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I am a 24-year-old male medical student and I've never been in a relationship, and I've never even as much as kissed a girl. My problem is that I am a very reclusive preson, I never go to parties, I don't like socializing (it's pleasure for most people and hard work for me) and I like things that most people my age don't (soft jazz music being one). I rarely if ever talk to anyone outside of my immediate family. So as a result, I don't have a network of close friends, which is apparently a prerequisite to meeting women. Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too. But is that really wise? Should I just stop worrying about this and focus on my med school studies, waiting for my MD to make up for my inexperience? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
 
cdc2004 said:
Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too..
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Be yourself.
 
cdc2004 said:
I am a 24-year-old male medical student and I've never been in a relationship, and I've never even as much as kissed a girl. My problem is that I am a very reclusive preson, I never go to parties, I don't like socializing (it's pleasure for most people and hard work for me) and I like things that most people my age don't (soft jazz music being one). I rarely if ever talk to anyone outside of my immediate family. So as a result, I don't have a network of close friends, which is apparently a prerequisite to meeting women. Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too. But is that really wise? Should I just stop worrying about this and focus on my med school studies, waiting for my MD to make up for my inexperience? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

aww. . .don't worry about it 🙂 you sound like a really nice guy, and in the end that is going to want to make a girl settle down with you. in the meantime and to get that girl to look at you in the first place, the #1 rule for men is to PROJECT CONFIDENCE!! practice on random people . . . intiate conversation with your female classmates. and even though socializing is hard work, you might wanna put yourself out there and do it anyway. and of course be yourself, but watch the really confident guys in your program to see how they interact with girls, and glean whatever is useful from that. you are lucky. . .as a guy, your attractiveness is mostly within your control! (money, power, confidence, non-serial-killer-ness) . .however, if you were a girl, as you know the #1 criteria that most guys have is HOTNESS/CUTENESS, which is a lot more genetically determined !! don't worry. . concentrate on med school of course, but keep these things on the side of your mind 🙂 and i'm sure you'll be taking a lucky girl on a date in no time 🙂
 
I agree with carebear. In addition:

Try taking dance lessons (salsa, tango, zydeco, etc). Practice often. Once you learn how to dance well, you are a hot commodity with many women.
 
Watch out for nurses, PAs, etc. who are hunting for a rich doctor husband. You don't want to marry someone who only wants you for your money. Get to know your female classmates and female residents. A girl who is going to be a doctor herself will love you for who you are, not your money and prestige. My theory is that if it is meant to be, it will happen. You don't want to attract someone while pretending to be someone you're not. In the meantime, concentrate on school.
 
Hey, I'm almost in the same situation, although I'm a bit younger. Hang in there, you'll find the ONE sooner or later 😳

Oh, and I agree with the above posts 🙂
 
cdc2004 said:
Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too. But is that really wise? Should I just stop worrying about this and focus on my med school studies, waiting for my MD to make up for my inexperience? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Well, if you think that its okay for someone to want to be with you just because you have an MD, then go ahead and don't do anything about it.

But I think that the honest and sincere girls out there don't care about what degree you have or if you even have one. I mean, if someone is attracted to you just because you hold a degree, don't this imply something kind of repulsive about this person's character to you? It does to me. Sure, you will attract people with an MD but to me, I think they'll be kind of scary, overbearing people. In the end, you're earning your MD for you, not for anyone else. I think you should start dating and meeting people right now so that you can find the person who meshes well with you and not a person who just wants to attach herself to you because you have an MD. Just give it a try. I'm sure studying doesn't have to take up 100% of your social life.
 
cdc2004 said:
I am a 24-year-old male medical student and I've never been in a relationship, and I've never even as much as kissed a girl. My problem is that I am a very reclusive preson, I never go to parties, I don't like socializing (it's pleasure for most people and hard work for me) and I like things that most people my age don't (soft jazz music being one). I rarely if ever talk to anyone outside of my immediate family. So as a result, I don't have a network of close friends, which is apparently a prerequisite to meeting women. Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too. But is that really wise? Should I just stop worrying about this and focus on my med school studies, waiting for my MD to make up for my inexperience? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Take your time, sweetie!

Maybe when you have some free time, you can join a club or start one.
Something small, but an environment where you can feel comfortable,
Believe me, there are people your age who love soft jazz and just as shy.
You will attract someone, we all do but be CAREFUL! 😱

Some will act to like you because of your future title.
Be careful of the snakes in the grass but don't forget to smell the beautiful flowers that blossom around you 😍

Don't worry, you'll be fine 😀
 
cdc2004 said:
I am a 24-year-old male medical student and I've never been in a relationship, and I've never even as much as kissed a girl. My problem is that I am a very reclusive preson, I never go to parties, I don't like socializing (it's pleasure for most people and hard work for me) and I like things that most people my age don't (soft jazz music being one). I rarely if ever talk to anyone outside of my immediate family. So as a result, I don't have a network of close friends, which is apparently a prerequisite to meeting women. Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too. But is that really wise? Should I just stop worrying about this and focus on my med school studies, waiting for my MD to make up for my inexperience? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Have you gotten to 3rd year yet? It seems like that will go a long way to help develop your social skills and confidence, both for personal and professional relationship building.
 
Also, remember that girls love clothes I am not even slightly kidding about this.
Read some fashion magazines or do some searches on the internet; even better, ask a friend/acquaintance that you think has really good taste if he/she will go shopping with you. This will go a long way towards a) building confidence and b) shredding your wallet. 🙂 Studies have shown that the first thing a woman looks at is your face (it should be happy and smiling) then your shoes (God only knows why).

