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hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions
 
reni said:
hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions

You should NOT go for it if the school is not accredited because you can only take your license exam, internship permit if u are in an ACCREDITED program.

It will affect you in that you . . . cannot take your license exam. This is not to say that the program wouldnt be accredited or granted accreditation in the future, but why risk it?
 
As the above poster mentioned, I believe in CA you must have graduated from an accredited school of pharmacy to be able to take the state board exam. Not sure how far you have to go to get to this interview, but if you do decide to go, it most definitely would be a question to ask. Perhaps their accreditation is in review (I have no familiarity with this university). But, accreditation is only for a set # of years, I would want to know why they don't have it or why it was removed.......
 
This is an advising question, and therefore it is being moved to the Pre-Pharmacy forum.

There is a list of schools that have not yet received full accreditation in the FAQ stickied above. This list is also the list of new schools that have opened this year or will open in 2006. There are also a few on the list (Wingate, UCSD, South, etc.) that have yet to graduate their first class (which will occur in a year or two), and therefore only have Candidate Status.

This topic has been discussed at length, and it may be helpful to perform a search of the forum with a keyword of "accreditation" or something to that effect. No one can make this decision for you of whether or not you should go; that is up to you.
 
sdn1977 said:
I would want to know why they don't have it or why it was removed.......

Pacific University does not have full accreditation because it is a brand new pharmacy program. Full accreditation occurs after the inaugural class graduates.
 
I will be going to Pacific University in the fall. They cannot be fully accredited until they have graduated the first class. They are however exactly where they should be with the accreditation process. At the interview they will explain this process to you, and where they stand. 🙂
 
reni said:
hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions

I would absolutely still go to the interview. Getting an interview is an honor regardless of the school's status. You definitely do not want to "close any doors" where possible acceptances are concerned. I'm assuming you applied to other accredited schools but you never know what might happen.
 
Do you know if Pacific Univ. is still giving interview invites? I applied to the school and have not heard from them in a couple months. I only received an email a couple months ago that my application file is complete.
 
Kaya31 said:
I will be going to Pacific University in the fall. They cannot be fully accredited until they have graduated the first class. They are however exactly where they should be with the accreditation process. At the interview they will explain this process to you, and where they stand. 🙂
And you would know they are exactly where they are suppose to be because???
 
reni said:
hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions


If I were you (which I am not) I will take a good look at the reputation of the school in other programs of study. I will go for the interview if the college of pharmacy is new and yet to graduate it first class. But most importantly I would ask current pharmacy students about the program and the probability of the school getting it accreditation.
 
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Abilify said:
And you would know they are exactly where they are suppose to be because???

You can always contact AACP to inquire about a pharmacy schools acreditation status.
 
Bananay said:
If I were you (which I am not) I will take a good look at the reputation of the school in other programs of study. I will go for the interview if the college of pharmacy is new and yet to graduate it first class. But most importantly I would ask current pharmacy students about the program and the probability of the school getting it accreditation.
ok...
that's great and all...

but

how are the current students going to know about the probability of a school becoming accredited?

i mean...
there were many many many folks on some island last year that were convinced they were going to a good school that would be accredited...
 
reni said:
hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions

Introduction to the Professional Degree Program Accreditation Process

Accreditation is the public recognition accorded a professional program that is judged to meet established qualifications and educational standards through initial and subsequent periodic evaluations. Accreditation applies to professional programs and is distinguished from certification or licensure, which applies to individuals. Professional programs in pharmacy are those leading to the baccalaureate in pharmacy and the doctor of pharmacy degrees. Those programs accredited by the ACPE are published in the annual Directory of Accredited Professional Programs of Colleges and Schools of Pharmacy. Recognition of the baccalaureate in pharmacy or the doctor of pharmacy program in the Directory denotes overall compliance with the standards of the respective degree program. It does not imply or infer that all baccalaureate in pharmacy or all doctor of pharmacy programs in the Directory are totally equivalent. Accreditation standards include both quantitative and qualitative parameters.

A professional program is evaluated on the extent to which it accomplishes its stated goals and is consistent with the concept that pharmacy is a unique, personal service profession in the health science field. In the application of these standards, literal conformity in every detail is not required. Variations are to be expected, and superiority in certain qualities may compensate, at least in part, for deficiencies in others. Many college and school programs exceed Council standards in one or more of the various elements comprising accreditation. In pharmacy education, as in American education generally, there is diversity. In this diversity there is potential strength. The accreditation process, therefore, seeks to maximize potential strengths while assuring basic expectations for quality pharmacy education.

