PM&R advice to applicants

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j4pac

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Update: 4/19/2025

It's been quite the journey. I started this thread as an applicant about a decade ago with the purpose of understanding the civilian match process coming from military medicine. I found that there was not much transparency and all of the resources to help applicants make informed decisions were incredibly lacking or disorganized. So I compiled every bit of data and information that I could find to help myself be more informed about getting into the specialty, and then I compiled those details within this thread.

Fortunately, I was able to match into a civilian PM&R program, and subsequently learned even more about the match process while in residency and now in leadership within PM&R academics. These are, of course, my own opinions based on the statistics available and my own experience in mentoring over the last decade. But no two applicants are identical, neither are two programs, and there is a bit of randomness to this process. I encourage you to seek out personal mentorship from someone invested in you that has an idea of the path you’re taking. Not everyone’s situation falls under my broad advice. Take that into consideration. The data that I am sharing is 100% publicly available through NRMP, AAMC, and Residency Explorer (AAMC).


PRE-MEDS (MD vs DO vs IMG)
If you read enough SDN, the general consensus is MD>DO>IMG. But if you know for certain that you want to do PM&R, does it matter? To get this answer you have to look at the NRMP Match Data Sheets. There is a lot of data that can be interpreted in a number of way. The specialty specific stats get split into three categories: 1) only choice, 2) first choice, and 3) not first choice. I'm going to focus my attention on the first category, because that has the best statistics (especially for USMD/DO). USMD had 183 applicants matched and 21 applicants unmatched (89.7% match rate), and DO had 90 applicants matched and 28 applicants unmatched (76.2% match rate). There were far fewer IMG that ranked PM&R as their only choice, with only 10 applicants matched and 21 applicants unmatched (32.2% match rate). Looking at the data a little different, when considering ALL applicants (including those with multiple specialties ranked), there were 213 USMD matched applicants with 35 unmatched applicants (85.9% match rate). There were 134 DO matched applicants and 77 unmatched applicants (63.5% match rate). There were 15 IMG matched applicants and 19 unmatched applicants (44.1% match rate). Also note that IMGs have the lowest graduation rate of all school types. So my recommendation would be to avoid IMG. I would work hard to get into MD school, and use DO as a fall back plan. PM&R is considered a "DO-friendly" specialty, maybe the most friendly of all ACGME specialties, so consider how much lower the acceptance rate would be for other ACGME specialties. Graduates (of all types) are also statistically at a disadvantage (with the one exception being military applicants).

VSLO/AWAY ROTATIONS

I’ve decided to include this section, because as the field becomes more competitive it becomes more important to have a good strategy in place for Away/home rotations. I’d highly recommend doing at least two home/away rotations in the specialty of PM&R, if possible. You can get by with one but there are some advantages to more than one. I would try to include both inpatient and outpatient exposure. The subspeciality involved does not matter. Earlier rotations are nice because there is a better chance to be able to get an academic letter of recommendation. Speaking of LOR’s, the AAP is strongly encouraging programs to write and request SLOE (Standardized Letter of Evaluation). Time will tell how many programs actually require it, but the number is likely going to be higher than 0%. I’d request your letter writer to fill out the SLOE form, and include a narrative letter of recommendation in the appropriate space within the form. More on that in the next section.

VSLO is the system that is used by most programs to submit rotating clerkship applications. Just a few words of wisdom regarding the actual system. First, VSLO is not very organized when it comes to notifying you of application windows. Unfortunately, there is not a single site that shows every PM&R program’s application windows, so you have to do some leg work on your own. It is worth the investment to research the programs that you are most interested, figure out their application windows, and requirements. Second, there are steps that take place between the time that you submit your completed application and the program actually receives your application package through VSLO. Programs may have an office of medical school clerkships that screens the packages for completion. Next, the students registrar’s office often have to sign off on the rotation. It’s not until then that the application is viewable by the reviewers at the program. At that point, you’re in limbo. I make it a point to email applicants to notify them about timelines and the process of review after receiving their application. From what I hear, that is not common. My program performs a holistic review of all applications that it receives and offers, waitlist notifications, and denial notifications are all sent out roughly a week after the window closes. From what I understand, that is not often what happens at most programs. It is typically first come first served (or a rolling application review). So with that said, I have two recommendation: 1) after submitting your application I’d notify the program coordinator, 2) I’d try to get your application in relatively quickly. I have seen a handful of students get penalized for their registrars office not clearing their application in a timely manner.

SLOE (LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION)
This is a topic that now deserves its own category, as it'll be new for 2025-2026 and I don't think there is a good understanding of what is expected. The AAP has done a very good job of getting information out there, but to ensure that you see it as many places as possible, I'm also going to say a few words about it. As PM&R is getting more competitive, it is getting more difficult for programs to differentiate applicants. The SLOE is designed to help programs with that process. It's essentially a checkbox evaluation but with a section to include a traditional narrative-based letter of recommendation.

The AAP has strongly encouraged programs to require one SLOE letter of recommendation and there will be a percentage of programs that will make it a requirement. You'll have to look at program websites to learn whether or not it is required, but I'm guessing that there'll be enough programs requiring it that you'll want one. When you ask for a PM&R LOR, you'll want it to be done through the SLOE form. The last I checked the AAP was on version 3 of the form, so they may still be tinkering with it before the final one is put out. Stay tuned.

TYPES OF PM&R PROGRAMS
I will break this up into three categories: Advanced, Categorical, and Physician (R). Advanced programs are three year programs which start PGY-2. Categorical programs are four year programs that start PGY-1. Physician (R) programs are three year programs that start PGY-2. The difference between Advanced and Physician (R) is that you apply two years in advance for Advanced programs, and same year for Physician (R). Physician (R) is valuable for those who have already started post-graduate training. In regards to competitiveness of types of programs, categorical are typically the most competitive because most applicants don’t want to move between internship and residency, and it is also easier to match to one program vs two (PGY1 and PGY2). Physician (R) spots are competitive because there are typically less than 10 spots total available per year. Military folks…timing is important. If you are getting out in two years…you need to apply to advanced programs now! Use applying to categorical/physician (R) as a fall back plan next year. But it isn’t ideal because you may need to get your separation request in before even the military match same year.

AM I COMPETITIVE FOR PM&R
Let me start by saying that PM&R, despite being one of the most competitive specialties by sheer numbers, is one of the more forgiving specialties in terms of board scores. I am not going to say that your numbers don’t matter, because they do. But you are more likely to get an interview at a reputable PM&R residency without elite scores than many of the other competitive specialties. PM&R prides itself on “fit” and “personality”. If you are a gunner…stay away, because you will stick out like a sore thumb. Many programs conduct a holistic review of applications, but I'd acknowledge that some applicants are helped more than others. Individuals from underrepresented backgrounds, such as ethnic minorities, military, and those with disabilities are more likely to benefit from holistic review than individuals not within those groups. On the most recent program director survey, the most significant factor in the decision to conduct a holistic review is "increase resident diversity". Both the average USMLE rate for matched individuals and the overall match percentage is very similar for PM&R and all specialties. It's a semi competitive specialty regarding board scores, but the competition comes in the form of large number of applicants with limited seats.

ERAS
ERAS is the system used to submit your application to programs you are interested. I'm going to include this here to help preserve your wellness. I recommend opening a new email account specific for receiving interview invitations. Then you can set push notifications for receiving emails from that specific account. Most programs are good about giving applicants plenty of time to respond to interview invites so that you do not have to rush out of a patient encounter in the middle of the day to coordinate interviews. However, with that said, there are still some reports of not every program being civil/humane on this matter. By setting push notifications on your phone connected to your email you get immediate notifications about interviews so that you can be prompt on replying. The importance of not linking your school or primary personal email is because it would be distracting to get frequent push notifications for emails not specific to interviews, and has a high likelihood of adding to OCD tendencies and anxiety.

HOW MANY PROGRAMS TO APPLY/HOW MANY PROGRAM TO RANK
This is an excellent topic and you'll get a variety of opinions. I've decide to combine these two different topics into one section because even though, chronologically, you interview before you rank programs, the ultimate goal is to match. I'm going to discuss the match/ranking statistics first, which will help you better understand the context of applications.

If you look at charting outcomes you will see a graph that is commonly referenced to determine how many programs to rank. That graph shows that an applicant that ranks 12-13 programs contiguously has a 90% chance to match, and after that point there are diminishing returns and the probability never gets to 100%. Understand that there is quite a bit of bias that goes into that graph. First, most applicants are aware of the information derived from the graph (either from seeing the graph or being told by someone that you need "x" number of interviews to match). So the significant majority of applicants are intentionally meeting that threshold. But does an applicant need 12-13 ranked programs to match? The answer is not necessarily. For example, there are many applicants that match at their #1 ranked program. They clearly didn't need 12-13 ranked programs to match, they only need one. There are also individuals with over 15 ranked programs that fail to match. Applicants don't match by having a ton of interviews (though getting a ton of interviews is often a reflection of the strength of the applicant), they match by being ranked highly by at least one program.

