not all that surprising to me that the majority of your requests come from those with low posts counts.

Also note, you don't exactly have a high post count yourself.
 
I would like to read a troll PS.
 
I don't know where to put this thread, so I'm putting it here.

I signed up on SDN to volunteer to read folks personal statements. So far I've had several requests - all but one were from people who have under 5 posts on SDN.

Where are the legit people who need their personal statements looked at? Seems like just trolls are asking to have their statements read.

proof that some SDNers don't know what a troll is ....this is why it is almost guaranteed that the OP will inevitably be called a troll in most threads
 
Seems like you're insinuating that few post counts = troll. Do you even know what troll means? Were their PS's trollish? If so, ignore and just post to warn others. I'm sure plenty of people are making an account JUST for the sake of PS help. There are numerous abandoned accounts from people who needed help with just one thing or question. It's not all that surprising to me that the majority of your requests come from those with low posts counts.

Agreed. Low post counts aren't surprising, and I haven't come across any clearly trolling statements so far.

BTW, mafunk, it may have been better (i.e. run less risk of being flamed) to PM the other PS reader volunteers to see if their experience bears yours out. 🙂
 
I just felt the need to chime in here as well.

I'm not a regular poster, as I mostly just browse threads to get advice for questions that have already been answered.

Since you volunteered your services, it is your choice as to whose PS you choose to read and you definitely aren't committeed to reading every single PS sent your way.

Just keep in mind though that you might be missing out on helping many people who legitimately need their PS read. I have a low post count, but have used the PS Reader service and have gotten loads of amazing help.

As others have said, a low post count doesn't necessarily mean trolls 🙂

Thanks though, mafunk, and others for offering to read PSs - you guys are an invaluable part of this whole application process!
 
odds are the PSs OP read aren't so much trollish as appallingly written - hence OP's conflating the two.

"this PS is so bad, this person MUST be trollin me lolz"
 
I signed up to read PSs last summer, and some of them - and by some of them I mean most of them - are absolutely horrendous. I'm honestly surprised that anyone decided that was the best work they could do.

Horrendous as in, can't speeeeeel or construct a proper sentence or their reasons for medicine are so 😱 that you're like RU4REAL

I think I've only had one essay where I wanted to throw up in my mouth.
 
There are actually some PS readers who don't want to read your PS if you don't have a post history.

Just trying to clarify to the OP that it's okay to give a person a chance even if they don't have a lot of posts 🙂


odds are the PSs OP read aren't so much trollish as appallingly written - hence OP's conflating the two.

"this PS is so bad, this person MUST be trollin me lolz"
 
Actually I've been a web developer for over 10 years so I'm quite familiar with the term 'troll'. Maybe 'spammer' is a better word. The real word is 'user' or 'exploiter' but I didn't want to be mean.

Anyway, my concern is this: There are numerous college application services online. I don't want to basically help edit an essay from someone who is passing the work on to me, but then charging someone else.

This type of thing happens ALL THE TIME. I own over 25 of topic specific websites and very frequently get emails from people trying to exploit my kindness. They start out by asking a couple questions, before you know it you realize they are trying to get you to write an article for them (basically), which they then resell or use as internet content. It's very common ...

I've also hired many subcontractors to develop content for my sites and I've had to let some go due to plagiarism. There are dishonest practices online so I only want to edit essays from people who have proven that they are part of the community. Someone who has one post, the same day the ask me to read their essay, looks suspicious.
 
Actually I've been a web developer for over 10 years so I'm quite familiar with the term 'troll'. Maybe 'spammer' is a better word. The real word is 'user' or 'exploiter' but I didn't want to be mean.

Anyway, my concern is this: There are numerous college application services online. I don't want to basically help edit an essay from someone who is passing the work on to me, but then charging someone else.

This type of thing happens ALL THE TIME. I own over 25 of topic specific websites and very frequently get emails from people trying to exploit my kindness. They start out by asking a couple questions, before you know it you realize they are trying to get you to write an article for them (basically), which they then resell or use as internet content. It's very common ...