The essential purpose of the accreditation process is to provide a professional judgment of the quality of a college or school of pharmacy's professional program(s) and to encourage continued improvement thereof. Accreditation concerns itself with both quality assurance and quality enhancement. The responsibilities of ACPE's accreditation program are:

1. To advance the standards of pharmacy education in the United States and associated commonwealths.

2. To formulate the educational, scientific and professional principles and standards for professional programs in pharmacy which a college or school of pharmacy is expected to meet and maintain for accreditation of its programs, and to revise these principles and standards when deemed necessary or advisable.

3. To formulate policies and procedures for the accreditation process.

4. To evaluate the professional program(s) of any college or school of pharmacy within or beyond its national geographic scope that requests accreditation of its program(s).

5. To publish a directory of accredited professional programs of colleges and schools of pharmacy for the use of state boards of pharmacy or appropriate state licensing agencies in pharmacy, other interested agencies, and the public, and to revise such directory annually or as frequently as deemed desirable.

6. To provide assurances to constituencies that the professional programs which have been accredited continue to comply with standards, and therefore to conduct periodic evaluations in a manner similar to that for original accreditation.

7. To assist the advancement and improvement of pharmacy education as well as prerequisites and procedures for licensure and to provide a basis for inter-institutional relationships.

Accreditation of professional degree programs in pharmacy provides a national basis for quality assurance. In so doing, the accreditation process serves multiple constituencies:

For boards of pharmacy, accreditation provides a reliable basis for decision-making with regard to licensure.

For the public, accreditation assures conformity to general expectations of the profession and identification of colleges and schools of pharmacy which have explicitly undertaken activities directed at improving the quality of their professional programs, and are carrying them out successfully. Accreditation also assures improvement in the professional services available to the general public in that accredited programs are expected to modify their requirements to reflect advances in knowledge and practice.

For students and prospective students, accreditation assists in the transfer of credits among institutions and provides an assurance that a program has been found to provide satisfactory educational preparation for licensure and practice.

For institutions of higher education, accreditation provides a framework for self-evaluation and improvement as well as opportunity for external review and counsel. Accreditation also provides a basis for the decision-making of private and public agencies, including the Department of Education, in the awarding of grants and loans.

For the profession, accreditation provides a means for practitioner participation in the setting of requirements for preparation to enter the profession.
 
Pharmcdc said:
You can always contact AACP to inquire about a pharmacy schools acreditation status.
What would AACP tell me since they have nothing to do with the accreditation?

Also, do a search on HICP. You may learn something from them....
 
reni said:
hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions

Please with due respect I would appreciate it if you will make out time to go to this web link and find out things for your self. Good luck Let it be known that all the big league pharmacy schools went through teh process of accreditation.

http://www.acpe-accredit.org/deans/policies.asp
 
Abilify said:
What would AACP tell me since they have nothing to do with the accreditation?

Also, do a search on HICP. You may learn something from them....


Hey, you are smart than these words you had up there. Think and use your smartness in the positive manner. Read this:
http://www.acpe-accredit.org/deans/policies.asp

All accreditted Pharmacy schools were once unaccreditted. They passed through the same procedure as Pacific would in a short while. The young shall grow. You were once a child and now you are a grown man. Think fast and check out the credibility of the school we are dealing with. This school has some health professional courses in existence over 50 years. Thibk about the excellent academic record they have. Well, if you don't trust or believe Pacific; I do. Not because I am accepted into their program but because I did an intensive research and I know I could rely on their credibilty.

Good luck and God's grace as you make the one big decision that will change your life for the good.
 
Abilify said:
What would AACP tell me since they have nothing to do with the accreditation?