In most cases, the individuals that match, do so by matching HIGHLY on their own rank list. There are not available statistics specific for PM&R, but there are stats on this topic that incorporate all specialties, and considering that PM&R is a middle of the pack specialty regarding competitiveness, I think that it is fair to extrapolate these trends to apply to PM&R. Here is how USMD's match based on their rank list: 1st rank 45%, 2nd rank 14%, 3rd rank 10%, 4th rank 7%, >4th rank 20%, unmatched 6%. That means that 74% of the applicants only needed four programs on their rank list to match. The DO stats aren't considerably different: 1st rank 43%, 2nd rank 16%, 3rd rank 10%, 4th rank 7%, >4th rank 17%, unmatched 8%. Again, 75% of applicants only need to rank 4 programs to match. So it is clear that most individuals that match do so by matching highly on their rank list. How many applicants are actually matching at programs ranked below 8 on their rank list? The number has be very low (sub-10%). But as it stands, there is very little downside to ranking every program that you interview, and the average USMD applicant is ranking over 16 programs (likely slightly inflated because programs with both categorical and advanced programs are counted twice). The average applicant should attempt to rank at least 8 program.

Are all interview invites created equal? This is a topic very difficult to study. More work needs to be done to determine the characteristics of those that match versus those that do not match. I do know that an interview linked to a home/away PM&R rotation has more opportunity than the interviews without a rotation. I believe that this would be especially true during the age of virtual interviews. The key to matching isn't getting 12-13+ interviews, it's getting ranked to match by at least one program. An applicant doing well on a rotation tied with doing well on an interview is going to have an advantage. I say all of this to tell you that if you have multiple home/away rotations and 8 interviews I'd feel more confident in your ability to match than 8 interviews with one home/away rotation. The number of home/away PM&R rotations, as well as the overall strength of the applicant, are all considerations in determining the length of a rank list (as well as the number of applications to submit). Speaking of the later...

If you thought that the decision on how many programs to rank (and how many interviews to attend) was nebulous and confusing, you haven't seen nothing yet! Get ready for some math. NRMP tracks match data, but it does not track data about applications. But fortunately, AAMC has started to track a limited amount of data regarding application trends. Here are the mean interview rates for signaled and non-signaled applications last year with 8 signals per applicant.

MD - 53% return on signaled apps, 11% return on non-signaled apps
DO - 45% return on signaled apps, 5% return on non-signaled apps
IMG - 6% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps

While we do not have the 20 signal per applicant data, logic would suggest that there will be a reduction in return on signaled and non-signaled applications. You can perform statistical analysis to estimate how 20 signals per applicant would affect interview rate. Here are the results I obtained:

MD- 37% return on signaled apps, 7% return on non-signaled apps
DO- 24% return on signaled apps, 3% return on non-signaled apps
IMG- 1.5% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps

You can then perform modeling to predict the returns for 10th percentile, 25th percentile, 75th percentile, and 90th percentile applicants. It is my opinion that DO applicants are not at a disadvantage to MD applicants if they have a similar resume. The challenge is that there are far more below average DO applicants applying than below average MD applicants (those applicants typically get better guidance and self-select for less difficult specialties or compensate in other ways). So you have to take the statistics above with a grain of salt. I think that equivalent MD and DO applicants should have a similar return on signaled and non-signaled applications, so consider that when looking at my categories below.

USMDs and DOs:
10th percentile (Step 1-2 failure, 400-479 COMLEX 2, remediation, no research, application red flags)- Apply to only signals/auditions, apply to back-up specialty
25th percentile (215-230 USMLE 2, 479-555 COMLEX 2, minimal research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to minimum 47 (not including signals), consider back-up specialty
50th percentile (230-245 USMLE 2, 555-640 COMLEX 2, average research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to minimum 13 (not including signals)
75th percentile (245-260 USMLE 2, 640-745 COMLEX 2, above average research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to only signal/auditions
90th percentile (260+ USMLE 2, 745+ COMLEX 2, exceptional research/work experience)- Apply to only signal/auditions

IMGs: Apply to only signal/auditions, see strategic targeting, apply to back-up.


ARE OSTEOPATHIC STUDENTS COMPETITIVE
PM&R is a very DO friendly field. It has the highest percentage of DOs per specialty (exclude OMM residency, of course). It is interesting that the match rate is so much lower for DO applicants than MD applicants considering that the specialty is very DO-friendly. When I review applications, it is actually quite rare to see a USMD applicant that does not have a competitive application. Does that mean that there aren't below average MD students out there? Of course not. But they generally do not apply to PM&R. I cannot say the same for DO applicants. I frequently see DO applications with sub-500 COMLEX or failures, no research, etc. There is a bit of a discrepancy in the extracurricular opportunities for DOs versus USMDs, and I do not think that DOs have the same research opportunities as MD students that largely are attached to academic centers with attendings that are conducting research. But that is not even the biggest factor. I truly believe that DOs are a disadvantage when it comes to mentorship. DO schools are not consistently giving their students good advice and showing them "tough love" on the competitiveness of the specialties they hope to apply. I'm convinced that up to 30% of DOs that apply to PM&R probably shouldn't be, or at least should be applying with a strong consideration of a backup. Meanwhile, USMD students are getting better advice from their schools and are self-selecting for less competitive specialties.

Should DO students take the USMLE? The age-long debate that will not likely end anytime soon. This is a very difficult topic to study, but I'm going to lay out the factors that I believe to be most important in the decision-making. Recognize that you’ll get differing opinions on this matter.

For step 1, I think that the decision is easier. Unless you are either uncertain about going into PM&R or want to go to a VERY RARE PM&R program that includes USMLE as part of their entrance requirements, then I wouldn't recommend taking USMLE Step 1. You have essentially nothing to gain and everything to lose. I can't tell you the number of students that I've seen do fine on COMLEX but fail USMLE Step 1.

For step 2, the decision becomes a bit more challenging. Is a COMLEX score equal to a USMLE score? It's debatable. The minimum passing score on COMLEX 2 is 400, and the minimum passing score for USMLE 2 is 215. Both are roughly 5th percentile. 50th percentile for COMLEX is roughly 530, whereas 50th percentile for USMLE 2 is roughly 250. So you would think that programs would say that a 530 COMLEX equals 250 USMLE, right? But the answer is often no. And the reason is that there have been studies that have been published that looks at how students do on COMLEX versus USMLE. Here is an example of such a study: A Concordance Study of COMLEX-USA and USMLE Scores. What that study showed that students that got a 530 COMLEX didn't get a 250 USMLE, it was closer to 225. So 50th percentile on COMLEX is essentially 10th percentile on USMLE. Using those stats the authors derived a conversion chart, and that is the conversion chart that is often used by residency programs. ERAS for Programs links a conversion calculator for COMLEX to USMLE, and it is essentially a link to NBOME, and NBOME uses that table that is linked in that study. To summarize, the conversion table weights USMLE significantly higher than COMLEX when comparing percentile. But does the gain in that weight outweigh the risks? Its is my opinion that it does not. Here is my rationale. If you are an average to below average DO student, you are at risk for failing the USMLE. You spend your entire med school career being prepared to take the COMLEX. Your tests are largely formatted to prepare you to take the COMLEX. The USMLE is VERY DIFFERENT structurally. So students that plan to take both invest a considerable amount of time and effort preparing for the structure (and content of USMLE). The COMLEX is often an afterthought; something that gets done a week after taking USMLE, often with a week of prep including cramming OMT. But you DON'T have the same time to prep for the COMLEX as a student that takes both tests. My second concern is burnout and testing fatigue. It is absolutely exhausting taking one step exam. Taking two has to have a negative impact on the test taker. I have real concerns that taking both tests can HURT your COMLEX score simply from burnout and testing fatigue. My last concern is that DOs typically do very well on the COMLEX relative to USMLE because they typically ace the OMT section. So by testing the USMLE, you are missing 10% of your test that is easy to ace for a student interested in MSK, which will reduce your USMLE score relative to COMLEX. If you are a STELLAR DO student, sure, you'll be fine on USMLE. But the truth is that you'll very likely be fine without it. If you are an average to below average student, taking both tests has a real chance to hurt you, and it can be the difference in being able to match to PM&R. I have previously done research on match rates for DO students that took USMLE versus those that did not. The match rates were only negligibly lower for those without the USMLE. You can see my methods and calculations here: COMLEX vs. USMLE and COMLEX - PM&R. Note that I can't speak specifically about every programs opinion on this topic. So if you have a very specific program targeted, it would be wise to look into the application requirements for that program. But on the whole, most programs do not discriminate against DOs, and it doesn't seem to matter if the applicant has a USMLE score or not.

Residency explorer has stats on % DO interviewed by program, but it’s difficult to interpret those stats because the programs with higher interview percentages for DO often are higher for everyone (MDs included). On the whole, it’s hard to say if any particular program is more or less DO friendly than others. Class composite also likely varies. Our first class was 100% DO, and our second 100% MD. I likely wouldn’t put too much weight into the % DO interviewed stats.

ARE IMG STUDENTS COMPETITIVE
The field is becoming more competitive for IMGs as the competitiveness increases on the whole. But it is becoming a challenge specifically for IMGs. The percentage of IMG matching to PM&R has been on a steady decline over the past 20 years. IMGs typically self-select for less competitive specialties and we are seeing a trend of fewer IMGs applying to PM&R over the past few years. So take that into consideration when looking at the match rate. The IMGs that are applying are either very strong IMGs (relative to their IMG peers), or they do not have great insight on the competitiveness of the specialty. When reviewing applications I tend to see that dichotomy. I do think that strong IMG applicants should attempt to match into PM&R but it's no guarantee, and I'd have a backup. Average IMGs are facing an uphill battle matching to PM&R. If "all in" on PM&R, I'd recommend getting auditions and signal your auditions, and perhaps only apply to your audition programs/signals (and programs with a higher return on IMG applications), and use all of your other financial resources to apply/interview at a less competitive specialty. If you look at the statistics on IMGs that apply to PM&R as their ONLY option on their rank-order list (ROL), the match rate is about 32% (for both US and non-US IMG). Poor strategy.