I've also hired many subcontractors to develop content for my sites and I've had to let some go due to plagiarism. There are dishonest practices online so I only want to edit essays from people who have proven that they are part of the community. Someone who has one post, the same day the ask me to read their essay, looks suspicious.

Then why did you volunteer to help? 🙄
 
i'm impressed. writing a personal statement as a troll to only one reader is innovative in the troll game.
 
Horrendous as in, can't speeeeeel or construct a proper sentence or their reasons for medicine are so 😱 that you're like RU4REAL

I think I've only had one essay where I wanted to throw up in my mouth.

Usually the former, but occasionally the latter. The average student's writing ability is absolutely horrible. It would truly astonish you.
 
There are dishonest practices online so I only want to edit essays from people who have proven that they are part of the community. Someone who has one post, the same day the ask me to read their essay, looks suspicious.

It's certainly your prerogative to screen requests as you've described. However, given the personal nature of...personal statements, a lack of post history isn't an automatic red flag, for the reasons already mentioned.

It's also your prerogative to engage as much or as little in the review process as you like. For my part, I don't rewrite statements (except for grammar and spelling corrections) but only provide comments and advice.

If you're still concerned, then I recommend you update your post in the volunteer thread to indicate that you want only people with a tangible history of posting in the forums.
 
Just to throw it out there to PS readers, it seems perhaps a bit unprofessional/unethical (or maybe just uncool) to come on here and complain about the PSs you've read. People are reaching out to you for help, and it's sort of a betrayal to come on here and say that they make you want to puke/are terrible. I haven't used the SDN PS readers (my gf is a reader tho), but I'd probably be less likely to come use it if I thought the person who read my PS (who would obviously be easily identifiable by their handle) was going to come on here and say all the PSs were terrible. You may not be specifically singling out one PS, but still, its just a little uncool. If they are terrible, help them fix it, and quit bitching 🙂
 
Just to throw it out there to PS readers, it seems perhaps a bit unprofessional/unethical (or maybe just uncool) to come on here and complain about the PSs you've read. People are reaching out to you for help, and it's sort of a betrayal to come on here and say that they make you want to puke/are terrible. I haven't used the SDN PS readers (my gf is a reader tho), but I'd probably be less likely to come use it if I thought the person who read my PS (who would obviously be easily identifiable by their handle) was going to come on here and say all the PSs were terrible. You may not be specifically singling out one PS, but still, its just a little uncool. If they are terrible, help them fix it, and quit bitching 🙂

SDN is supposed to be professional?

....oh.
 
I would imagine it was looked at as more of a PSA for both readers and writers alike to put together a product that you are are proud of, and think complete, before subjecting a volunteer PS reader to reading and editing it. My feeling is that by having volunteer readers, there is a certain amount of self-editing that gets lost by a lot of the submitters. That is incredibly frustrating, as Nick alluded. Give us something decent to work with, not your first, roughest draft.

Just to throw it out there to PS readers, it seems perhaps a bit unprofessional/unethical (or maybe just uncool) to come on here and complain about the PSs you've read. People are reaching out to you for help, and it's sort of a betrayal to come on here and say that they make you want to puke/are terrible. I haven't used the SDN PS readers (my gf is a reader tho), but I'd probably be less likely to come use it if I thought the person who read my PS (who would obviously be easily identifiable by their handle) was going to come on here and say all the PSs were terrible. You may not be specifically singling out one PS, but still, its just a little uncool. If they are terrible, help them fix it, and quit bitching 🙂
 
I would imagine it was looked at as more of a PSA for both readers and writers alike to put together a product that you are are proud of, and think complete, before subjecting a volunteer PS reader to reading and editing it. My feeling is that by having volunteer readers, there is a certain amount of self-editing that gets lost by a lot of the submitters. That is incredibly frustrating, as Nick alluded. Give us something decent to work with, not your first, roughest draft.

I absolutely agree, and as a PSA, OK. Put forth your best effort before sending it out, by all means. But in general, it would be shame if this thread degenerated in to "Let's all **** on people who did put forth a genuine effort and trusted others with their thoughts."
 
I absolutely agree, and as a PSA, OK. Put forth your best effort before sending it out, by all means. But in general, it would be shame if this thread degenerated in to "Let's all **** on people who did put forth a genuine effort and trusted others with their thoughts."

