Please help me with my school list

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GPA: 3.98

DAT:
18 PAT
18 Math
17 Reading
18 Bio
20 Chem
21 Organic
19 AA/TS

schools:

NYU
NJ
USC
Tufts(I have cc prereqs but I have/will be completing upper level science in the same discipline so I think I'll be alright)
Detroit mercy
Temple
Midwestern illinois
Midwestern Az
Nova
Maryland
Michigan
Western
ASDOH
Case
Roseman

That's 15 schools total. I am trying to keep cost below 3k for both AADSAS fees and secondary application fees.

Any schools I should remove/add?
 
Your GPA is excellent. More than makes up for your DAT, which actually isn't bad at all either. Nothing deal breaker about it. Delete the following:

USC, Midwestern IL, Nova, Roseman.

Throw in Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and maybe even UConn and VCU. I actually think you have a good chance at getting into a state school than one of the expensive private schools. Good luck.
 
Definitely do not delete those schools listed in the previous post.
 
I think the OP has the opportunity to be choosy about the price tag, given his GPA and decent DAT scores.
 
The time to be choosy is after acceptance.

Some dentists say that they would have chosen another profession had they been accepted to only private schools costing as much as they do today. However, not everyone is motivated the same way as "some dentists".

Every year, states disinvest in higher education, both state and private schools raise tuition, and the demand/competition for HPSP goes up. If you had to attend one of these expensive schools, HPSP is your best way out of becoming an indentured servant to lenders. On the flip side, you end up serving another master but for a much shorter, more honorable duration.
 
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Some dentists say that they would have chosen another profession had they been accepted to only private schools costing as much as they do today. However, not everyone is motivated the same way as "some dentists".

Oh, thanks buddy.
 
Every year, states disinvest in higher education, both state and private schools raise tuition, and the demand/competition for HPSP goes up. If you had to attend one of these expensive schools, HPSP is your best way out of becoming an indentured servant to private lenders. On the flip side, you end up serving another master but for a much shorter, more honorable duration.

Or you could just pay student loans like everyone else. Contrary to popular belief, you aren't going to be living out of a cardboard box while paying off student loans. The most important task for the OP at this moment is to get in to dental school. Keeping those expensive, easy to get into, private schools on the list increase his chance of acceptance. If the OP, or anyone for that matter, put in all the effort in UG and studying for the DAT, only got into an expensive school, and turned down that acceptance to pursue a different career, I would suspect their dedication, passion for the field was the problem, not the money.
 
Or you could just pay student loans like everyone else. Contrary to popular belief, you aren't going to be living out of a cardboard box while paying off student loans. The most important task for the OP at this moment is to get in to dental school. Keeping those expensive, easy to get into, private schools on the list increase his chance of acceptance. If the OP, or anyone for that matter, put in all the effort in UG and studying for the DAT, only got into an expensive school, and turned down that acceptance to pursue a different career, I would suspect their dedication, passion for the field was the problem, not the money.

Well, I would also love to raise dogs, leisurely study, cook, or whatever. But you can't just pick a career that you love without considering a ROI. Would you seriously recommend undergrads to pursue sociology, psychology, or history fields, knowing full well that their field is already saturated or that their degree is just not marketable and therefore useless?

When you come out of dental school with $400K, there's significant pressure for you to make >$100K straight out of school because high interest is accruing and capitalizing on every dime of your principle which you want to pay off as soon as possible. Most likely, you'll be limited to working in unfavorable areas at less than enjoyable hours than is necessary had you gone to a more affordable school. You'll be making loan repayments reaching almost half your income (-$48K) for at best ten years. You'll have a ridiculous debt-to-income ratio making it more difficult to buy a practice or a home. You end up holding off on that dream practice of yours that affords you the autonomy of a traditional dentist. Then you have second thoughts about having as many kids because you know you can't support them with as much resources as you would like. You obviously will not end up homeless. But you will start to realize that you spent all that effort, time, and money to end up in a career that compensates very comparably to that of a schoolteacher, who invested far less in their education, time, stress, and effort than you. In a profession where you see your day-to-day work as physical projects, it's hard not to make a mental note in the back of your head that 50% of all your apparent effort is going out of your pockets and into the pockets of lenders. That's not a good feeling. I think it is beyond your available imagination to comprehend living this situation for ten years. Now look at this from the perspective of a second generation American whose parents immigrated to the U.S., busted their tails off by working 11 hour days/7 days a week, not because they loved their work but because they had to. Don't you think their child feels some obligation to raise his/her parents' standard of living after they've sacrificed so much? How can he/she do so with student debt preventing even themselves from an above average standard of living, one that is a humble, comfortable, and secure financial nest egg and not an excessive consumption pattern.

You could say that after repayment, everything is smooth sailing, but your quality of life during those years of repayment may have been better had you pursued another beloved profession.

http://www.towniecentral.com/MessageBoard/thread.aspx?s=2&f=109&t=178204&v=1
 
Well, I would also love to raise dogs, leisurely study, cook, or whatever. But you can't just pick a career that you love without considering a ROI. Would you seriously recommend undergrads to pursue sociology, psychology, or history fields, knowing full well that their field is already saturated or that their degree is just not marketable and therefore useless?