The programs with a high range (>19%) of return on interviews for US-IMG applicants last year were:
Larkin Palm Springs, Montefiore/Einstein

The programs with a high range (>19%) of return on interviews for non-US-IMG applicants last year were:
Larkin Palm Springs, Metropolitan, Hopkins, Montefiore/Einstein

The programs with a respectable range (8-19%) of return on interviews for US-IMG applicants last year were [remembering that 11% is the average return on a random application]:
Schwab, Eastern Virginia, Nassau, Metropolitan, Larkin, SUNY Upstate, Tower, Emory

The programs with a respectable range (8-19%) of return on interviews for non-US-IMG applicants last year were [remembering that 11% is the average return on a random application]:
Baylor COM, Rochester Regional, Tower, Providence, Tufts, Larkin, Yale, Indiana, Kansas, Icahn Mt Sinai, Londa Linda, UF, Spaulding

Tons of programs with a low range (<8%) of return on interviews for US-IMG applicants last year.

ARE MILITARY APPLICANTS COMPETITIVE
Military applicants have a rare opportunity to close the gap with an excellent personal statement. The truth is that most med students’ personal statements look very similar. If you can tie together your fleet experience and training with your desire to do PM&R, the personal statement will help you stand apart. With the emphasis on holistic application review, this further helps military applicants. I would also say that military applicants have a good chance to stand apart in the interview process. Even if you were a mediocre med student, I would still strongly suggest that you apply to even the top PM&R programs because a PD may read your personal statement and want to meet you. That is an open door. There are not any statistics specific to military applicants in the civilian match, unfortunately.

WHAT ARE THE FACTORS PROGRAMS FIND IMPORTANT FOR ISSUING INVITES
The majority of programs are using holistic review to screen applications (roughly 60%). Increasing residency diversity is a significant factor in the significant majority of programs (95%) adopting holistic review, so that is certainly a factor. You have to look back at the most recent Program Directors survey to see the factors that they found most important in granting interviews. The most notable academic factors at that time were: 1) MSPE (aka Dean's letter), 2) Failed attempt at USMLE/COMLEX, 3) USMLE score, 4) COMLEX score. The most impactful personal characteristics included: 1) Prior match violation, 2) Specialty LOR, 3) Commitment to specialty, 4) Diversity characteristics, 5) Professionalism/ethics. All other factors were far less impactful. I would recommend reading this article for more information: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-PD-Survey-Report-for-WWW.pdf. Signals are a factor in determining invites, as mentioned above. Unless explicitly told by a PD/APD to not signal a home program or program that you audition, I recommend that you signal the program. 66% of PDs recommend signaling home and audition sites, 31% recommend not signaling home site because they are automatically interviewed, 17% recommend not signaling audition sites because the audition was the signal of interest. In other words, the stats say to signal all of the programs that you're most interested, including home/auditions/signals. https://www.aamc.org/media/75861/download?attachment.

I HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN INTERVIEW…WHICH DATE SHOULD I CHOOSE
Most programs are going to conduct invitations from October through January (with early November being the peak). Most invites will occur in September-October and trickle in afterward. Many programs will also not conduct interviews for the weeks of Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, and AAPMR Annual Meeting. With virtual interviews, strategy on when to schedule interviews has become less important. The key is just staying organized. Have a list of dates on your calendar that you cannot attend going into the process, and then keep track of all of the invitations that you receive so that you don't schedule two on the same day. The yearly Google Sheet is a solid resource in determining when each program usually conducts interviews.

DO LETTERS OF INTEREST MATTER?
I honestly don’t think that status update requests are incredibly helpful. PC’s get tons of these. What is helpful is expressing your interest to program coordinators while requesting an invitation if one becomes available. When should you consider emailing PCs? Considering that peak season is November, I would take advantage of that time period. Only email PCs at programs you are genuinely interested in, and only do so if you know that the program has sent out a batch of rejections and you weren't on the list. Will programs hold it against you that you were a “waitlist guy/gal”? See below.

WHAT ARE THE FACTORS PROGRAMS FIND IMPORTANT FOR RANKING APPLICANTS
The process that program directors rank candidates is very different than the process in which they issue interviews. Think about this for a second. If you rank every PM&R program before and after you interview, you will notice a big difference between your pre-and-post interview rankings. Which ranking list would you trust more? Of course you would trust your post-interview ranking more, because some programs will exceed your expectations and some will let you down. The same applies to applicants. There are some people who look good on paper…high board scores, lots of research, cured cancer, etc. But that does not tend to translate to where an applicant gets ranked. If you don’t believe me, look at this study: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-PD-Survey-Report-for-WWW.pdf. The most important factors in determine where an applicant gets ranked includes: 1) Interpersonal skills, 2) Interactions with faculty, 3) Interactions with housestaff during interview/visit, and 4) Feedback from current residents. The PD's were NOT asked about the significance of signals or home/away rotations, but one would suspect that an applicant that does a home/away rotation has a better opportunity of demonstrating interpersonal skills and better interactions with staff/residents.

Will you be considered as a “waitlist guy/gal”…the answer is absolutely. First of all, you may not have lower scores than the ones who received invites. The primary reason is that once you get your invite you are essentially put on a level playing field. So if you are offered an interview by your dream program late in the season and have to cancel a program lower on your list…do it without hesitation. The numbers get you the invitation; the personality gets you the ranking.

HOW SHOULD I RANK MY PROGRAMS
I don’t think that any one person will be able to help you with this topic. It was my most difficult topic to tackle…by a good margin. After speaking with a variety of residents, staff, and PDs…I have come up with these two questions that are helpful in determining where to rank programs.

Ask yourself the following about each program in which you interview:
1) Will I be able to gain the level of training needed to set myself up for success in fellowship/employment?
2) Is the program a place where I feel I can thrive?

They are broad questions…but they are incredibly important. Will you gain the tools and will you be able to stand out? If you live in a location where you don’t feel comfortable…then you will not be able to thrive in that environment. If you have a family, you want to consider cost of living, safety, schools, and livability. If you are worried about your family member’s living conditions, you will struggle to thrive. If you didn’t feel like you have a good rapport with staff and residents…then that will make it difficult to stand apart. Being able to thrive is essential because it will determine if you are able to gain incredibly important recommendations by staff members. And that in large part will determine if you will get a fellowship or employment. Part of thriving is feeling supported by staff members. Are these folks going to go to bat for you and place calls to people to get you a job one day? Prestige is a factor, but it is something that it difficult to quantify. It's a consideration, but you definitely need to verify that a program lives up to the hype.

DO LETTERS OF INTENT MATTER?
The answer to this question may vary by program. Is it a new program and the program is placing a high emphasis on recruiting chief residents that are ambassadors for their program? I'd argue that program has reason to value letters of intent. But if it is a well established program, should it matter if someone has you #1 or #2 on their rank list? Likely not. But it doesn't hurt to notify your top program that they are #1 on your rank list. Just be aware of ACGME match rules. You cannot ask the program where they intent to rank you. That's a match violation. Many programs do not conduct post-interview communication with applicants out of concerns of match violations. So if you get a "ranked to match" letter from a program, that is great, but don't panic if you do not receive one.

I wish you the best of luck.

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Kudos for writing this @j4pac. I agree personal statement and LORs are weighted much more heavily in PM&R. It's no secret this specialty lends itself to a nice lifestyle and can be quite lucrative depending on how you play your cards. That said, PDs want to know that you are genuinely passionate about this specialty
 
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Can we make this a sticky thread? Having just gone through this process I find his advice to be spot on.
 
Hi,
I am wanting to do PM&R. I just got my Step 1 back, 204. I haven't gotten my Comlex back yet, I'm a DO student. I got my doctorate in physical therapy before med school and worked with physiatrists, which is why I want to do physiatry. Will my 204 prevent me from getting a PM&R residemcy?
 
Is it okay to email schools you are interested in if I'm a 3rd year and wanna do audition rotations there?
 
Is it okay to email schools you are interested in if I'm a 3rd year and wanna do audition rotations there?

Before emailing, ensure that the program's website does not specify a way to request rotations. Not following a defined protocol listed on the programs website may come off lazy and could easily piss of the program coordinator.

If there is no such rotation request guidelines or if there are instructions to email the PC...you need to do it the right way. PCs are usually helpful, but they are busy. You want to be polite, un-entitled, and succinct. You want to get what you want accomplished in one email. In the email include an introduction, your request, specific dates you will be available for the rotation, and attached CV.

That would allow the PC to email you back with one email (hopefully a confirmation for the rotation)...which greatly increases your chance of accomplishing your goal in a timely manner.

If the PC does not email you back after a week...call, prepared to give the same information.
 
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Hi, it was a great post. How is the job market of PM&r after graduation?Is it possible for an IMG to be accepted in a university hospital? Thanks
 
Hi, it was a great post. How is the job market of PM&r after graduation?Is it possible for an IMG to be accepted in a university hospital? Thanks

I know very little bit about fellowship and employment at this time. I haven't even started PGY-2 yet. 🙂 I'll try to make an addendum at some point in the future after I get that figured out.

From what I have heard, academic appointment isn't always easy. There are tons of jobs in PM&R, but the more choosy you get, the less likely you get what you want.

Looking at the trends, I don't think that there is any question that ACGME programs are becoming more restrictive toward IMG/FMGs. PM&R is likely one of the least discriminating specialties, as they have taken taken DOs in high numbers for years...but I would still apply broadly. If you do well in residency, especially at a major rehab hospital with a decent network...I think that you could land a job at a major university hospital.
 
