PIC job offer, would you take it in this case?

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I just wanted to ask the experts here if this is a usual way of hiring a PIC.

1. A job interview(newly licensed 3mo old independent pharmacy) was denied because the position is filled
2. 2 weeks later you are called in for a job interview
3. Interview for about an hour
4. Asked to do finger printing, provide SSN, Pharmacy license and proof of work authorization on the spot.
5. Asked to sign PIC transition form
6. No wage / hours mentioned.

I asked the interviewer if it is possible for me to receive at least one day to think about it before I do #6. I also asked if I can at least speak to the owner or current PIC before I sign it.. but they were both denied.

I am not sure if that`s usually how PIC position is offered.
Is that normal? I just felt everything was just too abrupt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
 
TerryTerry said:
I just wanted to ask the experts here if this is a usual way of hiring a PIC.

1. A job interview(newly licensed 3mo old independent pharmacy) was denied because the position is filled
2. 2 weeks later you are called in for a job interview
3. Interview for about an hour
4. Asked to do finger printing, provide SSN, Pharmacy license and proof of work authorization on the spot.
5. Asked to sign PIC transition form
6. No wage / hours mentioned.

I asked the interviewer if it is possible for me to receive at least one day to think about it before I do #6. I also asked if I can at least speak to the owner or current PIC before I sign it.. but they were both denied.

I am not sure if that`s usually how PIC position is offered.
Is that normal? I just felt everything was just too abrupt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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This is atypical. They hired someone who quit fast. I might take the job if I was desperate, but not without negotiating salary in the context that they are obviously more desperate.
 
TerryTerry said:
I just wanted to ask the experts here if this is a usual way of hiring a PIC.

1. A job interview(newly licensed 3mo old independent pharmacy) was denied because the position is filled
2. 2 weeks later you are called in for a job interview
3. Interview for about an hour
4. Asked to do finger printing, provide SSN, Pharmacy license and proof of work authorization on the spot.
5. Asked to sign PIC transition form
6. No wage / hours mentioned.

I asked the interviewer if it is possible for me to receive at least one day to think about it before I do #6. I also asked if I can at least speak to the owner or current PIC before I sign it.. but they were both denied.

I am not sure if that`s usually how PIC position is offered.
Is that normal? I just felt everything was just too abrupt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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I'm a PIC of an independent.

Run.
 
Thx, guys. I felt really uncomfortable signing that last page.. so I had to trust my gut and walk out of this job opportunity.

It was new pharmacy so I was willing to give it a chance, but I also didn`t quite like how the interview continuously reminding me how I won`t be able to find a job if I miss this opportunity...
 
He was another pharmacist. Maybe 60-70 yo but he said he works mostly on marketing side of business. They told me they plan to do cash compounding business & MTM services.. but it sounded more like they really want the DEA license obtained ASAP as well. I tried to be polite and respectful as possible.. but it really didn`t feel right to sign up to take over a pharmacy, even a new one, as the PIC when I discussed nothing with the owner, current PIC without real information about how I will get paid and will be working.
 
Completely agree with @CetiAlphaFive with one other point, you should never sign a PIC transition or a commitment form sight unseen of the pharmacy or the particulars of the compensation. That is something that is quite explicitly illegal in a number of states including TX (in terms of not knowing the circumstances why the last PIC left and not having access to discuss matters).

Also, I wouldn't work with this company again whoever is your headhunter. They really aren't looking after your interests.
 
I was out of work many years ago, and I got a cold call from a guy who owned a medium-sized indie. He asked me if I wanted to come in per-diem, and gradually increase my hours and possibly become PIC after a year or so. I was intrigued, as it was a cool pharmacy in a ski town. I asked him if there was anything funny going on with controlled substances and he said, "oh, absolutely not." I asked him if I could have the weekend to think about it and he agreed.

Literally the NEXT DAY, the lead story on the local news was this dude being led away in handcuffs for diversion.
 
panicatthepharmacy said:
I was out of work many years ago, and I got a cold call from a guy who owned a medium-sized indie. He asked me if I wanted to come in per-diem, and gradually increase my hours and possibly become PIC after a year or so. I was intrigued, as it was a cool pharmacy in a ski town. I asked him if there was anything funny going on with controlled substances and he said, "oh, absolutely not." I asked him if I could have the weekend to think about it and he agreed.

Literally the NEXT DAY, the lead story on the local news was this dude being led away in handcuffs for diversion.
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well I guess you dont need the weekend to think about it anymore.
Geez, what the heck happen?
 
TerryTerry said:
I just wanted to ask the experts here if this is a usual way of hiring a PIC.

1. A job interview(newly licensed 3mo old independent pharmacy) was denied because the position is filled
2. 2 weeks later you are called in for a job interview
3. Interview for about an hour
4. Asked to do finger printing, provide SSN, Pharmacy license and proof of work authorization on the spot.
5. Asked to sign PIC transition form
6. No wage / hours mentioned.

I asked the interviewer if it is possible for me to receive at least one day to think about it before I do #6. I also asked if I can at least speak to the owner or current PIC before I sign it.. but they were both denied.

I am not sure if that`s usually how PIC position is offered.
Is that normal? I just felt everything was just too abrupt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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lol...wad...is the market that bad where this is something OP has to ponder about? There are so many red flags here...
 
Yeah. I looked up the info of the interviewer and the pharmacy. Pharmacy is new and clean but the interviewer had few disciplinary actions regarding forged Rx and DUI. I suppose that`s why he could not be the PIC himself. I asked him if I can have at least a day to consider it but he literally gave me no other option except signing up for the job on the spot. It was a short interview but I could feel I am already being unappreciated there.