After you rock the MCAT and get some acceptances, you'll throw you hat into the ring to read some of them. You'll see. "Genuine effort." That's rich, my friend.
 
Just to throw it out there to PS readers, it seems perhaps a bit unprofessional/unethical (or maybe just uncool) to come on here and complain about the PSs you've read. People are reaching out to you for help, and it's sort of a betrayal to come on here and say that they make you want to puke/are terrible. I haven't used the SDN PS readers (my gf is a reader tho), but I'd probably be less likely to come use it if I thought the person who read my PS (who would obviously be easily identifiable by their handle) was going to come on here and say all the PSs were terrible. You may not be specifically singling out one PS, but still, its just a little uncool. If they are terrible, help them fix it, and quit bitching 🙂


I already explained to the student (who isn't on SDN anymore) what parts of the essay struck a nerve with me and why it struck a nerve with me. Poor people don't need pity.
 
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Anyway, I have been reading through lots of SDN threads over the past few days since I'll be applying this cycle. I saw the PS reviewer thread and thought it was a pretty cool idea. I plan to have my wife, parents, and mother-in-law read my PS, but I would really like another impartial opinion or two.

If a reviewer has stipulations about who they won't read, then they should just write that in their little bio in the thread of volunteers. I would certainly respect that.

I don't think I'm a troll for asking for some help from volunteers. I'm sorry for not posting on SDN throughout high school and undergrad. My school offered classes for premeds with the premed advisor, so I got most of my premedical advice from sources other than SDN.

I guess I'll remember not to send my PS to mafunk since my post count is 1.
 
Hey all - I'm sorry to any and all who took personal offense to my question/post. I certainly didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I just was hoping to get more personal statements from established posters. To that end... IT WORKED.

I now have four personal statements to read over the weekend - cool! I took a quick glance at one and the guy starts out with a very catchy statement, so I'm hopeful for the rest of his essay.

BTW - where is the PS thread? I will ammend my offer but can't seem to find the thread again.
 
Where are the legit people who need their personal statements looked at? Seems like just trolls are asking to have their statements read.

I, for one, would LOOOVE to read a troll Personal Statement. In this thread. Right now. :xf:😀

Edit: It's got to hit all the major cliches, like "my parents were doctors" and "I like to help people".
 
What a "troll" personal statement might look like:

I have been interested in medicine since childhood. This curiosity began, when at the age of five I saw a video of child birth. I was mesmerized by this miracle of life and by the thought of being involved in something as wonderful throughout my life. My decision to study medicine has been strengthened by my enjoyment and success in both my MYP and IB biology and chemistry courses. I am fascinated by the complexity of the human body and the functions it carries out. The aspects which fascinate me most about medicine are being able to help and care for people whilst understanding the sophisticated processes which happen within the human body. Furthermore medicine would suit me as a person because of the ever developing new scientific discoveries, medicine has reached an endless scope with unlimited possibilities which would fulfil my prospects in life.

My involvement in a voluntary programme this summer has reinforced my decision to study a degree in medicine. I visited Poland with a group of students to help in a local hospital. My group was assigned to the neurology floor where we cleaned the patients, made their bed and kept them. Although we didn’t do anything particularly medical, I was able to experience a hospital and learn about caring and responsibility. This experience was extremely rewarding for me as it made me grow not only as a person but as a prospective medical student. I also attended a first aid class where I learned the procedures that should be carried out in an emergency.

Besides my interest in medicine, I have strong interests for music and languages. I have been playing the flute for almost 4 years and I have constantly improved through practice, my progress is obvious in the various concerts I play at throughout the year. I also enjoy learning languages. Spending a year in Germany, in a boarding school when I was 12 years old helped me to learn German from scratch and made me a more independent and outgoing person. I still go to classes to improve my German and prepare myself for various official German exams. Being almost trilingual has also helped me with another hobby, travelling, I love to see different countries throughout the world, and most importantly in order to learn more about different cultures and to meet different people.

