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New patient. Axial neck pain, slow onset, possibly fall from horseback as a kid. No radiating arm pain or neuro deficit. Noticing some difficulty swallowing and "if I put on finger just here on my throat, it's hard to breath."
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70m 3 weeks moderate back and right L4 distribution parasthesias with "foot slap" after shoveling snow. Tib ant 2/5. Knee extension/quad weak at 4/5 manually, but unable to rise from single leg squat. Bowel/bladder fine. Biggest disc I've seen with cephalad/caudal migration. Lami/microdisc following day after expedited surgery consult...


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70m 3 weeks moderate back and right L4 distribution parasthesias with "foot slap" after shoveling snow. Tib ant 2/5. Knee extension/quad weak at 4/5 manually, but unable to rise from single leg squat. Bowel/bladder fine. Biggest disc I've seen with cephalad/caudal migration. Lami/microdisc following day after expedited surgery consult...


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whats the rush? damage already done. central canal huge, no cauda equina. his foot will keep slapping. outcome (strength)would be the same with or with surgery.

if the foot slapping gets worse, then yes, surgery. but it wont

if this was pain-free, id just do PT
if there was pain, right L4 TFESI.

dont let the size of the disc scare you.
 
whats the rush? damage already done. central canal huge, no cauda equina. his foot will keep slapping. outcome (strength)would be the same with or with surgery.

if the foot slapping gets worse, then yes, surgery. but it wont

if this was pain-free, id just do PT
if there was pain, right L4 TFESI.

dont let the size of the disc scare you.

Thank you for input. I admit the size of disc played a role, but really the degree of weakness pushed me to surgery consult ASAP. What patient called foot slap I called frank foot drop with inability to clear/dorsiflex on gait and less than anti-gravity Tib ant. You sit on that if its your back? I have a hard time sitting on anything less then 3/5 motor.


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Overdevest et al found two risk factors for poor motor recovery after radic due to disc herniation were 1) severe weakness (authors deemed 3/5 "severe") and 2) size of herniation that took up 25% or more of canal. I'd send that person to spine surgeon to at least allow patient to have the option of surgery.
 
Thank you for input. I admit the size of disc played a role, but really the degree of weakness pushed me to surgery consult ASAP. What patient called foot slap I called frank foot drop with inability to clear/dorsiflex on gait and less than anti-gravity Tib ant. You sit on that if its your back? I have a hard time sitting on anything less then 3/5 motor.


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yes.

without a doubt.

that disc will resorb, and the motor recovery will be the same with or without surgery.

there is no wrong answer here. if this patient has surgery, that is fine. non-operative treatment is also fine.

if pain leg pain cannot be resolved with non-operative measures, or there is progressive motor loss, then i am all for a discectomy
 
Another huge disc. Largest cervical hnp I've seen in my short career. 2 weeks of worsening right c6 radic pain, progressive weakness, mild balance deficit, new Hoffmanns on right and brisk reflexes....
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From my office to the ER then OR today......

Hey doc is it normal that I can't feel anything in my crotch....

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