I`ve been out of job for 3 weeks since my last employer decided to close his pharmacy. I am trying to find a job, but it is never an easy task to be done. I had few interviews and another interesting offer where somebody asked me if I want to be the owner and the PIC at the same time. I am interested.. but having my name as the owner of pharmacy also make me responsible for taxes and other documentations so it worries me. Staff job is really hard to come by.. and big chains seem rarely hire outside their own networks.

I`ve been enjoying my time off a bit because I felt little bit burned out after working over 3 years straight without real vacation. That was first two weeks. Now I just want to get back to work... lol. It feels really bad to just drain your savings.

I am trying to find a good place where I can make real commitment.. but a normal pharmacist doesn`t have that kind of luxury anymore. Every employer is looking for most perfect & talented employer.. and seeing there are 88 pharmacists applying for one job in my area is more than discomforting.
 
Yeah. I asked him how he expects me to sign this without discussing how things are set up in the pharmacy and how I will be paid. The response was that I will have to set things up as PIC and he did tell me about what he has in his mind about pay rate. The pay rate was on a low side for PIC position which I didn`t mind much. What bothered me more is that there was nothing to guarantee that they will honor t heir words and that they promised nothing to me about when I get to start work and how they will pay me.

He was continuously telling me I have to sign the paper, wait for background check to finish and wait two to three weeks until they contact me again. I don`t know much.. but I really felt that`s not the right ways once I sign PIC transition form. I believe I sign PIC transition form as the last step of hiring process. I politely walked out of the interview. I just hope all the information I provided him stays safe. He told me he needs them for my background check, but I didn`t expect things to go so abrupt within 2 hours.

I had few interview which they told me they will get back to me before the end of month because they expect to replace some pharmacist after thanksgiving. Not sure how that will work out. I also interviewed for a pharmacy 70 miles away from where I live.. and that interview I probably didn`t seem very enthusiastic... haha
 
CynicalIntern said:
In all fairness, you Sparda is thinking he wouldn't go there without establishing that he would make $80 an hour untaxed, not because of any questionable legality.
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Nah, not being able to talk to the owner or past PIC is a red flag. One hour interview for independent pharmacy is a red flag. Being asked to sign a PIC transition form is a red flag.

This just seems like they are trying to use OP's license to get the pharmacy open and then not giving them any hours or do illegal **** under the OP's name, etc.
 
TerryTerry said:
Yeah. I looked up the info of the interviewer and the pharmacy. Pharmacy is new and clean but the interviewer had few disciplinary actions regarding forged Rx and DUI. I suppose that`s why he could not be the PIC himself. I asked him if I can have at least a day to consider it but he literally gave me no other option except signing up for the job on the spot. It was a short interview but I could feel I am already being unappreciated there.

I`ve been out of job for 3 weeks since my last employer decided to close his pharmacy. I am trying to find a job, but it is never an easy task to be done. I had few interviews and another interesting offer where somebody asked me if I want to be the owner and the PIC at the same time. I am interested.. but having my name as the owner of pharmacy also make me responsible for taxes and other documentations so it worries me. Staff job is really hard to come by.. and big chains seem rarely hire outside their own networks.

I`ve been enjoying my time off a bit because I felt little bit burned out after working over 3 years straight without real vacation. That was first two weeks. Now I just want to get back to work... lol. It feels really bad to just drain your savings.

I am trying to find a good place where I can make real commitment.. but a normal pharmacist doesn`t have that kind of luxury anymore. Every employer is looking for most perfect & talented employer.. and seeing there are 88 pharmacists applying for one job in my area is more than discomforting.
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Its tough to be in your shoes. I hope you good luck.
 
TerryTerry said:
I just wanted to ask the experts here if this is a usual way of hiring a PIC.

1. A job interview(newly licensed 3mo old independent pharmacy) was denied because the position is filled
2. 2 weeks later you are called in for a job interview
3. Interview for about an hour
4. Asked to do finger printing, provide SSN, Pharmacy license and proof of work authorization on the spot.
5. Asked to sign PIC transition form
6. No wage / hours mentioned.

I asked the interviewer if it is possible for me to receive at least one day to think about it before I do #6. I also asked if I can at least speak to the owner or current PIC before I sign it.. but they were both denied.

I am not sure if that`s usually how PIC position is offered.
Is that normal? I just felt everything was just too abrupt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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That sounds shady for all reasons mentioned by everyone. By signing the PIC change form, you made yourself responsible right at that moment for anything that happens there. Live and learn. He just wants to be able to keep the pharmacy open and do business or whatever else he may have in mind.
I would strongly suggest contacting the board of pharmacy. He may have already submitted the PIC change form to the board. You don’t know. What we do know is that you signed it and that makes you responsible.
Call them, submit a written statement and make sure the board does not show you as PIC of that pharmacy.

Best of luck!
 
Apotheker2015 said:
That sounds shady for all reasons mentioned by everyone. By signing the PIC change form, you made yourself responsible right at that moment for anything that happens there. Live and learn. He just wants to be able to keep the pharmacy open and do business or whatever else he may have in mind.
I would strongly suggest contacting the board of pharmacy. He may have already submitted the PIC change form to the board. You don’t know. What we do know is that you signed it and that makes you responsible.
Call them, submit a written statement and make sure the board does not show you as PIC of that pharmacy.

Best of luck!
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Read the thread. They didn't sign the form.
 
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