Just a tip to all applicants that have been "rejected". Writing letters to the Program Director/Program Coordinator does not improve your chances, and are frankly annoying. You're application was thoroughly reviewed and you weren't chosen. It's nothing personal.
 
Just a tip to all applicants that have been "rejected". Writing letters to the Program Director/Program Coordinator does not improve your chances, and are frankly annoying. You're application was thoroughly reviewed and you weren't chosen. It's nothing personal.


Improving chances for what? They have already been “rejected.”

I see nothing wrong with someone asking for constructive criticism on how they can improve their credentials/application.

It is partially personal. Maybe they were too boisterous or too reserved. Applicants aren’t picked solely on board scores.
 
I wouldnt ask a program why you were rejected unless it was after not matching. To do so with an opportunity to match to a different program is a massive waste of time to both the PC and the applicant.

Not to mention that it's not a PCs place to explain why you were rejected. It's a low yield request...and I don't blame PCs for not playing that game with you.
 
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I would not contact a program after a rejection. It is a red flag for someone who would create problems if on your service. It could also come back to bite you down the road.
 
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If you are rejected from a program, what is the point to email them? They already made up their minds. You're not going to get an interview.
 
I see nothing wrong with someone asking for constructive criticism on how they can improve their credentials/application
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Unless the applicant already has a personal relationship with the faculty, I would NOT bother them with any questions, even when framed constructively. This is a VERY small field, and you don't want to be "that guy" (or gal).
 
I wholeheartedly disagree with this thread. Information is king. Learning why you were rejected will enable you to improve your application for the following year. As for the dire predictions that you will somehow be harmed asking? The coordinator was "annoyed". So what. That program already rejected you. If you can gain insight how to improve your chances for the following year, bothering the delicate sensibilities of a glorified secretary doesn't seem like a bad trade off.
 
Applicants try and put your best foot forward. Clearly, if you weren't selected, either your scores were in high enough, where there something else in your record that led to that outcome. I still see no harm in asking what you could improve for next year's match.

Program directors are only the most important person in your life during residency. Thereafter, they hold very little sway. Most of us go into private practice. At that point, it's the quality of your work that establishes your reputation. What some academic, who couldn't survive in the real world, and so instead chose to hide inside an ivory tower, has to say about you has very little bearing on your career.
 
i see no harm in asking why your app was rejected, however you must understand we will wordsmith a pleasant PC statement. it may be of little use to you
 
Which is why it is worth a CALL, not a letter. People are typically more honest when not given the opportunity to edit their response multiple times
 
even on the phone I would calculate my response because recorded conversations have been known to occur with resulting lawsuits and ACGME inquiries.
 
Thank you j4pac for this thread. Do you have any updates on this thread for applicants during the summer of 2018?

I occasionally have people private message me with how their match season went. People have told me that this post is pretty useful. I've had a number of fringe-type applicants PM me who ended up matching into PM&R. A good strategy could take you a long ways...fit is incredibly important.

There is a new charting outcomes. https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-US-Allopathic-Seniors-2016.pdf

The highlights:
- PM&R has the third lowest mean USMLE Step 1 and 2 for matched applicants.
- Mean USMLE step 1 for matched applicants = 226; unmatched = 210
- Mean USMLE step 2 for matched applicants = 238; unmatched = 221
- 10 of 19 applicants with a USMLE Step 1 between 191-200 matched into a PM&R residency
- 1 of 3 applicants with a USMLE Step 2 between 191-200 matched into a PM&R residency
- Mean USMLE Step 1 score to have a 90% chance of matching = 220; 80% change of matching = 204

- Mean number of contiguous ranks by matched applicants = 14; unmatched applicants = 5
- Mean number of contiguous ranks to have a 90% of matching = 10.5

- PM&R had the highest mean number of research experiences for matched applicants of all specialties (8.4) but was average when it came to mean abstracts, presentations, and publications (3.9). What makes a research experience different from abstracts/presentations/publications? Who knows.
- PM&R had the second highest mean number of work experiences for matched applicants of all specialties (3.6)

The numbers above aren't very different than when I matched back in 2015. Something that I probably undersold was the importance of standing apart from the crowd. There are a handful of exceptional applicants that every program would love...but when you take those people off the board, people look pretty similar. Even with interviews, it's still probably difficult for programs to make a rank list...because applicants don't look incredibly different. So if there is something about you that does help you stand apart...you need to sell that. Just about everyone liked their PM&R rotation in med school...it's assumed that you have the necessary exposure and you like the field. But that alone doesn't help PDs sift through the large number of applicants. If you have a work experience or volunteer experience that plays into your interest in PM&R...that's what helps to make you different from the average applicant. Not everyone has that type of experience...and that is when audition rotations can definitely help set you apart.
 
Hmmm, is disclosing disabilities/setbacks/etc. actually beneficial for match for PM&R? Could consider disclosing mine in-depth but I hesitate because I could see it hurting the application as well.
 
Hmmm, is disclosing disabilities/setbacks/etc. actually beneficial for match for PM&R? Could consider disclosing mine in-depth but I hesitate because I could see it hurting the application as well.
It’s frustrating because we are a specialty designed to treat individuals with impairments. So it would make sense that we would be more receptive and see the value in having physicians that are relatable to our patients. But the reality is that there is still a stigma in medical training toward individuals with impairments. I went to the ACGME annual meeting this year, and they had a number of lectures on improving medical education and that including finding ways to include individuals with impairments into medical education. So perhaps things are changing.

I think that if you have a physical impairment it can definitely work to your benefit if you frame it appropriately. There are lots of great applicants out there. But an applicant with an amputation, SCI, brain injury? There may be only 1-2 of those in the entire country…and if they are also competitive…they are gold. There are elite programs that will take an average applicant with an impairment over a strong applicant with one.

I’ll let you know how my program selects applicants for interviews, as that is information that may be helpful for you. First, we determine the number of interview spots we’ll have. Last year we wanted a 20:1 for interviews per available residency seat because we were a new program. That equated to 40 interviews. Then we first discussed our auditioning/home institution students and determined which of those students get interviews. Next we asked if any of the reviewers had applicants that met diversity measures including underrepresented minorities, individuals with impairments, military applicants, etc. It wasn’t until then that we looked at everyone else. By then we had perhaps 25 spots left to decide who gets interviews from the general pool. Those spots were incredibly competitive. Considering where we matched on our rank list last year, and the number of letters of intent we gained within our top 10 on LOR, we’ve decided to cut back the number of auditioning spots (those spots are more competitive to get this year), and we’ll likely reduce the ratio of interviews per residency seat.

Granted, we are a sample size of 1. So I cannot say that every program will share a similar process. And it is also worth mentioning that there may be more concerns with individuals with cognitive impairments (or substance abuse) than physical impairments. I’d be more careful under that scenario. There is a reason why I have this advice thread on an anonymous forum and not on social media. This should be a relatively safe place to disclose your impairment, but I’d be careful to look through your post history to ensure you aren’t doxxing yourself. And if you are still concerned you can PM me.
 
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I get quite a few questions regarding program quality or competitiveness. It’s a really tough topic because every program has strengths and weaknesses. Essentially every program fills yearly, so all are relatively competitive. If you’re interested in looking at a consensus list of program reputation, I recommend looking at the following source:
1. Doximity (https://www.doximity.com/residency/...66fb88d13300-physical-medicine-rehabilitation)

If you’re looking for a list of IRF affiliate rankings, here are two good sources:
1. US News and Health Report (https://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/rankings/rehabilitation)
2. Newsweek (America's Best Physical Rehabilitation Centers 2023)

Program competitiveness is very challenging to study. It’s slightly different than reputation because it includes factors such as location. There’s not a good consensus list available. I’ve created my own list, and you’re free to use. I essentially pulled the program rankings/signals averaged over the past three years on the Google sheet and used class size as a tie breaker between tiers. Highly unscientific. The sample size is still small, and I’m highly reliant on accurate reporting. So I’d use this list with a big grain of salt, but if you believe in the value of the Google sheet, you’ll probably like this list. Reminder that this isn’t a list of program quality, only program competitiveness. There aren't any notable differences with the same tier. The parentheses next to the program is the difference between Doximity's ranking (prestige) and the ranking on this list. The more negative a number would imply that a program is more prestigious than they are being credited.

Tier 1.
1. Spaulding (+2)
2. SRAL (-1)

Commentary: Two very reputable programs that are very competitive. Chicago and Boston are competitive regions of the country to both train and work. Both will be on a shortlist of practically every attending physicians' top program. Harvard also has the Harvard name, which carries weight both in and outside of PM&R.

Tier 2.
3. UPMC (+1)
4. NYP (+6)
5. Kessler (even)
6. UW (-4)
7. UCLA (+21)
8. Stanford (+5)
9. Mayo (Rochester) (-3)
10. Mount Sinai (-2)

Commentary: Not a lot of bargains to get in this tier. The significant majority of the programs in this tier are extremely reputable, many on par with the top 2. UCLA gets a nice bump in competitiveness for being in Los Angeles.

Tier 3.
11. Colorado (+1)
12. Utah (+11)
13. NRH (-2)
14. UTSA (+8)
15. Baylor (Houston) (-8)

Commentary: The only program to really mention here is Baylor COM. Extremely strong program, arguably one of the very strongest at inpatient PM&R. Extremely large alumni network. Historically, Baylor has been well ahead of UTSA, but the Sheet suggests that many students think they're on par. It's difficult to go against a program with as strong of a long-term track record as Baylor.