Good luck, Tiger.
 
fourthyearmed said:
Watch out for nurses, PAs, etc. who are hunting for a rich doctor husband. You don't want to marry someone who only wants you for your money. Get to know your female classmates and female residents. A girl who is going to be a doctor herself will love you for who you are, not your money and prestige. My theory is that if it is meant to be, it will happen. You don't want to attract someone while pretending to be someone you're not. In the meantime, concentrate on school.

This is the best advice I've seen so far. I know it's trite to say "be yourself", particularly when you're young enough still to be figuring out what that means. But the less you try to be something you're not, the more likely you are to find someone right for you. Which is not to say that you should reject every new idea or experience that results from your interest in someone. Dating lots of different people expands your horizons. I definitely am not the product of my upbringing in many ways, mostly as a result of my love life. But it is absolutely not necessary to go to bars and nightclubs. And not liking that scene doesn't mean there is something wrong with you. Do the things that you like, and meet people there. The last thing you want is to become someone's meal ticket. And you shouldn't have to be that for someone to love you.
 
Hard work or not, start talking to girls. I am sure you plan on marriage one day, and you want to know a variety of girls before you settle down. If not, you might just marry the first girl you spend time with, and she might not be perfect for you, but you wouldn't know otherwise.
 
p.s., Although clothes, money, and a MD degree will attract girls, the real key is making them laugh.
 
ddmoore54 said:
p.s., Although clothes, money, and a MD degree will attract girls, the real key is making them laugh.

True, but let me echo the "be yourself" sentiment. Nothing is worse than trying too hard to be funny. Somehow, I don't think that will be a problem, but nevertheless...


Oh, hell, just have fun! As long as you're happy and well-groomed you'll attract nice people. 😎
 
Ooh, or you could try an online dating service.


What have you got to lose, right?
 
It's not a big deal at all that you haven't dated or kissed a girl. Focus on developing a network of friends first. Build up your confidence and become more social and that will help you meet the right person. And honestly, don't feel sorry for yourself. Remember, you don't want to just date anyone....Before I met my BF I was looking for someone who was smart, honest, attractive (to me any way) and kind. what are some qualities that you'd like your SO to have?
 
This is like the most obvious case study of the Ladder Theory. This poor guy is already on the friends ladder, even by women who don't know more about him than what he's written in one paragraph. Case in point...
care bear said:
you sound like a really nice guy

Everything that has been suggested so far (humor, sensitivity, being yourself) falls into the catagory of "Things women say they care about but really don't" because they'd sound shallow if they said that they really wanted a hot guy with a fat wallet. You'll notice that nobody's even suggested that you should maybe go to the gym more and buff up, and maybe get a better hairstyle and such, however it's pretty well known how women turn into giggling 6th graders when they see guys like Antonio Banderas or Leonardo Decraprio or the stereotypical water cooler delivery guy. I could go on, but the website explains it all. So in summary - Get your MD, pay off your loans quickly, flash some green, buff up, cut your hair, get some fashion sense, and if you do get a girl, don't lasvish her with attention because then you're branded as needy; a little bit of indifference goes a long way.
 
Rogue_Leader said:
This is like the most obvious case study of the Ladder Theory. This poor guy is already on the friends ladder, even by women who don't know more about him than what he's written in one paragraph. Case in point...


Everything that has been suggested so far (humor, sensitivity, being yourself) falls into the catagory of "Things women say they care about but really don't" because they'd sound shallow if they said that they really wanted a hot guy with a fat wallet. You'll notice that nobody's even suggested that you should maybe go to the gym more and buff up, and maybe get a better hairstyle and such, however it's pretty well known how women turn into giggling 6th graders when they see guys like Antonio Banderas or Leonardo Decraprio or the stereotypical water cooler delivery guy. I could go on, but the website explains it all. So in summary - Get your MD, pay off your loans quickly, flash some green, buff up, cut your hair, get some fashion sense, and if you do get a girl, don't lasvish her with attention because then you're branded as needy; a little bit of indifference goes a long way.
Wow, that's pessimistic. 😱
 
azzarah said:
Remember, you don't want to just date anyone....QUOTE]

I think azzarah means is you don't just want to marry anyone. You have to crawl before you can walk. If you wait around and save the first person you try to date to be the woman of your dreams there's a good chance you'll screw it up due to lack of experience. Date all kinds of women, that way you'll get to know the qualities you like and dislike, and it will be easier to find someone you can be happy with for the rest of your life. Just be carefull not to empregnate anyone. Otherwise I have to agree with the above comments, confidence about being yourself, wardrobe overhaul, assertiveness, and a smile that says you know what your doing (even when you don't).

Social interaction is like working out, it's hard at first but the more you do it the easier it gets, and soon you don't know how you could get through your day without it. Don't get discouraged either, because your bound to fall on your face a few hundred times.
 
Rogue_Leader said:
Everything that has been suggested so far (humor, sensitivity, being yourself) falls into the catagory of "Things women say they care about but really don't" because they'd sound shallow if they said that they really wanted a hot guy with a fat wallet. You'll notice that nobody's even suggested that you should maybe go to the gym more and buff up, and maybe get a better hairstyle and such, however it's pretty well known how women turn into giggling 6th graders when they see guys like Antonio Banderas or Leonardo Decraprio or the stereotypical water cooler delivery guy.
Not so. You wanna know what *I* think when I see a guy like that? I think, "hmmm, nice to look at...I bet he's a complete narcissistic dingus." The hotter they are, and the more women who are after them, the more skeptical I am of the image they present. I've been wrong, once or twice, and I actually like finding out I'm wrong. But most of the time I'm not.