Having participated for three years in Model United Nations has helped me to significantly develop some important skills particularly useful within the medical profession such as speech writing, communicating and team work. In these conferences I have represented countries as varied as Tanzania and the United Arab Emirates. I was an ambassador in one of the conferences which consequently increased my leadership skills. It was at this point that my mother got scared and said, "you're moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air." I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and had dice in the mirror. If anything, I could say that this cab was rare but I thought, "nah forget it, yo homes to Bel-Air!" I pulled up to a house about 7 or 8. I yelled to the cabby, "yo homes, smell you later." I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air.
 
I, for one, would LOOOVE to read a troll Personal Statement. In this thread. Right now. :xf:😀

Edit: It's got to hit all the major cliches, like "my parents were doctors" and "I like to help people".

here is a famous one from Panda

“Mbuto.”
My African driver springs to his feet.
“Yes, Sahib.”
“Pass me another baby, I think this one has died.” I lay the dead infant in the pile by my feet. What I’d really like him to do is pass me an ice-cold bottle of the local beer. Compassion is hot, thirsty work. There is no ice in this wretched refugee camp, mores the pity, but as I’m here to help I will suffer in silence. I stare into the eyes of the African baby who is suffering from HIV or dengue fever or something gross and look out into the hot, dusty savannah and ask, “Why? Why gender-neutral and non-judgmental Deity (or Deities) does this have to happen?”
“And Why, Mbuto, is the air-conditioning on my Land Rover broken again?”
“One thousand pardons, Sahib, but the parts have not arrived.”
I will suffer. I have lived a life of privilege and my suffering serves to link me to the suffering of mankind. I roll the window down. God it’s hot. How can people live here? Why don’t they move where it’s cool? Still, I see by the vacant stare from the walking skeletons who insist on blocking the road that they appreciate my compassion and I know that in a small way, I am making a difference in their lives.
Africa. Oh wretched continent! How long must you suffer? How long will you provide the venue to compensate for a low MCAT score? How many must die before I am accepted to a top-tier medical school?
When did I first discover that I, myself, desired to be a doctor? Some come to the decision late in life, often not until the age of five. The non-traditional applicants might not know until they are seven or even, as hard as it is to believe, until the end of ninth grade. I came, myself, to the realization that I, myself, wanted to be a doctor on the way through the birth canal when I realized that my large head was causing a partial third degree vaginal laceration. I quickly threw a couple of sutures into the fascia between contractions so strong was my desire to help people.
My dedication to service was just beginning. At five I was counseling the first-graders on their reproductive options. By twelve I was volunteering at a suicide crisis center/free needle exchange hot-line for troubled transgendered teens. I’ll never forget Jose, a young Hispanic male with HIV who had just been kicked out of his casa by his conservative Catholic parents. He had turned to black tar heroin as his only solace and he was literally at the end of his rope when he called.
“How about a condom, Hose,” I asked. The J, as you know, is pronounced like an H in Spanish.
Annoying silence on the line. Hesus, I was there to help him.
“Condoms will solve all of your problems,” I continued, “In fact, in a paper of which I was listed as the fourth author, we found that condoms prevent all kinds of diseases including HIV which I have a suspicion is the root of your depression.”
More silence. No one had ever had such a rapport with him. He was speechless and grateful and I took his sobs as evidence of my compassion.
“Hey, it was double-blinded and placebo controlled, vato.” Cultural competence is important and I value my diverse upbringing which has exposed me to peoples of many different ethnicities. I always say “What up, Homes?” to the nice young negroes who assemble my Big Mac and I think they accept me as a soul brother.
“We also have needles, amigo. Clean needles would prevent HIV too.”
My desire to be a physician has mirrored my desire to actualize my potential to serve humanity in many capacities. This may be something unheard of from medical school applicant but I have a strong desire to help people. I manifest this desire by my dedication to obtaining all kinds of exposure to all different kinds of people but mostly those from underserved and underprivileged populations. In fact, during a stint in a Doctors Without Borders spin-off chapter I learned the true meaning of underserved while staffing a mall health care pavilion in La Jolla, California.
Most of my friends are black or latino and I am a “Junior Cousin” of the Nation of Islam where I teach infidel abasement techniques to the Mohammed (PBUHN) Scouts. I also am active in the fight for women’s reproductive rights except of course for women in Afghanistan who were better off before our current racist war.
As Maya Angelou once said, “All men (and womyn) are prepared to accomplish the incredible if their ideals are threatened.” I feel this embodies my philosophy best because the prospect of grad school is too horrible to contemplate.
 
