Physician LOR

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How long should I shadow a doctor before I should ask for a LOR? I generally see people advise to shadow about 20 hrs per physician but is the length sufficient to get to know the doctor well enough for a LOR?

Thanks in advance!
 
To be safe,

20 hours is good. It depends on how well you connect with your doctors. I got an LOR after 8 hours because I connected well with the attending. Usually they would ask for a resume or CV to get you know you more as a person.

The timing, how you pitch it, and the mood of the doctor also plays a role. I suggest you ask when youre leaving and while giving a firm hand shake. Ask if they can write you a STRONG LOR.
 
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To be safe,

20 hours is good. It depends on how well you connect with your doctors. I got an LOR after 8 hours because I connected well with the attending. Usually they would ask for a resume or CV to get you know you more as a person.

The timing, how you pitch it, and the mood of the doctor also plays a role. I suggest you ask when youre leaving and while giving a firm hand shake. Ask if they can write you a STRONG LOR.
I play top mid or feed.

For only 8 hours, I imagine that's a non primary care specialty? I assume primary care physicians will have little time in between each patient to talk to you so the approach would be different right? In terms of connecting with the attending, could you tell me your strategy and what topics did you talk about with them?
 
I asked about what work was like and if there were any times where their schedule deviated drastically. I connected with a Rads MD over our mutual hate of calculus and organic chemistry.

Got two letters, one after 20 and one after 40 hours of shadowing. Definitely ask if the physician can write you a good letter of recommendation.
 
The time varies depending on your relationship so >1 day < 1000. As others have stated ask if they could provide a good, excellent, etc letter and have a copy of your vita ready. Also be ready to email them a sample (lots available online) letter that fits you if they haven't written one before.

One thing that tripped me up was that one of the docs didn't hand sign the letter and a professor didn't put it on "official letterhead," so that delayed some of (~4-5) my applications. So make sure to ask so that the letters meet the requirements because you might not get to and with AACOMAS you waive your right to see them.
 
Doesn't matter. Shadow as long, or as short, as you want. Chances are that they will write you a LoR.

However, the longer you shadow, the better the letter will be most likely. And my longer I mean instead of shadowing for 1 week, you should for 2 weeks. I don't mean 15 hours vs 20 hours making a difference on letter quality.
 
For only 8 hours, I imagine that's a non primary care specialty? I assume primary care physicians will have little time in between each patient to talk to you so the approach would be different right? In terms of connecting with the attending, could you tell me your strategy and what topics did you talk about with them?

The 8 hours was EM, not sure if it's primary care. I scribed for a traveler [Locum]. He was a really chilled dude and we connected well because we were essentially young. He was a DO and wanted to know what were my future plans. I told him I was applying to DOs and he wanted to become an advocate. He WANTED to write me an LOR. To this day, I still thank him.

For primary care, this is what I did.

1) Always show up early and greet all the staff team members. Be good looking and have a professional look -- I got away with a slim fit buttoned up, slim fitted black pants, dress socks, and nice black dress shoes. I got many compliments from the patients for looking sharp. No tie needed because it's too much -- for me it was.
2) Always bring a notepad. Take note of any new terminology, medication, procedure, and lab study you are unaware about.
3) Be EXTREMELY humble and nice to everyone. If you have a strong ego or pride.....drop it. You are a no-body, in a sense.
4) At the end of the day, the doctor MAY ask if you have any questions. This is when you ask questions with the things you written down in #2.
5) Before you leave, thank your doctor for the wonderful opportunity. Give a genuine smile and a firm hand shake. Its the LAST impression that will stick in the doc's mind. So mess up or make it awkward lol
6) For your last day, this is what I did...... before the handshake......

6a) I let my doctor know I was going to/or in the process of applying to medical schools.

"Dr. X, as you know, this is my last day and I truly appreciate the time and opportunity you gave me. Thank you so much. *Genuine smile* I was wondering if you had some time to write me a STRONG LOR because I'm applying to medical school and would love a letter from you. You are extremely knowledgeable, very caring, and have excellent bedside manners. You truly inspired me to continue the path into medicine. I can email you my resume/CV if you need more information about me. I don't need it right away."

It should work in your favor because usually the doctors will feel guilty if he/she said no.

The worst is a "no". It's fine. Move on........Get use to rejections.

This method helped me get 5x LORs from MDs and DOs.
 
The 8 hours was EM, not sure if it's primary care. I scribed for a traveler [Locum]. He was a really chilled dude and we connected well because we were essentially young. He was a DO and wanted to know what were my future plans. I told him I was applying to DOs and he wanted to become an advocate. He WANTED to write me an LOR. To this day, I still thank him.

For primary care, this is what I did.

1) Always show up early and greet all the staff team members. Be good looking and have a professional look -- I got away with a slim fit buttoned up, slim fitted black pants, dress socks, and nice black dress shoes. I got many compliments from the patients for looking sharp. No tie needed because it's too much -- for me it was.
2) Always bring a notepad. Take note of any new terminology, medication, procedure, and lab study you are unaware about.
3) Be EXTREMELY humble and nice to everyone. If you have a strong ego or pride.....drop it. You are a no-body, in a sense.
4) At the end of the day, the doctor MAY ask if you have any questions. This is when you ask questions with the things you written down in #2.
5) Before you leave, thank your doctor for the wonderful opportunity. Give a genuine smile and a firm hand shake. Its the LAST impression that will stick in the doc's mind. So mess up or make it awkward lol
6) For your last day, this is what I did...... before the handshake......

6a) I let my doctor know I was going to/or in the process of applying to medical schools.

"Dr. X, as you know, this is my last day and I truly appreciate the time and opportunity you gave me. Thank you so much. *Genuine smile* I was wondering if you had some time to write me a STRONG LOR because I'm applying to medical school and would love a letter from you. You are extremely knowledgeable, very caring, and have excellent bedside manners. You truly inspired me to continue the path into medicine. I can email you my resume/CV if you need more information about me. I don't need it right away."

It should work in your favor because usually the doctors will feel guilty if he/she said no.

The worst is a "no". It's fine. Move on........Get use to rejections.

This method helped me get 5x LORs from MDs and DOs.

How many shadowing hours did you have overall? Just curious. I only shadowed one doc for like 60 hours.
 
How many shadowing hours did you have overall? Just curious. I only shadowed one doc for like 60 hours.
Urban FM ~ 88 hours
Orthopedic hand surgeon ~ 35 hours
Hem/Onc ~ 20 hours
Rural FM ~ 25 hours
 
I have a total of 60 hours shadowing physicians.
Most hours were from an MD maxillofacial surgeon. Other hours came from DO neurologist and the least came from an MD urologist.
Got LoR's from the two I showed the most (MD and DO) which worked out nice.

Sixty hours of shadowing one doc is ideal for getting a strong LoR. Try and get a DO one though.
Good luck!
 
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