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Discussion in 'Pediatrics' started by Complications, May 30, 2008.

  1. Complications

    Complications Member 7+ Year Member

    Mar 25, 2006
    Hey All,

    Just wondering how things are set up in your PICUs. Does surgery manage all the trauma? Co-manage? Does there seem to be a struggle between surgery and PICU? Does PICU manage everyone ... or atleast comanage?
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  3. Stitch

    Stitch Jedi Ninja Wizard Moderator Physician 15+ Year Member

    Dec 12, 2002
    I'm at a separate and dedicated children's hospital though we don't have fellows, just to give you context. Essentially all patients in the unit are under the care of the PICU attendings/residents, whether it's post op, trauma, whatever. Some services write their own admitting orders, but there is always a 'PICU consult' so we round on and generally manage all patients there. Usually the main service (like trauma) will swing by to round with us. With the post op hearts, cards rounds with us first thing in the morning on only the cards patients. There's usually some friction regarding care, but things are worked out, and the kid is listed as being under the PICU attending and not the cards attending (cards would be the consult).
  4. bensadic

    bensadic New Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    San Francisco
    At the hospital where I'm a PICU fellow we have a separate CVICU (for all of the post and sometimes pre-op congenital hearts) and PICU (for everything else).

    The CVICU is run by either a dually trained peds cardiac intensivist or a PICU attending with a cards attending also there to lend their expertise. Some, but not all, major management decisions are also run by the surgeon who did the case. Or at least we try to keep them in the loop. Post-op admit orders are written by both the surgeons and the medical team, each focused on obviously surgical or medical issues. However afterwards, the care of the patient is primarily under the medical team.

    The PICU manages all the patients, whether they be post-ops, traumas, etc. with the specialists consulting. They will sometimes write the admit orders but after that they are under our care. Often they will write specific orders for their patients but that is with the understanding that they'll notify us what they are, and that we ultimately have final say if we disapprove.

    I did my residency at a different program. There was no distinction between CVICU and PICU per se, but given the size of the unit there were several distinct teams: 1. an essentially CVICU team consisting of a PICU attending, fellow and nurse practioners, who would round with cardiology, 2. a hospitalist/NP team with a PICU attending and +/- a fellow at the head, and 3. a resident team consisting of a PICU attending, fellow, and obviously residents. There the ICU teams wrote all the orders, admit and all. The only exception was neurosurgery, who could write orders, but again, only if discussed with the ICU team.

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