However, the gym thing is a good idea. Regular exercise gives you a sense of well-being that makes you seem more confident and comfortable with yourself. But it's the secondary benefits, and not the buffness, that matters.
 
I agree with the people who said that gaining Self Confidence and projecting it outwardly is one of the best things you can do. I was in your situation for the longest time as well, in fact I'm still very introverted. I'm certainly not the best looking guy out there either. But I sort of came out of my social shell in college and managed to make some friends and a girlfriend or two. Right now, I'm in a relationship with an amazing girl who loves me for who I am, and not for any of that other bullcrap. Just be yourself, and if your normal self isn't usually the type to look confident in public, then you really better learn how soon. A lot of what medicine really is is looking confident that you know what you're doing in front of your patient.
 
I think relationships are based on commodities period. Be it looks, money, personality. All things are essentially commodities of one sort or another.
Is it really wrong, shallow or bad for a woman to want to marry a man for his wealth? The man may want her for her looks or just because he likes her personality.
I know I am making a stretch here but try to understand.
Everything has a value placed on it and not everyone will have the same value systems as you.
It may be easier to get along with someone who has a similar value system to yours-however I doubt you will find someone with the exact same values as you-otherwise you'd be dating yourself.
I am sure that most people can spot the blatant 'gold-diggers-who cheat on the side with the gardner etc.' otherwise so what if a woman may want to marry a doctor for the prestige and wealth. Isnt that what woman have been socialized to do? -->Dream of big weddings, marry successful men and have wonderful children with nary a hair out of place, etc., etc.

In the end my view is look dude if you click with someone then let it ride-who cares if she gets a kick out of 'marrying/dating' a doctor!
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You probably listed the #1 reason why the divorce rate is so high in this country. If you marry for those reasons, soon they'll lose their luster and nothing will be left. The relationship just falters and dies then because there's nothing to hold it together.
 
Well if you do get married, your marriage isn't going to carry on by itself. People have to work at marriages regardless of the initial impetus to get married. Nothing in nothing out. Garbage in garbage out.
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So what your saying JattMed, is it's ok that a woman marry you mainly for your wealth and title, because you'll learn to love eachother later? I think your setting yourself up for a fall.

Beside that you marry someone for their qualities, not commodities.
 
ArmCandy said:
So what your saying JattMed, is it's ok that a woman marry you mainly for your wealth and title, because you'll learn to love eachother later? I think your setting yourself up for a fall.

Beside that you marry someone for their qualities, not commodities.

This coming from someone with the name ArmCandy? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
cdc2004 said:
My problem is that I am a very reclusive preson, I never go to parties, I don't like socializing (it's pleasure for most people and hard work for me) I rarely if ever talk to anyone outside of my immediate family. So as a result, I don't have a network of close friends,

Have you considered that you might have social anxiety disorder?

I can completely relate to spending a lot of time by yourself, as I am kind of reclusive too. But it sounds like your issues go beyond this and that you can't even force yourself to be in social situations and that it's causing you a lot of distress.

See a psychiatrist. Maybe a bit of an SSRI is just the thing you need.
 
I gave the following advice to someone who was in ur shoes almost exactly(nice guy, very introverted and scholarly, never dated in H.S., wanted to meet women)--and it worked for him.

A lot of this may sound superficial-- but you have to at least get to know (how to get close to) some women before you can make choices about other character traits.

1. Take dance lessons-western swing, tango, ballroom, salsa etc- till ur at least moderately proficient. You will be meeting ladies at class and you will be having fun at dances, where there are usually a lot more women there who want to dance than there are guys who know how. Teaching her the steps is also great. Also may expand ur music appreciation out of just soft jazz. Lots of kinds of music are great.(Read Carrigallen's advice above)

2. When you talk to a girl, say one thing you sincerely love about her looks--eyes, smile, nose, clothing, jewelry anything. No matter what, they love it and it gives them confidence that they are looking good in ur eyes. IMO people dont really fall in love with you but rather with how you make them feel when ur around them.

3.Learn to tell a few interesting stories and a few good jokes and practice this a bit. Helps in any social situation.

4. Try to always be positive in ur comments about other people and events

5.Be masterful and confident when you are with her. Not overly needy.

6. Be a good listener. Women love to talk about problems, family relationships, etc etc. You dont need or want to come up with instant solutions. Just listen and be sympathetic.

7. This is not necessary at all; but it helps to have a car and/or an apt. Doesnt have to be a muscle machine but something where you can get some privacy together.

8. Go to places and join interest clubs where u are likely to meet nice single women. If a class mate or colleague knows y0u want to date, he may be able to introduce you to a gf's friend or a sister, cousin etc. This sounds obvious but ....


Good luck 🙂

ps-If you are really, really introverted and dread social situations, the advice above re going to a psych & trying an SSRI might really help you to be able do the other things.
 
galen said:
I gave the following advice to someone who was in ur shoes almost exactly(nice guy, very introverted and scholarly, never dated in H.S., wanted to meet women)--and it worked for him.

