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Can someone tell me what the differences are? Any danger of turf infringement?
Can someone tell me what the differences are? Any danger of turf infringement?
looks close to trolling to me:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=4892080#post4892080
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=4900325#post4900325
it's weird because he says he is a PTA yet he claims to have a DPT. hmmm
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=4855071#post4855071
I don't think this even warrants a discussion.
Even though I'm not an allopath, nor pre-allopath - but instead I am a physical therapy doctor who went to physical therapy medical school - I support the 2 round system.
Doesn't look close to trolling at all. This is obvious trolling. My favorite post is this one:
????? wtf is physical therapy medical school?
the focus was to point out that you probably already know the answer to your question
I was tempted to say, the main difference is that one is a real doctor. But I thought it was too mean to say.
I was tempted to say, the main difference is that one is a real doctor. But I thought it was too mean to say.
would be very dangerous to patients is because physical therapists only have a very rudimentary background in medical pathologies and pharmacology. They also do not know how to interpret lab and radiology tests and they cannot diagnose a medical condition. They may be familiar with some of the more common diagnoses but knowing the names of conditions that have already been diagnosed is very different from being able to interpret all the data to diagnose and treat a medical condition.I also view a future world where physical therapists refer patients to physicians, not vice versa, and physicians call up PTs to give them status reports.
let's try to keep it civil... no shoving anything up anywhere!
Here's a link to the answer to the question what is a physiatrist?
http://www.aapmr.org/condtreat/what.htm
If you want a real answer here you go:
Physiatrist = a physician who has gone through 4 years of medical school, 4 years of residency +/- fellowship who specializes in the field of physical medicine and rehabilitation. Physical therapy is just one of many methods we prescribe to help patients optimize their function. We do NOT actually perform the physical therapy and although some of us teach our patients some very rudimentary home exercises until they get into see a physical therapist, we still leave the actual therapy regimen up to the therapist(s). Some physiatrists have studied different types of therapy and most of us write more than a generic "eval and treat" type prescription. We also do a medical assessment of the patient BEFORE referring them to therapy to rule out any contraindications, and to aide the therapist in coming up with a good therapeutic plan.
Physical Therapist = a professional in physical therapy who has up to a doctoral degree in physical therapy who provides physical therapy services to patients. They do a musculoskeletal assessment, and can work within their paradigm to come up with the pathologies that may be causing the patient's dysfunction, and prescribes home exercise programs, does manual therapy, and applies modalities to help improve patient function. They also do a functional assessment and may also help with assistive technologies.
The reason why the world you envision,
would be very dangerous to patients is because physical therapists do not have any background in medical pathologies and pharmacology. They also do not know how to interpret lab and radiology tests and they cannot diagnose a medical condition. They may be familiar with some of the more common diagnoses but knowing the names of conditions that have already been diagnosed is very different from being able to interpret all the data to diagnose and treat a medical condition.
I as a physiatrist would never dare to provide physical therapy services myself to patients (at least not a comprehensive program), so I don't think therapists should dare provide medical services to patients. The PM&R model of teamwork is a good thing as we recognize each other's expertise and limitations.
Unfortunately, when you don't have a history of posting in this forum and the first post you make is provocative, it is difficult to take you seriously. But, giving you the benefit of doubt, here's my honest answer.
physical therapists do not have any background in medical pathologies and pharmacology.
I was tempted to say, the main difference is that one is a real doctor. But I thought it was too mean to say.
I agree with your post - the above statement is a little misleading, however. PT's do take pathology and pharmacology courses. It's not anything remotely resembling a medical school path or pharm course. But they do take them so that PT's are familiar with the basic pathology of common diseases of various organ systems that will impact the conditions they will treat. They are also exposed to pharmacology so that during an evaluation, they can review the patient's meds and have an understanding of the indications and major side effects, again both of which can impact a patient's rehab.
just curious... i dont understand the jargon.
Trolling?
6 replies, and not even one of substance to what was a perfectly legitimate question. Instead, your petty focus was to attack my credentials and prior posts.
If you have trouble defining your own profession, then I pity you defining anything to your patients at all. But then of course, you probably let PTs do all that anyways.
Doesn't look close to trolling at all. This is obvious trolling. My favorite post is this one:
????? wtf is physical therapy medical school?
Frankly I doubt he/she even went to PT school. I have never heard the phrase "physical therapy medical school". idiot.
My contention is that your vocabulary doesn't even exceed your IQ, judging by the way you insult other people.
I've already got the answer I want
That....makes no sense.
My contention is that your oranges do not even exceed your apples.
You cant compare two different quantities like that.
My car is faster than your shirt.
So why are you still here?
alright, I am a medical student researching which medical specialty I may be interested in... reading all the info I can etc... and while once in a great while someone has some good info... everybody uses the forum to whine and try to compete with others. Medicine is about working together. Nobody is "better" than anyone else, period. One pm&r physician will not have the same skills as another pm&r physician, just as one pt will not have the same skills as another pt. We are all individuals looking to help other individuals... don't slam someone else for their decisions, support them.
Also, it doesn't matter if you have an extensive vocabulary, because 90% of your patients wont understand anyway.
To those of you who have really tried to keep your postings constructive and positive, you're practicing medicine already... to those who call names and single out others, you've got much to learn.
Maybe everyone should put their real names on their posts so they don't have such a sense of invincibility... it's that sense of invincibility that sends a great percentage of physicians each year into drug/alcohol abuse counseling and gets licenses revoked.
Be the physician you'd like to send your family to.
Now I'm done...........
To those hoping to reply and get an aggressive response, I'll demonstrate how to show constraint.
Thanks again to those who use the forum for informational purposes!
Thanks for your astute observations. Hope I didn't make your sole neuron creak too much.
its always nice to meet someone whose first comment goes "why are you still here".
Your upbringing and manners are exemplary.
And the guy we are all deriding
You are demonstrating REstraint, not CONstraint
And the guy we are all deriding ISN'T a physician, which is the basic point of WHY he is being universally reviled ... he claims to have gone to "physicial therapy medical school" but then won't own up to the fact that there is no such thing
I didnt' mean to sound negative before. I'm still not clear on what a physiatrist does I suppose. What I basically saw, was a PMR doc walk in, take a really long history, and then tell the PT what he thought would be the best rehab strategy and thats it. Is there more to it? I saw this for 2 weeks and I was discouraged. From all I've read in this forum, my actual Rehab experience seemed more like a Diet version of a Medicine elective. I implore everyone to please convince me otherwise, because I'm really curious.
I implore everyone to please convince me otherwise, because I'm really curious.
Frankly I doubt he/she even went to PT school. I have never heard the phrase "physical therapy medical school". idiot.
Well, I don't blame you for not knowing about it, but ease up on the chap.
There, indeed, is a PT Medical Schooling, PT's are now being pushed to get their doctor of PT degree's, it's a 4 year medical program.
A good buddy of mine decided to consider becoming a physician after the industry began to make the shift.
There is no such thing - prove me wrong by providing us with a link