Tier 4.
16. Mayo (FL)/Brooks (unranked on Doximity)
17. Carolinas (+22)
18. Michigan (-2)
19. UTSW (-4)
20. Miami (+23)
21. Thomas Jefferson (+4)
22. UT Houston (-13)
23. University of California (Irvine) (+30)
24. Vandy (-5)
25. University of California (Davis) (+20)
26. New Mexico (+36)
27. OSU (-3)
28. UAB (-7)
29. Baylor (Dallas) (-5)

Commentary: It’s not surprising that the sister program of Baylor COM, listed in tier 3, is also much more highly regarded by attendings than students. The California programs, with a relative scarcity of options (including good options) are more competitive than their Doxy rankings suggests.

Tier 5.
30. Einstein (+1)
31. UNC (+21)
32. VCU (+4)
33. NYU (-16)
34. Rush (-32)
35. Mary Free Bed (-2)
36. LSU (+29)
37. Washington Univ (+14)
38. Yale (+70)
39. Memorial (+29)
40. Connecticut (+48)
41. Schwab (-23)

Commentary: Those interested in NY and Chicago programs take note. Rush and Schwab in Chicago, and NYU in New York are all strong programs that are relatively less competitive (especially considering their crosstown rivals of SRAL, NYP, and Mount Sinai).

Tier 6.
42. Emory (-22)
43. Marianjoy (-2)
44. Minnesota (+4)
45. John Hopkins (+5)
46. USF (+54)
47. Cincinnati (-5)
48. Virginia (-2)
49. Burke (-5)
50. Kentucky (+35)
51. MSU (unranked on Doximity)
52. Louisville (+28)
53. OPTI West (+39)
54. Indiana (+9)
55. JFK (-20)

Commentary: The two programs to take note of here are Emory and JFK. Emory has a strong Sports fellowship and one of the stronger spinal cord injury centers in the region. Clearly, JFK has great PD. Very strong at Brain injury, but more well rounded than given credit for. Should definitely be in the conversation of one of the better programs in NY/NJ, but is in the middle of the pack regarding competitiveness.

Tier 7.
56. University of Missouri-Columbia (+11)
57. William Beaumont Hospital (Royal Oak) (-10)
58. Case Western (-44)
59. University of Florida (+17)
60. Kansas (-31)
61. HonorHealth (even)
62. MCW (-30)
63. UT Austin Dell (+19)
64. University of Wisconsin (-14)
65. Loma Linda (+7)
66. Detroit Medical Center/Wayne State (-10)
67. Sunrise (+7)
68. ECU/Vidant (+11)
69. University of Rochester (+8)

Commentary: Goodness there are still a ton of really strong programs. Case Western has historically been an underrated program, and that likely only increased with Cleveland Clinic getting a program. You’re going to see a trend on Midwest programs being underrated. The region is saturated with programs, and there are lots of good ones. That is going to hurt the overall competitiveness of the region. Likewise, Kansas and the two Wisconsin programs make the list.

Tier 8.
70. Toledo (-1)
71. NSLIJHS/Hofstra North Shore-LIJ (-13)
72. Parkview (+31)
73. Cleveland Clinic (-46)
74. Albany (-19)
75. Osteopathic Consortium (+3)
76. Inspira (+25)
77. Penn State (-40)
78. Arkansas (+3)
79. SUNY at Stony Brook (-4)
80. Puerto Rico (-23)
81. VA Caribbean (+2)
82. William Beaumont (Taylor) (+15)
83. Geisinger (+16)
84. Penn (-46)
85. Texas Tech (+21)
86. Rochester Regional (+16)
87. Mercy/Good Sam (+7)
88. Sinai Baltimore (-34)
89. Eastern Virginia (+7)
90. UCF (+5)
91. Nassau (-31)
92. Nebraska (-22)
93. Einstein/Moss (-62)
94. SUNY Brooklyn (-28)
95. SUNY Upstate (-9)

Commentary: We’re reaching the tail end of the list, but there are still strong programs to be found. Lots of NY programs in this tier, all good options for applicants trying to train the the NY area. If you have an extra signal or two…I’d consider peppering some of underrated programs from the tier and the tier above.

Tier 9.
96. NY Metropolitan (-9)
97. Kingsbrook (-6)
98. Westchester (+9)
99. Texas (Fort Worth) (+6)
100. Providence/St. Luke’s (-11)
101. Tufts (-28)
102. Temple (-76)
103. Larkin (-19)

Commentary: It’s hard to say that these programs are not competitive considering that they all perpetually fill. SOAP isn’t a strategy for PM&R. But if you’re an applicant that would be happy to just be a part of the specialty I’d look at programs from the last two tiers.
I am so sorry to say this. I am aware that I have made myself impression as a very sarcastic dark negative pessimistic participant of sdn pm&r thread. Unless, some physiatrists do miraculous stem cell implant to corticospinal tract to enable the T12 ASIA A pt to walk, our rankings will not matter. I respect this OP to admit lack of scientific background to justify tiers.
What I want to know is what applicants are looking for nowadays.
I hate to bring this up but there was research showing that applicants were looking at academic dildo ultrasound training qualities as the determining factor to decide rankings which I find to be very inane.
Also I would like to know if Gen Z applicants are considering “chill life” as the determining factors to rank programs. I highly valued the volume as the major factor to rank programs. I had a county hospital as training site. It was very good because patients did not care which doctors were doing procedures. For example, there were patients from jail who needed emg studies and they begged to stay longer and residents got to do nerve conduction studies that are not usually done like saphenous nerve. Where I work is so well off area and residents are begging to create injection clinic . Good luck with that
 
I've received lots of questions about a strategy for signals. Since applications are due soon, I figured that I'd get this out asap. It is a topic that is difficult to broadly provide advice, because each program may treat signals differently.

Overview:
- You get 8 signals for PM&R, which is up from 5 last year.
- They are a tangible sign of interest in a program, and for that reason it does carry value. As you can see in the original post of this thread, there is a significantly higher return on applications that are signals versus not signals.
- You have to submit your signals at the beginning of the application season, and they cannot be changed.
- There is no downside of using all of your signals.
- Programs can only see if you signal them and cannot otherwise see where you signal (same applies to geographical preference).

FAQ:
- Should I signal a home program or audition site? For a number of reasons, the answer is yes. First, you don't match by getting a ton of interviews. You match by being ranked highly by at least one program. You need as many factors that strengthening your argument that you should be ranked to match as possible. Next, if you audition and do well, but then interview and come off a bit flat, not having a signal may feed the narrative that you have lost interest in the program since the audition. Unless you are explicitly told to NOT signal an audition/home site by a PD or APD from that program, then I recommend that you signal them. 66% of PD recommend signaling home and audition sites, 31% recommend not signaling home site because they are automatically interviewed, 17% recommend not signaling audition sites because the audition was the signal of interest. In other words, the stats say to signal all of the programs that you're most interested. https://www.aamc.org/media/75861/download?attachment.

- Should I signal a program where I applied but didn't get an audition? I'd look at the competitiveness of the program and I'd also look at whether or not your application package improved since the time you submitted your audition package. If you applied to a program within the top 3 tiers, and didn't get an audition, then I probably don't need to tell you that you may be on the outside looking in. You may be able to get an interview, but again, the point isn't to collect interviews, it's to match. Unless you are absolutely in love with a program and/or the strength of your application package improved since your audition package, I'd consider signaling a different program.

- How should I ration my signals? Very difficult topic to broadly offer recommendations, but I would like you to consider a few things. First, what are the programs that you are very excited about? The truth is that there is quite a bit of randomness to this process. The top applicants don't always match to the top program. Fit is important. So, though it is important to be realistic about the strength of your application, I wouldn't sell yourself too short. If you feel you are even an average applicant, I would signal the top program you're really excited out. There is really no guarantee that one program will be more or less competitive than another, so you don't want to signal a program you like less out of concern that you may be more competitive.

- Should I apply to programs that I don't signal? I would think of it this way, if you are a program director for a program that gets over 100 signals for 8 spots, why would you invite an applicant that didn't signal you? A competitive program is going to safely fill with strong applicants. Would a program waste a valuable interview slot on an applicant that they know doesn't have them in their top 8 to start the process? Perhaps in the day of live interviews when you would visit these sites, and perhaps in the day of 5 signals…but I’m doubtful that time is now. I do not think that many applicants are moving off of their auditions/signals, so I think that many programs are going to be concerned about inviting an applicant that will interview at their program but not rank them high enough to match to their program. Just as it's important for an applicant to be ranked to match, that is even more true for a program. So, would I apply to one of the programs in the top 2 tiers above without a signal? I wouldn't. Certainly crazy things can happen, but it would be low yield.
 
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I made an update to the OP reflecting the change in signals from 5 to 8. It does change the math a little bit regarding how many programs to apply. The good news is that I estimate about a 18% reduction of applications for applicants around the 50th percentile. That translates to money saved for medical students. It will also hopefully translate to a little less interview hoarding, and less of an application review burden by programs.