A lot of this may sound superficial-- but you have to at least get to know (how to get close to) some women before you can make choices about other character traits.

1. Take dance lessons-western swing, tango, ballroom, salsa etc- till ur at least moderately proficient. You will be meeting ladies at class and you will be having fun at dances, where there are usually a lot more women there who want to dance than there are guys who know how. Teaching her the steps is also great. Also may expand ur music appreciation out of just soft jazz. Lots of kinds of music are great.(Read Carrigallen's advice above)

2. When you talk to a girl, say one thing you sincerely love about her looks--eyes, smile, nose, clothing, jewelry anything. No matter what, they love it and it gives them confidence that they are looking good in ur eyes. IMO people dont really fall in love with you but rather with how you make them feel when ur around them.

3.Learn to tell a few interesting stories and a few good jokes and practice this a bit. Helps in any social situation.

4. Try to always be positive in ur comments about other people and events

5.Be masterful and confident when you are with her. Not overly needy.

6. Be a good listener. Women love to talk about problems, family relationships, etc etc. You dont need or want to come up with instant solutions. Just listen and be sympathetic.

7. This is not necessary at all; but it helps to have a car and/or an apt. Doesnt have to be a muscle machine but something where you can get some privacy together.

8. Go to places and join interest clubs where u are likely to meet nice single women. If a class mate or colleague knows y0u want to date, he may be able to introduce you to a gf's friend or a sister, cousin etc. This sounds obvious but ....


Good luck 🙂

9. Go to Nevada to a brothel. Learn proper techniques for pleasing women. Apply on a woman in your area and you will be in demand until you find the right woman.
 
ArmCandy said:
So what your saying JattMed, is it's ok that a woman marry you mainly for your wealth and title, because you'll learn to love eachother later? I think your setting yourself up for a fall.

Beside that you marry someone for their qualities, not commodities.

No........what I am saying is that -there is no way you can exclude your title, wealth, position etc from any potential relationship.
You marry based on a lot of things such as liking one another, loving one another and if one likes you for the fact that you are a doctor, well that is life.
To me it is the same as liking someone because of the way they laugh or smile-as I said before in the simplest sense any quality can be considered a commodity-your wealth, your height, your color, your job, your hair etc., etc.
So I see no 'real' difference between why people seek oneanother out except for the obvious blatant 'golddigger' which I mentioned earlier.
Now what is an obvious, blatant golddigger? I really dont know but Anna-Nicole Smith comes to mind.
However did the old coot mind? I dont think so-he had access to oversized jugs and big pouty lips.
So each person conducted a transaction based on 'commodities' and both were happy. Then enter 'disgruntled' family members.
What is there to say that marrying a doctor wont have its problems? Competition, professional jealousy, etc., etc.
Marriage isn't easy, and if you think that by excluding certain people because they may be after you for your 'position' you will be happier-however you may end up losing someone who is a beautiful person in personality and looks and end up with a beautiful in looks doctor but with a personality of a 'snake'. How would you know? She was clever enough to hide her true self until it was too late...............
I dont really get the big deal about a woman marrying a successful man. What is the big deal? I bet a lawyer had something to do with this....instilling in young impressionable doctors minds that women are after them for their money only! Then the lawyer sumbits a $400 bill for the hour when he only blurted that 'warning' out in a mere 20 seconds.
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pjv2410 said:
Have you considered that you might have social anxiety disorder?

I can completely relate to spending a lot of time by yourself, as I am kind of reclusive too. But it sounds like your issues go beyond this and that you can't even force yourself to be in social situations and that it's causing you a lot of distress.

See a psychiatrist. Maybe a bit of an SSRI is just the thing you need.



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cdc2004:

You have to honestly ask yourself why socializing is hard work for you. I imagine you've probably become pretty insecure about your social skills over the years through HS and college. So are you just insecure and afraid of looking bad? Or is there more to it? Even most people who have terrible social skills have some close friends! You might fall into one of the social phobia categories or something of that nature. You're not crazy, but don't be afraid of talking to a therapist or psychiatrist. Who knows, these things are often related to childhood, especially how your were brought up by your parents. You might benefit from some temporay SSRI's or something just to get you started on developing your social skills.

Now on to getting chicks. Most people have already touched on a lot of this stuff. However, for right now you NEED TO FORGET all the touchy feel stuff about finding true love. First work on the superficial stuff and then get used to talking to and dating girls. Once you get the basics down you can worry about finding mrs perfect. If some PA or nurse likes you, consider yourself super lucky and get to know her. Don't start worrying about her motives, marriage, or any of that stuff until you've had more experience!

The main thing that will attract women to you right now is looks. It's the honest to god truth. Humans are all genetically programmed to like good looking people of the opposite sex much more then non-good looking people. Unfortunately genetics can play a big part. But you can do a lot to turn the hand you've been dealt into a winning one. I'd say at least 30% of looks are things you can control: clothes, hair style, fitness, etc.

Now keep in mind, when trying to look good, don't let some complete and total idiot tell you to buy clothes that you personally like. You're trying to impress other people with your clothes, hair, etc. So unless you plan to stare at yourself in the mirror all night, try and tailor your looks to what girls like. Do you think guys would be gelling their hair and dressing in shiny shirts if they weren't trying to attract women? NO! It's not for you! So just keep that in mind when shopping 🙂

Clothes: You probably need to get some new threads. This is easier said then done. Try and get to know a gay guy b/c they often have great taste and like shopping (sorry to stereotype, but it's pretty common). You could also try and watch what people wear on TV, or look at what well dressed people are wearing. Also, you can't go too far wrong if you just buy brand name stuff like Kenneth Cole, cK, banana, structure, etc. These clothes aren't cheap, so try and hit the sales if possible. Late august and semptember are awesome times to find deals on summer stock or left over fall stuff. For example, on saturday I got an awesome hilfiger light weight sweater for just 15 bucks (orginally 75) and a nice bathing suit for 6 bucks (originally 38). So look around and try and get some nice stuff.