Also, do a search on HICP. You may learn something from them....
The ACPE is recognized for the accreditation and preaccreditation (precandidate and candidate status) of professional programs in pharmacy by the Secretary of Education, United States Department of Education. ACPE accreditation serves to establish eligibility for participation in a variety of federally funded programs, not including eligibility for Title IV Programs, Higher Education Act, 1965, as amended
 
reni said:
hi i got interview call from pacific university, oregon...............but i recently found out that this university is non accredited.....i know this is dumb question but please help me out...........wat is the difference b/w non accredited and accredited and how does it affects being pharmacist in us if i get accepted to university...........basically should i go for it or not???please please reply in urgent i have interview this coming friday..........thanks in advance for ur help and suggestions
Types of Accreditation Status and Notification of Accrediting Decisions

9.1 Accreditation
Initial or Continued Accreditation. The professional program of a College or School of Pharmacy is granted initial or continued accreditation if it has been demonstrated to the satisfaction of the ACPE that the program complies with accreditation standards, including the appropriateness of program purposes, the adequacy of resources and organization to meet those purposes, educational outcomes which indicate that those purposes are being met, and the reasonable assurance of the continued meeting of those purposes.

In the event that evaluation presents program concerns of such character so as impact upon prospects for continued compliance with a standard or standards may result in non-compliance with a standard or standards if not adequately addressed, cautionary notice is given. The chief executive officer of the institution and the Dean of the College or School of Pharmacy are given a period of time, generally not more than one year, to demonstrate that the program will continue in compliance. During this period, the accreditation status of the program is continued and the program is designated as having Cautionary Notice. The response of the institution to Cautionary Notice should be presented in writing in advance of the meeting in which the program is scheduled for consideration. The chief executive officer of the institution, or a designate, and the Dean of the College or School of Pharmacy are invited to attend this meeting and present comments. If the response is inadequate and the program is found to be in non-compliance with a standard or standards, the program will be placed in a probationary status. Such probationary status will be published in the ACPE Directory along with appropriate notifications as set forth in 9.13 below.

Upon initial or continued accreditation of a program, or in the event of voluntary withdrawal from accreditation, or upon a decision to let accreditation lapse, written notification of such actions shall be made to the U.S. Secretary of Education, the appropriate State licensing or authorizing agency, the appropriate regional and/or other accrediting agencies, and the public within 30 days. Public notification includes presentation on the ACPE web site.

9.2 Probation
A professional program of a College or School of Pharmacy that has been granted accreditation and is subsequently determined to be in non-compliance with a standard or standards will be given the accreditation status of probation. Due notice of this action, indication of the area(s) of non-compliance, and the time period within which the program is expected to bring itself into compliance with standards, are given. The response of the institution should be presented in writing in advance of the meeting in which the program is scheduled for consideration. The chief executive officer of the institution, or a designate, and the Dean of the College or School of Pharmacy are invited to personally attend this meeting and present comments. Probation reflects a diminished accreditation status. Graduates of a program in a probationary status retain all the rights and privileges associated with an accredited program. Probation is not an adverse accreditation action. Adverse accreditation action is defined as withdrawal or denial of accreditation or preaccreditation. Adverse accreditation action will be taken if a College or School of Pharmacy fails to bring a program into compliance within the period specified by the Council; such time period shall not exceed two years and may be extended only for good cause.
Written notification of probationary action shall be made to the U.S. Secretary of Education, the appropriate State licensing or authorizing agency, appropriate regional and/or other accrediting agencies, and the public, at the same time the institution is notified of the probationary action, but no later than 30 days after the decision is made. Public notification includes presentation on the ACPE web site.

9.3 Preaccreditation
A newly instituted Doctor of Pharmacy program of a College or School of Pharmacy maybe granted one of two preaccreditation statuses, depending upon its stage of development. In the instance of a newly founded College or School of Pharmacy, the program generally progresses through both statuses. The standards are the same as those employed for accredited status, however, preaccreditation involves, in large measure, planning in accord with standards and provision of reasonable assurances for a quality outcome.

9.3.1 Precandidate: A new program that has no students enrolled but has a Dean may be granted Precandidate accreditation status. The granting of Precandidate status indicates that a College or School’s planning for the Doctor of Pharmacy program has taken into account ACPE standards and guidelines and suggests reasonable assurances of moving to the next step, that of Candidate status. Granting of Precandidate status brings no rights or privileges of accreditation. Full public disclosure by the College or School of Pharmacy of the terms and conditions of this accreditation status is required.

9.3.2 Candidate: A new program that has students enrolled but has not had a graduating class may be granted Candidate status. The granting of Candidate status denotes a developmental program, which is expected to mature in accord with stated plans and within a defined time period. Reasonable assurances are expected to be provided that the program may become accredited as programmatic experiences are gained, generally, by the time the first class has graduated. Graduates of a class designated as having Candidate status have the same rights and privileges as graduates of an accredited program.