There is a still a significant priority on appropriately judging which programs to signal (perhaps even more than there was when there were 5 signals). Just something to consider, the top 10 or so programs had 22% of the signals last year. One program in particular had over 150 signals for likely half the number of interview seats. So it is quite possible that it will get about 175 signals next year. What is the likelihood of getting an interview at that program WITHOUT a signal? I'm guessing that the number has to be incredibly close to 0%. What is the likelihood of getting an interview at that program as a below average applicant? Again, that number has to be very close to 0% as well. That program can probably have their pick of anyone in the country, and its very unlikely to be anything but an above average applicant. Instead of wasting your signals on reach programs, I'd strongly recommend that you consider programs outside of the top 1-2 tiers if you're a below average applicant. If you somehow land an audition at the program or it's your home institution, sure, send them a signal. But if you don't, you'd be much better served using your signals more wisely. Remember that getting interviews is only the start. I've known people who have had over 15 interviews fail to match. Many were applicants that applied broadly, had a sub-20% return on their applications, and were apparently not ranked to match by any of the programs they interviewed. The key to matching is by being ranked to match by a program. Most strong programs are going to match in the top 50% of their rank list.
Do you think being ranked to match is heavily influenced by how those applicants are interviewed? or other factors that's within the applicant control?
 
There is very limited data available on the number of interviews that programs send out. The data available on the yearly PM&R Google Sheet don’t look very accurate. The data on interviews offered by programs isn’t readily available on Residency Explorer but there are enough variables that it can be calculated.

I've also calculated the interviews/residency spot for those who would find it helpful. The data is from 2023-2024, as there is a year lag on the data that gets inputted into Residency Explorer. There are certain programs that didn't include the data. There were two notable errors in data input, MCW and Washington University, so I listed those as unavailable. The programs that started after 2023-2024 (and there is a growing list) are not on the list below.


Residency program nameTotal # of interviewsInterviews per residency slot
Albany Medical Center Program3215.9
Baylor College of Medicine Program (Houston)10511.7
Baylor University Medical Center Program (Dallas)4816.0
Burke Rehabilitation Hospital Program989.8
Carolinas Medical Center Program7214.4
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program5427.0
Corewell Health (Taylor) Program10320.6
Corewell Health William Beaumont University Hospital (Royal Oak) Program4611.5
Detroit Medical Center/Wayne State University Program5413.5
ECU Health Medical Center/East Carolina University Program7615.1
Emory University School of Medicine Program7212.0
Geisinger Health System Program5317.6
Good Samaritan University Hospital/Mercy Hospital Program7224.0
HCA Florida Healthcare/USF Morsani College of Medicine GME - Tampa South Program266.5
HCA Healthcare Sunrise Health GME/MountainView ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
HonorHealth Program4110.2
Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Program1058.8
Indiana University School of Medicine Program10626.5
Inspira Health Network Program7117.8
Jefferson Health Medical Education/Jefferson Einstein Philadelphia Hospital MossRehab11312.6
JFK Medical Center ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
Johns Hopkins University Program9311.6
Larkin Community Hospital Palm Springs Campus Program324.0
Larkin Community Hospital Program17121.4
Loma Linda University Health Education Consortium Program5511.0
Louisiana State University School of Medicine Program528.7
Mary Free Bed Hospital Program7719.2
Mass General Brigham/Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program688.5
Mayo Clinic College of Medicine and Science (Rochester) Program8210.3
Mayo Clinic College of Medicine and Science/Brooks Rehabilitation Hospital (Jacksonville) Program4824.1
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program13110.9
Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
MedStar Health Georgetown University Program6510.8
Memorial Healthcare System (Hollywood, Florida) Program7819.5
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program10511.7
Nassau University Medical Center Program10125.3
National Capital Consortium ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
New York Medical College (Metropolitan) Program9531.7
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia and Cornell Campus) Program12415.5
Northwestern Medicine Marianjoy Rehabilitation Hospital Program10016.6
NYU Grossman School of Medicine Program12710.6
Ohio State University Hospital Program8714.5
Old Dominion University Program6020.0
One Brooklyn Health System/Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Center ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
OPTI West Program4715.7
Parkview Health Program5914.8
Penn State Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program6513.0
Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center Program6410.6
Rochester Regional Health/Unity Hospital Program68Unavailable
Rush University Medical Center ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
Rutgers Health/New Jersey Medical School Program749.2
Schwab Rehabilitation Hospital and Care Network/University of Chicago Program11823.6
Sidney Kimmel Medical College at Thomas Jefferson University/TJUH Program9012.8
Sinai Hospital of Baltimore Program6315.7
Stanford Health Care-Sponsored Stanford University Program659.3
Stony Brook Medicine/University Hospital Program4816.0
SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University Program213.5
SUNY Upstate Medical University Program13522.5
Temple University Hospital Program10212.7
Texas Rehabilitation Hospital of Fort Worth Program12621.0
Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center at Lubbock Program3316.4
The MetroHealth System/Case Western Reserve University Program9215.3
Tower Health Program6716.8
Tufts Medical Center Program9832.6
UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine/UCLA Medical Center/VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System Program769.5
University Hospitals Community Consortium Program4816.0
University of Alabama Medical Center Program6115.3
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) College of Medicine Program5213.0
University of California (Irvine) Program6813.6
University of California Davis Health Program5513.7
University of Central Florida/HCA Florida Healthcare (Pensacola) ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
University of Cincinnati Medical Center/College of Medicine Program4515.0
University of Colorado Program6110.2
University of Connecticut School of Medicine Program10325.8
University of Florida College of Medicine Program6616.5
University of Kansas School of Medicine Program6115.3
University of Kentucky College of Medicine Program7310.4
University of Louisville School of Medicine Program7619.0
University of Miami/Jackson Health System Program9211.5
University of Michigan Health - Sparrow/Michigan State University Program5313.3
University of Michigan Program6510.8
University of Minnesota Program5711.4
University of Missouri-Columbia Program5614.0
University of Nebraska Medical Center College of Medicine Program8020.0
University of New Mexico School of Medicine Program6210.4
University of North Carolina Hospitals ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
University of Pennsylvania Health System Program11018.3
University of Puerto Rico ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
University of Rochester Medical Center Program8016.0
University of South Florida Morsani (James A Haley Veterans Hospital) Program289.3
University of Texas at Austin Dell Medical School Program5829.0
University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston Program10626.5
University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio Joe and Teresa Lozano Long School of Medicine Program10212.7
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Program10211.3
University of Toledo Program3612.0
University of Utah Health Program8011.4
University of Virginia Medical Center Program369.1
University of Washington Program10012.5
University of Wisconsin Hospitals and Clinics Program5313.2
UPMC Medical Education Program11512.8
VA Caribbean Healthcare System ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
Vanderbilt University Medical Center Program5614.1
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program7813.0
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium ProgramUnavailableUnavailable
Westchester Medical Center Program14436.0
Wright Center for Graduate Medical Education Program6012.0
Yale-New Haven Hospital Program10626.5
Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell Program8320.7
 
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Here's an update since that new AAMC stats have been pushed out. https://www.aamc.org/media/81251/download?attachment

This time they included MD, DO, and IMG interview rates, which is a very nice addition. Granted, there are limitations. I personally think that a well-qualified DO is not far behind a well-qualified MD (if behind at all). But it's been my experience of reviewing hundreds of applications over the past few years that there are far fewer less-qualified MDs applying to PM&R than less-qualified DO applicants. As I wrote in the OP, I think that they are getting better mentorship than DOs. There are at least 10-20% of DO applications that really shouldn't be applying to PM&R. I rarely see that with MD applications. I'm pretty sure I saw 100 applications from uncompetitive IMG applicants throwing darts, often without a specialty LOR and clearly mass applying. PM&R is not the specialty for dart throwing applications.

MD - 53% return on signaled apps, 11% return on non-signaled apps
DO - 45% return on signaled apps, 5% return on non-signaled apps
IMG - 6% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps

I think that if you look at the stats above, you could arrive to the conclusion that interviews to non-signaled sites is a low-yield situation, and you'd be accurate.

For an MD applicant, a 53% return on 8 signals will give slightly more than 4 interviews. Then an 11% return on non-signaled sites would require 34 applications to have a total of 8 interviews for the median applicant. That is feasible.

But it is daunting for non-MD applicants. If DO applicants have a 45% return on signaled apps, that would lead to slightly less than 4 interviews. But a 5% return on non-signaled sites is where the challenges arise. If you pull the stats, that means that the median PM&R applicant would require over 85 applications to leave interview season with at least 8 interviews.

Then when you look at IMG applicants, you arrive to the conclusion that it is almost statistically impossible for the median IMG to match to the specialty to PM&R. There is a 6% return on signaled apps, meaning that 8 signals may result in 1 interview invite. There was a 0% return on non-signaled applications, which essentially means you would have to apply to every site to get 1 interview invite from the non-signaled apps.

What does this all mean? Here are my take home points:
1) Increasing signals from 5 to 8 reduced the % return on both signaled and non-signaled apps. But fortunately, the increase in signals from 5 to 8 was a net-positive for number of interview invitations received from signals.
2) As predicted, the increase in signals hurt the strength of non-signaled applications.
3) The median DO and IMG statistics are concerning, and I theorize that too many non-competitive DOs and IMGs are applying. I say this through my own experience of reviewing applications as well as the review of the statistics. It's not to say that DOs and IMGs cannot match to PM&R, which is untrue, but you really should seek objective mentorship to get an idea of whether you're going to match to the specialty.

My previous guidance toward competitive MD and DO applicants hasn't changed from last year. But I think that less competitive DO and IMG applicants should consider changing their strategy. With a 0-5% return on non-signaled apps, I'm not sure that is actually worth the cost of investment. I think that it may make more sense to use your 8 signals, and use other resources toward another, less competitive back-up specialty.

I've updated my recommendations on MINIMUM number of applications in the OP, when taking into account the lower returns on interviews/signals for DO applicants on the recent AAMC stats, and to account for discrepancies between USMLE and COMLEX weight currently used by programs on ERAS. Sending out more applications, as mentioned in the post above, has diminishing returns. If you are a below average DO/IMG applicant I'd consider a back-up, which is much higher yield for the same investment.
 