Hair: Just go to some nice salon and have a gay dude cut your hair someway fashionable. For some reason some people have some big issue with changing their hair. Just do it, nobody is going to care unless they're interested in you.

Fitness: This will be the hardest part. Are you fat or skinng? In general, gaining ten pounds of muscle and cutting your body weight will go far with the chicks. Just look at how much better treatment girls with good bodies get versus over-weight women. It's not quite as dramatic of a difference with men, but it's still important. And furthermore, getting in shape increases your confidence, self image, and sex-drive. So just join a gym and go three times a week! On really hard weeks you can go just twice and still gain ground.

Now on to socializing. Don't wait until you've made yourself "hotter," or until you've seen a therapist, or until anything. You should try to start meeting girls and making friends asap. Maybe join some clubs at school that have regular activities. Do you have any hobbies that could be used socially? For example, if you play computer games, you could try and join in some network games with other people in your school; computer nerds are usually pretty accepting (I know b/c I am one).

When it comes to meeting girls you have to accept that you'll be rejected about 10x more often then you'll score. But the one date you get will far out-weight the rejections. So don't be afraid, and don't always try to be friends first. If you see a girl who looks like she may be your type anywhere, go talk to her. She'll probably think you're weird, but it's okay b/c you have little to lose and everything to gain. So after she disses you, shrug it off and try again. Eventually, you'll get better at talking to girls and your "game" will improve. Just make it a priority. And don't try and get out of hitting on girls by making little excuses. Suck it up and just go talk to them. I don't want to hear any lame excuses like "you don't like the game." Tough, if you want to meet girls it takes work! Also, although you don't have to go to clubs, the girls in clubs are much more likely to "want" to be hit on. Thats often the reason they go. So your odds there are better then in random places.

Also, are you really up-tight about having a drink to loosen up? If you're going out on the weekends, a couple drinks (not too many) helps many people socialize without worring about how they look, etc.
 
There is much good advice here, but there is one that hasn't been addressed.

Drink alcohol alone till you build a tolerance. Unless you are small you should be able to drink a few drinks without feeling buzzed -- you don't want to be branded as a lightweight in social drinking situations.

As a med student you probably come into contact with a lot of people don't get the chance to bond with them on a social basis. Go out to the bar with your colleagues. Once the alcohol flows, your inhibitions will go too and you'll open up to people.

Once you get used to opening yourself up, you'll be able to apply those skills when you're sober and network with fine women.
 
you don't need the alcohol...if u don't drink, that's okay (i don't think u said if u do) & working on these skills sober are better in the long run. plus a more substantive relationship will most probably come from being sober, feeling confident, and someone special noticing.
 
I agree with Jaded Soul (is that a first? 😛). Once you enter clinical years you will gain a tremendous amount of confidence and people skills because you will be talking to people at the most difficult of times. I used to be rather quiet (still am, really) but I learned to project myself when I became a firefighter/EMT because I had to go into people's houses at 3 am and take charge of the situation. As an MSIII now, my skills have grown tremendously and yes, things you learn about talking to patients absolutely carry over to personal life.
 
I say join a couple of clubs at your school. That way, the people in the club shares something that you like and enjoy. Also, in that setting, people are more open to socialize. I don't know about your MSI class, but in my class, all the decent looking girls either have bfs, engaged, or married.
 
Darko said:
There is much good advice here, but there is one that hasn't been addressed.

Drink alcohol alone till you build a tolerance. Unless you are small you should be able to drink a few drinks without feeling buzzed -- you don't want to be branded as a lightweight in social drinking situations.

As a med student you probably come into contact with a lot of people don't get the chance to bond with them on a social basis. Go out to the bar with your colleagues. Once the alcohol flows, your inhibitions will go too and you'll open up to people.

Once you get used to opening yourself up, you'll be able to apply those skills when you're sober and network with fine women.
THats some rotten F'ing advice. 👎
 
This is crap! Women who are intelligent won't care about superficial garbage, I mean, unless you have hygeine issues, but you're a med student and I doubt that's a problem. You'd think the catagory of people posting on this forum could rise above the social garbage we've been trained to follow and realize that what really makes a relationship work is understanding and common interests between people. I've recently become friends with someone who I never would have thought I would be attracted to, but I have. He's not the cutest guy ever, and his fashion sense is slightly lacking at times, but he's a sweetheart, he's smart, he's mature, and he is so understanding and easygoing. That's what counts.

Just work on your interaction with others, (people in general), and the rest will come naturally. Good luck 🙂

Sledge2005 said:
👍 👍 👍 👍


cdc2004:

You have to honestly ask yourself why socializing is hard work for you. I imagine you've probably become pretty insecure about your social skills over the years through HS and college. So are you just insecure and afraid of looking bad? Or is there more to it? Even most people who have terrible social skills have some close friends! You might fall into one of the social phobia categories or something of that nature. You're not crazy, but don't be afraid of talking to a therapist or psychiatrist. Who knows, these things are often related to childhood, especially how your were brought up by your parents. You might benefit from some temporay SSRI's or something just to get you started on developing your social skills.