Upon granting preaccreditation status (Precandidate or Candidate) to a program, or in the event of voluntary withdrawal from preaccreditation, or upon a decision to let preaccreditation lapse, written notification of such action shall be made to the U.S. Secretary of Education, the appropriate state licensing or authorizing agency, the appropriate regional and/or other accrediting agencies, and the public within 30 days. Public notification includes presentation on the ACPE web site.

10. Adverse Action, Denial or Withdrawal of Accreditation

When the ACPE determines that the professional program of a College or School of Pharmacy fails to comply with standards and that identified deficiencies have not been satisfactorily addressed, initial accreditation or preaccreditation may be denied, or the existing preaccreditation or accreditation status may be withdrawn. The denial of initial accreditation or preaccreditation status or the withdrawal of accreditation or preaccreditation status is considered an adverse accreditation action. Withdrawal of accreditation will generally, but not necessarily, occur after Cautionary Notice has been given and/or a period of probation. After availing themselves of other opportunities to avoid such adverse action, institutions may initiate the formal ACPE Appeal Procedure for an Adverse Accreditation Action as outlined in Section 13.
Notification of any adverse action by the Council shall be in writing and delivered by certified mail to the chief executive officer of the institution affected. Such notification shall give a statement of reasons for the adverse accreditation action along with notice of the right to appeal and the time constraints for initiating such an appeal. Any time after the effective date of denial or withdrawal, the chief executive officer of the institution may reapply for accreditation. The reapplication shall follow standard evaluation procedures set forth for evaluation of the professional program in pharmacy for purposes of preaccreditation, initial or continuing accreditation as applicable. If preaccreditation or accreditation is granted, that fact will be made public and the accreditation status will be indicated in the Directory of Accredited Professional Programs of Colleges and Schools of Pharmacy.
Subsequent to a final decision (after appeal or opportunity to appeal) to deny or withdraw accreditation or preaccreditation, written notification shall be made to the institution within 30 days, and at the same time as institutional notification, to the U. S. Secretary of Education, the appropriate State licensing or authorizing agency, and the appropriate regional and/or other accrediting agencies, and the public. Public notification includes presentation on the ACPE web site. A brief statement summarizing the reasons for denying or withdrawing preaccreditation or accreditation, and any comments from the affected institution shall be made available not later than 60 days after such final action to the U.S. Secretary of Education, the appropriate state licensing or authorizing agency, and the appropriate regional and/or other accrediting agencies, and, upon request, to the public.
 
DannyPx said:
The ACPE is recognized for the accreditation and preaccreditation (precandidate and candidate status) of professional programs in pharmacy by the Secretary of Education, United States Department of Education. ACPE accreditation serves to establish eligibility for participation in a variety of federally funded programs, not including eligibility for Title IV Programs, Higher Education Act, 1965, as amended
I believe this was the point that Abilify was making....
 
DannyPx said:
The ACPE is recognized for the accreditation and preaccreditation (precandidate and candidate status) of professional programs in pharmacy by the Secretary of Education, United States Department of Education. ACPE accreditation serves to establish eligibility for participation in a variety of federally funded programs, not including eligibility for Title IV Programs, Higher Education Act, 1965, as amended
Again, what does AACP have to do with accreditation?

By any chance, is there a guy on staff by the name of H.A. Hassan?
 
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bbmuffin said:
ok...
that's great and all...

but

how are the current students going to know about the probability of a school becoming accredited?

i mean...
there were many many many folks on some island last year that were convinced they were going to a good school that would be accredited...

the best way to learn is to do research in different forms and that will be to find out from those who are there or getting there. but my response was to the orginal question posted by Reni as urgent. just to make it clear, since Reni already applied it will not be a good idea to turn down the interview. plus there are speculation that the school is just about graduating it first time pharmacy class which would inturn allow it to complete it accredition. but if you already know someone or some people who graduated and are still struggling or waiting for accredition then i would suggest that you drop the school from your list unless you want to waste your money. speaking about ther probability, i did not mean a written statistic done by another person, you make your own and decide what to do.
 
Can't help but to ask...
Does anyone know of any "new" (back then) programs in the past that was started but ended up shutting the doors because they DIDN'T :scared: get accredited?

I know about what happened at the school in Hawaii...my friend's brother used to go there. Now he is in same shoes as I am, applying to other programs.
 
Hawaii College of Pharmacy
 
So Reni....I'm curious....did you go to the interview? What did you find out? Did you like the school?
 
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