When you come out of dental school with $400K, there's significant pressure for you to make >$100K straight out of school because high interest is accruing and capitalizing on every dime of your principle which you want to pay off as soon as possible. Most likely, you'll be limited to working in unfavorable areas at less than enjoyable hours than is necessary had you gone to a more affordable school. You'll be making loan repayments reaching almost half your income (-$48K) for at best ten years. You'll have a ridiculous debt-to-income ratio making it more difficult to buy a practice or a home. You end up holding off on that dream practice of yours that affords you the autonomy of a traditional dentist. Then you have second thoughts about having as many kids because you know you can't support them with as much resources as you would like. You obviously will not end up homeless. But you will start to realize that you spent all that effort, time, and money to end up in a career that compensates very comparably to that of a schoolteacher, who invested far less in their education, time, stress, and effort than you. In a profession where you see your day-to-day work as physical projects, it's hard not to make a mental note in the back of your head that 50% of all your apparent effort is going out of your pockets and into the pockets of lenders. That's not a good feeling. I think it is beyond your available imagination to comprehend living this situation for ten years. Now look at this from the perspective of a second generation American whose parents immigrated to the U.S., busted their tails off by working 11 hour days/7 days a week, not because they loved their work but because they had to. Don't you think their child feels some obligation to raise his/her parents' standard of living after they've sacrificed so much? How can he/she do so with student debt preventing even themselves from an above average standard of living, that is a humble, comfortable, and secure financial nest egg and not an excessive consumption pattern.

You could say that after repayment, everything is smooth sailing, but your qualify of life during those years of repayment may have been better had you pursued another beloved profession.

http://www.towniecentral.com/MessageBoard/thread.aspx?s=2&f=109&t=178204&v=1

You fail to consider several KEY things. You mention children so I think I'm safe in assuming you plan to live with a significant other directly following dental school, which provides the potential for a second income. If your significant other is the type who doesn't want to work, I don't feel sorry for you. If you do not plan to have a family immediately after school, it is simply you providing for yourself which you will be able to do more than comfortably. Caring for dogs, cooking, and studying don't really put too much strain on a wallet. Next, lets assume you do have to live like a school teacher the big difference is your income is only comparable to a school teacher temporarily, Meanwhile Mrs. Abernathy the sixth grade Home Ec. teacher is gonna be making that until she retires at 70. I understand the desire to help out your parents if they need it, I myself plan to do so. BUT that doesn't mean you have to buy them a house and send them on vacation the day you graduate, these things take time and I think the parents would be more than grateful for whatever assistance they get, whenever it arrived.

I might just think a little different than most everyone here, perhaps that is because I grew up poor and what most everyone here calls living modestly, looks like ballin to me. Its all about perspective. If you are a practicing dentist you aren't going to be poor, regardless of how much you took out in loans, you may not be able to live a lavish lifestyle right away but, maybe that's for the best, it gives you a chance to learn the value of a dollar.

Apply to USC buddy and if that's the only place you get in GO.
 
Just agree to disagree guys. You've said your piece for the world to see and its a rollicking read. Two different perspectives and all!

@ OP - Make sure you know what PBL is at USC. It doesn't work for everyone and its an expensive school. 3K is a lot of budget for apps alone so you should be fine.

Unless you are a MI or MD resident I would avoid applying there. They are OOS friendly schools only to people with high stats. Your GPA is bullet proof, but your DAT is "average" for those accepted. Definitely apply to all schools in your state!

Lastly, elaborate more on what you're looking for in dental school, what your plans afterwards are (specializing?). There are plenty of folks here who are really knowledgeable but you gotta give'em some more info before they can properly help ya!
 
Just agree to disagree guys. You've said your piece for the world to see and its a rollicking read. Two different perspectives and all!

@ OP - Make sure you know what PBL is at USC. It doesn't work for everyone and its an expensive school. 3K is a lot of budget for apps alone so you should be fine.

Unless you are a MI or MD resident I would avoid applying there. They are OOS friendly schools only to people with high stats. Your GPA is bullet proof, but your DAT is "average" for those accepted. Definitely apply to all schools in your state!

Lastly, elaborate more on what you're looking for in dental school, what your plans afterwards are (specializing?). There are plenty of folks here who are really knowledgeable but you gotta give'em some more info before they can properly help ya!

At this point I just want to be a general dentist. I am actually happy just to become one.

What other schools have PBL beside lecom and USC? I don't think i would like that very much.

Also, I am planning on applying for HPSP so school tuition isn't an issue. However, I prefer schools in a state with nice weather:laugh:
 
Don't expect to get HPSP. It's getting more and competitive by the minute.

Case has a partial PBL curriculum.
 
Yeah I understand. If I don't get the HPSP there is no way I am going to tufts or USC or even NYU. sigh...

For anyone else out there thinking about going to these private schools, please make sure you know exactly what you're getting your future self into. Talk to an accountant or make a realistic financial spreadsheet. I just got my updated cost-of-attendance sheet for my state school and they jacked up the tuition by 8%.
 
I can attest to this. It was ultra competitive this year, in particular. If you're not within medical waiver / weight requirements and aren't accepted to dental school by January with a completed application packet you're at a severe disadvantage to getting selected. There were less than 80 available HPSP slots for the Navy this year so the best time to get a move on the scholarship is to work on your packet concurrently with your AADSAS application.

thanks for the advice. What about the army?
 
Nothing is easy right now. Free money doesn't come easy. If you want to get HPSP, you should talk to a recruiter right about this very instant. My friend got the navy scholarship and it took forever for her. They can be notoriously slow.
 
Nothing is easy right now. Free money doesn't come easy. If you want to get HPSP, you should talk to a recruiter right about this very instant. My friend got the navy scholarship and it took forever for her. They can be notoriously slow.

I have been speaking to a recruiter since months ago. She said I should start working on my application in october.

I am really really worried about tuition. If i don't get into my state school or fail to receive the HPSP then I am probably not going to dental school. I don't think borrowing 300-400 thousands is a good idea.
 
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