Now on to getting chicks. Most people have already touched on a lot of this stuff. However, for right now you NEED TO FORGET all the touchy feel stuff about finding true love. First work on the superficial stuff and then get used to talking to and dating girls. Once you get the basics down you can worry about finding mrs perfect. If some PA or nurse likes you, consider yourself super lucky and get to know her. Don't start worrying about her motives, marriage, or any of that stuff until you've had more experience!

The main thing that will attract women to you right now is looks. It's the honest to god truth. Humans are all genetically programmed to like good looking people of the opposite sex much more then non-good looking people. Unfortunately genetics can play a big part. But you can do a lot to turn the hand you've been dealt into a winning one. I'd say at least 30% of looks are things you can control: clothes, hair style, fitness, etc.

Now keep in mind, when trying to look good, don't let some complete and total idiot tell you to buy clothes that you personally like. You're trying to impress other people with your clothes, hair, etc. So unless you plan to stare at yourself in the mirror all night, try and tailor your looks to what girls like. Do you think guys would be gelling their hair and dressing in shiny shirts if they weren't trying to attract women? NO! It's not for you! So just keep that in mind when shopping 🙂

Clothes: You probably need to get some new threads. This is easier said then done. Try and get to know a gay guy b/c they often have great taste and like shopping (sorry to stereotype, but it's pretty common). You could also try and watch what people wear on TV, or look at what well dressed people are wearing. Also, you can't go too far wrong if you just buy brand name stuff like Kenneth Cole, cK, banana, structure, etc. These clothes aren't cheap, so try and hit the sales if possible. Late august and semptember are awesome times to find deals on summer stock or left over fall stuff. For example, on saturday I got an awesome hilfiger light weight sweater for just 15 bucks (orginally 75) and a nice bathing suit for 6 bucks (originally 38). So look around and try and get some nice stuff.

Hair: Just go to some nice salon and have a gay dude cut your hair someway fashionable. For some reason some people have some big issue with changing their hair. Just do it, nobody is going to care unless they're interested in you.

Fitness: This will be the hardest part. Are you fat or skinng? In general, gaining ten pounds of muscle and cutting your body weight will go far with the chicks. Just look at how much better treatment girls with good bodies get versus over-weight women. It's not quite as dramatic of a difference with men, but it's still important. And furthermore, getting in shape increases your confidence, self image, and sex-drive. So just join a gym and go three times a week! On really hard weeks you can go just twice and still gain ground.

Now on to socializing. Don't wait until you've made yourself "hotter," or until you've seen a therapist, or until anything. You should try to start meeting girls and making friends asap. Maybe join some clubs at school that have regular activities. Do you have any hobbies that could be used socially? For example, if you play computer games, you could try and join in some network games with other people in your school; computer nerds are usually pretty accepting (I know b/c I am one).

When it comes to meeting girls you have to accept that you'll be rejected about 10x more often then you'll score. But the one date you get will far out-weight the rejections. So don't be afraid, and don't always try to be friends first. If you see a girl who looks like she may be your type anywhere, go talk to her. She'll probably think you're weird, but it's okay b/c you have little to lose and everything to gain. So after she disses you, shrug it off and try again. Eventually, you'll get better at talking to girls and your "game" will improve. Just make it a priority. And don't try and get out of hitting on girls by making little excuses. Suck it up and just go talk to them. I don't want to hear any lame excuses like "you don't like the game." Tough, if you want to meet girls it takes work! Also, although you don't have to go to clubs, the girls in clubs are much more likely to "want" to be hit on. Thats often the reason they go. So your odds there are better then in random places.

Also, are you really up-tight about having a drink to loosen up? If you're going out on the weekends, a couple drinks (not too many) helps many people socialize without worring about how they look, etc.
 
cdc2004 said:
I am a 24-year-old male medical student and I've never been in a relationship, and I've never even as much as kissed a girl. My problem is that I am a very reclusive preson, I never go to parties, I don't like socializing (it's pleasure for most people and hard work for me) and I like things that most people my age don't (soft jazz music being one). I rarely if ever talk to anyone outside of my immediate family. So as a result, I don't have a network of close friends, which is apparently a prerequisite to meeting women. Recently I have been comforting myself with a thought that I am bound to attract someone sooner or later because I am going to be a frigging DOCTOR. And that's what my parents told me too. But is that really wise? Should I just stop worrying about this and focus on my med school studies, waiting for my MD to make up for my inexperience? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

go meet a prostitute if you want "experience."
 
morganlefay said:
This is crap! Women who are intelligent won't care about superficial garbage,

If you truly believe that then you're a person of very low intelligence.


morganlefay said:
I mean, unless you have hygeine issues, but you're a med student and I doubt that's a problem. You'd think the catagory of people posting on this forum could rise above the social garbage we've been trained to follow

The only social garbage we've been trained to follow is that BS your mommy and first grade teacher tried beating into your head about looks not being important. Oh yeah? So why are attributes like being taller, having an extra ten pounds of muscle, having good hair, etc all correlated with higher chances of getting promoted in the business world? Why are there so few ugly and bald politicians and actors versus the number of decent and above average looking ones?