I, for one, would LOOOVE to read a troll Personal Statement. In this thread. Right now. :xf:😀

Edit: It's got to hit all the major cliches, like "my parents were doctors" and "I like to help people".


And then I helped these poor people in a 3rd world country and I realized that they too are human, just like us.
 
Would just like to say I am not and wasn't a heavy poster on here but did use the offer of 2 or 3 readers to ready my PS last summer in addition to parents, friends, adviser, on campus career center, etc. The best help I received was by far from folks on here..I revised at least 10 times, changing tenses, wording, etc. with help from here with great ideas...really changed my PS to something I thought was really good in the end and at the same time keeping the theme of my PS...readers on here are neutral and don't know you so they are reading it fresh just like a committee would be.. and I have been checking out SDN for about only year and a half...not posting that much but getting lots of valuable advice just by reading the topics...so thanks to the readers and the support from SDN ..you are valuable to those of us that may not post so much
 
You guys crack me up.


To be serious for a moment though, if ANYONE is having issues with the Personal Statement Reader thread, please come to me or someone else in the Pre-Allo volunteer staff if you feel that there is a flaw in the system. That is what I am here for, and I believe (hope) that this is even posted in the first post of that thread. If not I will amend it ASAP.


I will reiterate what others have said: a large number of posts does not make you more "real" than anyone else on this site. A lot of people use SDN extensively for information, but do not post for various reasons. If you don't want to read PSs from users with low posts counts for whatever reason, please feel free to go back to the PS reader thread and amend your requirements.

Also, on the flipside, to the OP, realize that there may be many users who will not ask you to read their PS because you have not been through a successful application cycle. You can have all of the experience in the world, but if you're not an adcom or a successful applicant, some people may doubt your ability to say "Yes, THIS will help you get into medical school". I'm just pointing out why you may be getting a certain crowd of PSs versus others.

And.....I'll reiterate what Pons said, and I will stick this in the PS thread when I get a chance. Being respectful of the time of the readers is important. Please don't hand them a pile of junk....make a really good first effort. It really is in your best interest to do so.

End of Public Service Announcement.
 
Hey all - I'm sorry to any and all who took personal offense to my question/post. I certainly didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I just was hoping to get more personal statements from established posters. To that end... IT WORKED.

I now have four personal statements to read over the weekend - cool! I took a quick glance at one and the guy starts out with a very catchy statement, so I'm hopeful for the rest of his essay.

BTW - where is the PS thread? I will ammend my offer but can't seem to find the thread again.
I agree with Cougar. 🙂

And to answer your question, the PS thread is here: (it's a link in the 2011-2012 applicant sticky) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=806473
 
Hey all - I'm sorry to any and all who took personal offense to my question/post. I certainly didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I just was hoping to get more personal statements from established posters. To that end... IT WORKED.

I now have four personal statements to read over the weekend - cool! I took a quick glance at one and the guy starts out with a very catchy statement, so I'm hopeful for the rest of his essay.

BTW - where is the PS thread? I will ammend my offer but can't seem to find the thread again.

Welcome to the wall of hate and bridge of trolls. 🙂
 
You guys crack me up.

I will reiterate what others have said: a large number of posts does not make you more "real" than anyone else on this site. A lot of people use SDN extensively for information, but do not post for various reasons. If you don't want to read PSs from users with low posts counts for whatever reason, please feel free to go back to the PS reader thread and amend your requirements.

Seriously, otherwise everyone would be on the "post pad" establishing their sdn cred. i'm just sayin
 
you gotta pay the troll toll to get into this boy's hole, you gotta pay the troll toll to get in...
 
That troll PS was hilarious. My favorite sentence: "My desire to be a physician has mirrored my desire to actualize my potential to serve humanity in many capacities." If only because I tend to be a wordy writer and make exactly these ridiculous mistakes. 🙂

Good luck on PSs (and grading PSs), everyone!
 
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