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Significant update will be coming in the following days.

Topics:
- Impact of 20 signals on application strategy
- Deep dive into program competitiveness by looking at Residency Explorer data
- Plan to add sections on audition rotations and VSLO in OP
- Quick blurb on SLOE
 
Updates 4/19/2025:

Competitiveness is a challenge topic to tackle because there are a number of factors that result in program competitiveness, including prestige, but also location and class size/number of interview spots. I considered a number of metrics but ultimately decided upon program signals. Program signals is not easily obtainable data, but it can be calculated using Residency Explorer data. Note that the data for the 2024-2025 match is not available through Residency Explorer, only the 2023-2024 match cycle. Most programs are relatively stable in regards to competitiveness from year to year, but there are some, including the programs that were new during the 2023-2024 that are likely more competitive now than they were in 2023-2024. Is the Residency Explorer data trustworth? For the most part, I believe that it is. I base that on it being accurate for my program. There did appear to be two notable data input errors that I noticed, for Washington University and MCW, but otherwise the data appears reasonable. The data input errors did not effect the signal calculations below. Not all programs release data (or it’s unavailable because the program was new and didn’t participate). I was forced to estimate the programs tier based on the number of applications they received, and pool data through the PM&R Google Sheet. Here are the programs without demographic, including signal, data through Residency Explorer:

  • Rush (estimated Tier 2)
  • UNC (estimated Tier 2)
  • JFK (estimated Tier 3)
  • HCA Sunrise (estimated Tier 4)
  • HCA FL-Tampa South (estimated Tier 5)
  • HCA FL-UCF (Pensacola) (estimated Tier 5)
  • One Brooklyn/Kingsbrooks (estimated Tier 5)
  • Puerto Rico (estimated Tier 5)
  • VA Caribbean (estimated Tier 5)
  • Broward Health (estimated Tier 5)
  • Charles R. Drew (estimated Tier 5)
  • South Carolina (estimated Tier 5)
  • HCA Mercer (estimated Tier 5)
  • HCA Nashville (estimated Tier 5)
  • West Virginia (estimated Tier 5)
  • Walter Reed (N/A, military)


Tier 1 (signals >95; interview rate 14.9%; signals/interview spot: 1.31).
  • SRAL
  • Mount Sinai
  • UTH
  • Montefiore/Albert Einstein
  • Medstar/Georgetown
  • UCLA
  • Colorado
  • Spaulding
  • UPMC

Tier 2 (95>signals>56; interview rate 15.2%; signals/interview spot: 0.94).
  • UTSW Dallas
  • NYU
  • San Antonio
  • Utah
  • UC Irvine
  • Univ of Washington
  • NYP
  • Baylor Houston
  • Miami/Jackson
  • Rutgers/Kessler
  • Memorial
  • Carolinas
  • UC Davis
  • USF
  • Stanford
  • Thomas Jefferson
  • Corewell (Taylor)
  • Michigan
  • Schwab
  • Kentucky
  • Penn
  • Mayo Clinic Rochester
  • Mayo Clinic Florida
  • Rush (estimated)
  • UNC (estimated)

Tier 3 (56>signals>39; interview rate 15%; signals/interview spot: 0.75).
  • Burke
  • Minnesota
  • Baylor Dallas
  • Johns Hopkins
  • Mary Free Bed
  • Alabama
  • Ohio State
  • NW/Marianjoy
  • Cincinnati
  • Westchester
  • Texas Fort Worth
  • New Mexico
  • SUNY Downstate
  • Loma Linda
  • Geisinger
  • Yale-New Haven
  • LSU
  • Emory
  • Vanderbilt
  • JFK (estimated)

Tier 4 (signals 39>x>26; 19.6%; signals/interview spot: 0.50).
  • Honorhealth
  • NY Metropolitan
  • Jefferson/Einstein/MossRehab
  • Inspira
  • Corewell/William Beaumont/Royal Oak
  • University of Florida
  • Virginia
  • MetroHealth/Case Western
  • Larkin Community Hospital
  • MCW
  • Detroit/Wayne State
  • Zucker
  • VCU
  • ECU
  • Opti West
  • Sinai Baltimore
  • Stony Brook
  • Kansas
  • University of Rochester
  • Nassau
  • Sparrow/MSU
  • HCA Sunrise (estimated)

Tier 5 (signals <26; interview rate: 15.9%; signals/interview spot: 0.30)
  • Tower
  • Good Samaritan/Mercy
  • Parkview
  • Temple
  • Providence Sacred Heart
  • SUNY Upstate
  • Louisville
  • Connecticut
  • UT Austin Dell
  • Wright
  • Wisconsin
  • Nebraska
  • Missouri-Columbia
  • Arkansas
  • Old Dominion
  • Indiana
  • Penn State Milton/Hershey
  • Larkin Palm Springs
  • Texas Tech
  • University Hospitals Community Consortium
  • Washington University
  • Tufts
  • Albany
  • Rochester Region (estimated)
  • Cleveland Clinic (estimated)
  • Toledo (estimated)
  • HCA FL-Tampa South (estimated)
  • HCA FL-UCF (Pensacola) (estimated)
  • One Brooklyn/Kingsbrooks (estimated)
  • Puerto Rico (estimated)
  • VA Caribbean (estimated)
  • Broward Health (estimated)
  • Charles R. Drew (estimated)
  • South Carolina (estimated)
  • HCA Mercer (estimated)
  • HCA Nashville (estimated)
  • West Virginia (estimated)
 
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During the peak of COVID, there was a switch from live to virtual interviews. Before that time, money and time were often the rate limiting steps that prevented applicants from interview hoarding, and just showing up to an interview was a built-in signal of interest. So with that deterrence out of the way some applicants were going on over 30 interviews. With the top applicants hoarding the interviews, it didn’t give other applicants a chance to interview at places they had true interest. Signals were created with the hope that it would prevent application hoarding and it would allow applicants to better demonstrate their interest. It created a limited commodity to take the place of the time and money investment that was required to attend live interviews. It started with 5, then moved to 8. But the problem is that it has done very little to limit the interview hoarding, and if you look at the statistics, the majority of programs are still issuing the majority of their applications to non-signals. So the prevailing thought was “perhaps the number of signals isn’t high enough.” This year they are moving to 20 signals, which is an enormous jump. The upside is that applicants will be able to show interest to more programs and perhaps at some point it can limit the hoarding (likely won’t right away based on stats of other programs that moved to large number of signals). The downside is that it hurts the value of the signal. So programs may not put much weight into them knowing that most applicants match top 3 on their rank list, and knowing your program is in the top 20 doesn’t necessarily move the needle. But it can essentially serve as an application cap, because many programs may see a non-signaled application as a medical student that is going to be difficult to recruit (as most applicants match within their top 3).

Based on the AAMC statistics from last year we know that signaled applications have a much higher interview yield than non-signaled applications. Unfortunately, we will have to wait until two years from now to determine the interview rate on signaled and non-signals applications with 20 signals. The total number of interview slots will stay relatively stable, so with there being a 250% increase in signals, it’s going to have a few effects. 1) More programs will filter based on signals, 2) Dilution of the power of both signaled and non-signaled applications. There have been some programs that have been requesting essays to explain (why this program?). That is a decision that would only be made if they didn’t trust the interest of the applicants. I suspect that you will see more of that after the move to 20 signals. I can also see more programs bringing back live interviews. After all, losing live interviews is what made this complex signal situation relevant in the first place.

Now the reason you’re here: the strategy!

I've decide to combine these two different topics into one section because even though, chronologically, you interview before you rank programs, the ultimate goal is to match. I'm going to discuss the match/ranking statistics first, which will help you better understand the context of applications.

If you look at charting outcomes you will see a graph that is commonly referenced to determine how many programs to rank. That graph shows that an applicant that ranks 12-13 programs contiguously has a 90% chance to match, and after that point there are diminishing returns and the probability never gets to 100%. Understand that there is quite a bit of bias that goes into that graph. First, most applicants are aware of the information derived from the graph (either from seeing the graph or being told by someone that you need "x" number of interviews to match). So the significant majority of applicants are intentionally meeting that threshold. But does an applicant need 12-13 ranked programs to match? The answer is not necessarily. For example, there are many applicants that match at their #1 ranked program. They clearly didn't need 12-13 ranked programs to match, they only need one. There are also individuals with over 15 ranked programs that fail to match. Applicants don't match by having a ton of interviews (though getting a ton of interviews is often a reflection of the strength of the applicant), they match by being ranked highly by at least one program.

In most cases, the individuals that match, do so by matching HIGHLY on their own rank list. There are not available statistics specific for PM&R, but there are stats on this topic that incorporate all specialties, and considering that PM&R is a middle of the pack specialty regarding competitiveness, I think that it is fair to extrapolate these trends to apply to PM&R. Here is how USMD's match based on their rank list: 1st rank 45%, 2nd rank 14%, 3rd rank 10%, 4th rank 7%, >4th rank 20%, unmatched 6%. That means that 74% of the applicants only needed four programs on their rank list to match. The DO stats aren't considerably different: 1st rank 43%, 2nd rank 16%, 3rd rank 10%, 4th rank 7%, >4th rank 17%, unmatched 8%. Again, 75% of applicants only need to rank 4 programs to match. So it is clear that most individuals that match do so by matching highly on their rank list. How many applicants are actually matching at programs ranked below 8 on their rank list? The number has be very low (sub-10%). If an applicant is not matching within their top 8, I'd actually wager that they are pretty unlikely to match at all. But as it stands, there is very little downside to ranking every program that you interview, and the average USMD applicant is ranking over 16 programs (likely slightly inflated because programs with both categorical and advanced programs are counted twice). The average applicant should attempt to rank at least 8 program.