Almost all people are genetically programmed to like better looking people better. Do good looks make someone a better person? Of course not! That's what you're first grade teacher was trying to teach you. But it doesn't mean that looks won't greatly help or hurt you. This applies even when dealing with "smart" women like yourself.



morganlefay said:
and realize that what really makes a relationship work is understanding and common interests between people.

I agree, but looks are often what gets a relationship started. Do good looks guarantee love and make a long term relationship work by itself? No, but good looks sure help in allowing you to more easily meet many potential partners until the right one comes along.

morganlefay said:
I've recently become friends with someone who I never would have thought I would be attracted to, but I have. He's not the cutest guy ever, and his fashion sense is slightly lacking at times, but he's a sweetheart, he's smart, he's mature, and he is so understanding and easygoing. That's what counts.

So you're at least in your mid 20's now if not older, and you've just for the first time in your life become attracted to someone who isn't up to your usual standard of looks. That shows that it isn't easy to overcome looks.

Also, I would bet that you're just another hypocrit! If you took that same personality of this dude and superimposed it with great looks, you'd probably be head over heels for this guy. Whereas, b/c of his lack of style and looks, you're just finding yourself surprised to be attracted to him. Yet, it's the exact same personality . . . so why the difference? But you're not superficial, rigggghhhhhttttt . . .
 
originally posted by Sledge2005

If you truly believe that then you're a person of very low intelligence.

Insulting my intelligence doesn't make it any less true that it's usually superficial people that are attracted to superficial qualities.


The only social garbage we've been trained to follow is that BS your mommy and first grade teacher tried beating into your head about looks not being important. Oh yeah? So why are attributes like being taller, having an extra ten pounds of muscle, having good hair, etc all correlated with higher chances of getting promoted in the business world? Why are there so few ugly and bald politicians and actors versus the number of decent and above average looking ones?

Almost all people are genetically programmed to like better looking people better. Do good looks make someone a better person? Of course not! That's what you're first grade teacher was trying to teach you. But it doesn't mean that looks won't greatly help or hurt you. This applies even when dealing with "smart" women like yourself.


And the prime example of someone who's completely brainwashed by the looks matter crap. Sure they matter, to a society that's inanely led by them. Looks don't cut it long term.

I agree, but looks are often what gets a relationship started. Do good looks guarantee love and make a long term relationship work by itself? No, but good looks sure help in allowing you to more easily meet many potential partners until the right one comes along.

Ok, fine, I agree.

So you're at least in your mid 20's now if not older, and you've just for the first time in your life become attracted to someone who isn't up to your usual standard of looks. That shows that it isn't easy to overcome looks.

Also, I would bet that you're just another hypocrit! If you took that same personality of this dude and superimposed it with great looks, you'd probably be head over heels for this guy. Whereas, b/c of his lack of style and looks, you're just finding yourself surprised to be attracted to him. Yet, it's the exact same personality . . . so why the difference? But you're not superficial, rigggghhhhhttttt . . .

Umm, ok, now you're just assuming things about me that you don't know. I didn't say the guy wasn't "up to my usual standards". Perhaps I should have been more clear: he's not up to the stereotypical "hot guy" that you're trying to convince the OP he should be. No one should have to fit a mold to find a partner. It's simply ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is someone trying to be someone they're not. That's obvious to any female (or male), and just stupid. And that's my $0.02.
 
I guess its safe to assume yer a pretty introverted guy. Most of the above posters gave u great advice so....I guess I shouldn't repeat what was already said. It might take u some time to find a girl, it might not. It takes a while to meet the "one". I'm quiet and didn't have a bf till after college. My cousin's quiet and same thing with her! I've met ppl who don't look like they could have significant others (that's mean but kinda true). If they're sci-fi geeks and really annoying ppl...they have significant others. So yers is out there. I'm not going to tell u how to find her or what to do...just don't worry so much about it. Sig. others usually come to u when u least expect it.
But what might help in the meantime, is going out to meet them in social settings ! Do u not have any close friends? How about classmates? family members? U should try and hang out with someone....Socializing with ppl will really help u in this world. Not just to find a gf but give u perspective on life, and job connections 🙂
 
I did meet a guy who was *cough* a virgin at 30 yrs old. But not that that's bad....but he was really really quiet and toooo nice. There's something about being tooo nice. He's a great guy. I dunno he's just got that personality I guess....pretty introverted. But he's comfortable that way he doesn't want to change. Some people are like that. I guess its up to u to change.
Or u could end up like some ppl who never marry or have a gf. Its yer life so...I'd take these posters advice and run with it! 😀
 
morganlefay said:
Insulting my intelligence doesn't make it any less true that it's usually superficial people that are attracted to superficial qualities.

Sorry, but it's actually practically EVERYBODY who's attracted to good looks. Different people have different definitions or preferences, but deep down we all still have some animal instincts that attract us to people we think are better looking. To pretend that you don't care at all about looks is most likely living a lie. At best, it must take a lot of work to keep convincing yourself that looks don't matter at all to you. I'd still bet every cent I have that if you were confronted with two potential bf's with the exact same personalities (maybe slightly different), but one was great looking and the other was ugly, you'd fall for the better looking one 10x faster then you'd fall for the ugly one.


morganlefay said:
Umm, ok, now you're just assuming things about me that you don't know. I didn't say the guy wasn't "up to my usual standards". Perhaps I should have been more clear: he's not up to the stereotypical "hot guy" that you're trying to convince the OP he should be. No one should have to fit a mold to find a partner. It's simply ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is someone trying to be someone they're not. That's obvious to any female (or male), and just stupid. And that's my $0.02.

So now you're saying that the guy is good looking? Well, then that proves my point even further and also makes you even more of a hypocrit. Face it, you're more attracted to guys who are good looking versus guys who are fat and acne faced. It doesn't matter how great someone's personality is if the person is fat and ugly b/c very few people will give them a chance in the first place. They'll just get stuck as friends.

And I'm not telling the OP to be somebody he's not. Dressing nice isn't something that has to change his personality.
 
Sledge2005 said:
Sorry, but it's actually practically EVERYBODY who's attracted to good looks. Different people have different definitions or preferences, but deep down we all still have some animal instincts that attract us to people we think are better looking. To pretend that you don't care at all about looks is most likely living a lie. At best, it must take a lot of work to keep convincing yourself that looks don't matter at all to you. I'd still bet every cent I have that if you were confronted with two potential bf's with the exact same personalities (maybe slightly different), but one was great looking and the other was ugly, you'd fall for the better looking one 10x faster then you'd fall for the ugly one.




So now you're saying that the guy is good looking? Well, then that proves my point even further and also makes you even more of a hypocrit. Face it, you're more attracted to guys who are good looking versus guys who are fat and acne faced. It doesn't matter how great someone's personality is if the person is fat and ugly b/c very few people will give them a chance in the first place. They'll just get stuck as friends.

And I'm not telling the OP to be somebody he's not. Dressing nice isn't something that has to change his personality.

Ok, look, I'm not saying that subconsciously we're *not* driven by looks. However, that's no reason to tell this guy that he should focus on changing his appearance to get a girl. Whatever the guy looks like, that's what he's always gonna look like. And anyone can tell when someone is acting/dressing/whatever, like someone they're not. I agree with the posters who said he needs to work on being more extroverted. That's simply being more social.

About my guy, what I said was he does not meet the sterotypical "hot guy" looks. I didn't say he was ugly, nor did I say he was absolutely gorgeous. He's just attractive to me, and that varies from person to person. I'm mainly attracted to him, however, because of what kind of person he is. Same for the OP. He will find a girl that's attracted to him for who he is.
 
morganlefay said:
Whatever the guy looks like, that's what he's always gonna look like. And anyone can tell when someone is acting/dressing/whatever, like someone they're not.

That is so not true. If you take a model (or anyone that is considered good looking) and have them dress like a slob, then they are not going to be perceived as attractive as they were before. Taking time to dress nicely says a lot about a person. You don't have to pretend you are someone else to look nice. I see it as an easy way to portray self-confidence.
 
JattMed said:
To me it is the same as liking someone because of the way they laugh or smile-as I said before in the simplest sense any quality can be considered a commodity-your wealth, your height, your color, your job, your hair etc., etc.
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Pork Bellies and Orange Juice are commodities. The things you listed above are qualities. I just don't understand how it can be acceptable for you to marry someone who is primarily interested in your profession. What happens when you retire? Or if you decide to change professions? Does your spouse just leave. Seems like a sad way of looking at things to me. If my wife decided tommorow that she hated the medical profession and wanted to be a seamstress, I'd be fine with it. I married her because I enjoy her company, (more than anyone elses in the world) not due to her prestige or salary. There's aword for people who use those qualities in determining with whom they have a relationship with. SHALLOW. It's not really common knowledge that shallow relationships last the longest. Now I wonder why? 😕


Rogue Leader said:
This comming from someone with the name ArmCandy :
😀 The name is a joke between my brothers and I, because I am far from simple armcandy.
 
OP, what do you mean by 'socializing is a chore?' are you afraid of rejection? do you get nervous, or think you will be embarassed? i ask because, barring the most likely scenario- which is that you are shy by normal variance, there are a number of other possibilites. 1. you could have social anxiety disorder- this doesnt seem that likely since you sound like you have been the way you are your whole life, and you don't mention being nervous (if this is the case- you could get some paroxetine). 2. you could have an avoidant personality- which would require fear of rejection and difficulty putting yourself out there- the fact that you took the risk to apply to medical school etc might make this less likely. 3. you have a schizoid personality- which would fit with the voluntary hermitism, but it sort of sounds like you want to meet a girl- but doesnt sound like you really want to make friends. schizoid people have an ego-syntotic (sp) problem, whereas avoidant people have an ego-dystonic (sp) issue. which if any are you?

on to the advice. get a sack my friend. i am a shy, nervous, nerdy, unattractive person myself- lots of people are- that is your weapon. you are just as good as anybody else- though maybe less attractive/funny etc. you will find someone just like you if you put yourself out there a little. take some rejection, eat some humble pie- and you might end up eating some real pie (excuse my french). but seriously, whenever i got out with friends that are girls- do you know how many jokers come up to them get shot down immediately and not give two sh*ts about it? i have a hard time doing stuff like that, but it makes me feel better to know that rejection is par for the course. however, seeing the lack of success of other guys makes me feel a little worried- because, seriously, unless you have something great going for you, it's all about quantity.

ps. being a med student won't get you any action if you live in a big city- where people with money rule. trust me, girls couldn't care less if i was a med student. i got out with residents to bars etc, and they get no play from girls on that tip either- it is money that counts. ie. don't wait around thinking once you become a doctor you will be set. that might have been truw 30 years ago, but no one gives a **** anymore- especially not in la, nyc, chicago, dc, miami, etc.
 
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