Are all interview invites created equal? This is a topic very difficult to study. More work needs to be done to determine the characteristics of those that match versus those that do not match. I do know that an interview linked to a home/away PM&R rotation has more opportunity than the interviews without a rotation. I believe that this would be especially true during the age of virtual interviews. The key to matching isn't getting 12-13+ interviews, it's getting ranked to match by at least one program. An applicant doing well on a rotation tied with doing well on an interview is going to have an advantage. I say all of this to tell you that if you have multiple home/away rotations and 8 interviews I'd feel more confident in your ability to match than 8 interviews with one home/away rotation. The number of home/away PM&R rotations, as well as the overall strength of the applicant, are all considerations in determining the length of a rank list (as well as the number of applications to submit). Speaking of the later...

If you thought that the decision on how many programs to rank (and how many interviews to attend) was nebulous and confusing, you haven't seen nothing yet! Get ready for some math. NRMP tracks match data, but it does not track data about applications. But fortunately, AAMC has started to track a limited amount of data regarding application trends. Here are the mean interview rates for signaled and non-signaled applications last year with 8 signals per applicant.

MD - 53% return on signaled apps, 11% return on non-signaled apps
DO - 45% return on signaled apps, 5% return on non-signaled apps
IMG - 6% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps

While we do not have the 20 signal per applicant data, as I previously mentioned, logic would suggest that there will be a reduction in return on signaled and non-signaled applications. You can perform statistics to estimate how 20 signals per applicant would affect interview rate:

MD- 37% return on signaled apps, 7% return on non-signaled apps
DO- 24% return on signaled apps, 3% return on non-signaled apps
IMG- 1.5% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps


You can then perform modeling to predict the returns for 10th percentile, 25th percentile, 75th percentile, and 90th percentile applicants. If you have read my commentary on the competitiveness of DO applicants in the OP, you’ll see that it is my opinion that DO applicants are not at a disadvantage to MD applicants if they have a similar resume. The challenge is that there are far more below average DO applicants applying than below average MD applicants (those applicants typically get better guidance and self-select for less difficult specialties or compensate in other ways). So you have to take the statistics above with a grain of sale. I think that equivalent MD and DO applicants should have a similar return on signaled and non-signaled applications, so consider that when looking at my categories below.

USMDs and DOs:
10th percentile (Step 1-2 failure, 400-479 COMLEX 2, remediation, no research, application red flags)- Apply to only signals/auditions, see strategic targeting, apply to back-up specialty
25th percentile (215-230 USMLE 2, 479-555 COMLEX 2, minimal research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to minimum 47 (not including signals), consider back-up specialty
50th percentile (230-245 USMLE 2, 555-640 COMLEX 2, average research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to minimum 13 (not including signals)
75th percentile (245-260 USMLE 2, 640-745 COMLEX 2), above average research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to only signal/auditions
90th percentile (260+ USMLE 2, 745+ COMLEX 2, exceptional research/work experience)- Apply to only signal/auditions


IMGs: Apply to only signal/auditions, see strategic targeting, apply to back-up.
 
Another question I get asked quite frequently is how to distribute your signals. You don't want to live with regret, so if there is a program that you are genuinely interested (especially if you have some sort of ties), I recommend spending the money to send out an application. I think that you should consider your own competitiveness into the equation when determining your strategy. I only say that because at times I'll come across applicants that should have matched but didn't because of their strategy. If you only send applications out to the most competitive programs, then you may struggle even as a good applicant. Here is a salary cap game that you can use to access your application list. This is highly unscientific as there are lots of assumptions along the way that have to be fulfilled for those speculative analysis to come true. But it is a little fun, and something that you can do right before your applications get sent out to ensure that your list has at least some level of diversification. Proceed with caution 🙂.

Salary Cap Game

Program TierDescriptionPoint Cost per Signal
1Most Competitive5 pts
2Highly Competitive4 pts
3Mid-Tier 3 pts
4Less Competitive2 pts
5Least Competitive1 pt


10th Percentile MD/DO – Signal Allocation Plan (20 Signals | 40 pts)


Program Tier# SignalsCost per SignalTotal Points
105 pts0 pts
214 pts4 pts
353 pts15 pts
472 pts14 pts
571 pt7 pts
40 pts


25th Percentile MD/DO– Application Allocation Plan (20 Signals | 47 Non-Signals | 156 pts)


TierSignalsNon-SignalsTotal AppsTotal Points
10115 pts
223520 pts
36101648 pts
47172462 pts
55162121 pts
Total204767156 pts (target: 145–155)


50th Percentile MD/DO– Application Allocation Plan (20 Signals | 13 Non-Signals | 91 pts)


Program TierSignalsNon-SignalsTotal AppsTotal Points
120210 pts
242624 pts
3741133 pts
4551020 pts
52244 pts
Total20133391 pts (Target: 95)


75th Percentile MD/DO, Signal Allocation Plan (20 Signals | 70 Point Cap)

Tier# SignalsTotal Points
1210 pts
2520 pts
3721 pts
448 pts
522 pts
Total2061 pts


90th percentile MD/DO, Signal Allocation Plan (20 Signals | 74 Point Cap)


Tier# SignalsCost per SignalTotal Points
165 pts30 pts
264 pts24 pts
353 pts15 pts
422 pts4 pts
511 pt1 pt
74 pts
 
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Update: 4/19/2025

It's been quite the journey. I started this thread as an applicant about a decade ago with the purpose of understanding the civilian match process coming from military medicine. I found that there was not much transparency and all of the resources to help applicants make informed decisions were incredibly lacking or disorganized. So I compiled every bit of data and information that I could find to help myself be more informed about getting into the specialty, and then I compiled those details within this thread.

Fortunately, I was able to match into a civilian PM&R program, and subsequently learned even more about the match process while in residency and now in leadership within PM&R academics. These are, of course, my own opinions based on the statistics available and my own experience in mentoring over the last decade. But no two applicants are identical, neither are two programs, and there is a bit of randomness to this process. The data that I am sharing is 100% publicly available through NRMP, AAMC, and Residency Explorer (AAMC).


PRE-MEDS (MD vs DO vs IMG)
If you read enough SDN, the general consensus is MD>DO>IMG. But if you know for certain that you want to do PM&R, does it matter? To get this answer you have to look at the NRMP Match Data Sheets. There is a lot of data that can be interpreted in a number of way. The specialty specific stats get split into three categories: 1) only choice, 2) first choice, and 3) not first choice. I'm going to focus my attention on the first category, because that has the best statistics (especially for USMD/DO). USMD had 183 applicants matched and 21 applicants unmatched (89.7% match rate), and DO had 90 applicants matched and 28 applicants unmatched (76.2% match rate). There were far fewer IMG that ranked PM&R as their only choice, with only 10 applicants matched and 21 applicants unmatched (32.2% match rate). Looking at the data a little different, when considering ALL applicants (including those with multiple specialties ranked), there were 213 USMD matched applicants with 35 unmatched applicants (85.9% match rate). There were 134 DO matched applicants and 77 unmatched applicants (63.5% match rate). There were 15 IMG matched applicants and 19 unmatched applicants (44.1% match rate). Also note that IMGs have the lowest graduation rate of all school types. So my recommendation would be to avoid IMG. I would work hard to get into MD school, and use DO as a fall back plan. PM&R is considered a "DO-friendly" specialty, maybe the most friendly of all ACGME specialties, so consider how much lower the acceptance rate would be for other ACGME specialties. Graduates (of all types) are also statistically at a disadvantage (with the one exception being military applicants).

VSLO/AWAY ROTATIONS

I’ve decided to include this section, because as the field becomes more competitive, it becomes more important to have a good strategy in place for Away/home rotations. I’d highly recommend doing at least two home/away rotations in the specialty of PM&R. I would try to include both inpatient and outpatient exposure. The subspecialities involve do not matter. Earlier rotations are nice because there is a better chance to be able to get an academic letter of recommendation. Speaking of LOR’s, the AAP is strongly encouraging programs to write and request SLOE (Standardized Letter of Evaluation. Time will tell how many programs actually require it, but the number is likely going to be higher than 0%. I’d request your letter writer to fill out the SLOE form, and include a narrative letter of recommendation in the appropriate space within the form.

VSLO is the system that is used by most programs to submit applications. Just a few words of wisdom regarding the actual system. First, VSLO is not very organized when it comes to notifying you of application windows. Unfortunately, there is not a single site that shows every PM&R program’s application windows, so you have to do some leg work on your own. It is worth the investment to research the programs that you are most interested, figure out their application windows, and requirements. Second, there are steps that take place between the time that you submit your completed application and the program actually receives your application package through VSLO. Programs may have an office of medical school clerkships that screens the packages for completion. Next, the students registrar’s office often have to sign off on the rotation. It’s not until then that the application is viewable by the reviewers at the program. At that point, you’re in limbo. I make it a point to email applicants to notify them the timelines and the process of review. From what I hear, that is not common. My program performs a holistic review of all applications that it receives and offers, waitlist notifications, and denial notifications are all sent out roughly a week after the window closes. From what I understand, that is not often what happens at most programs. It is typically first come first served (or a rolling application review). So with that said, I have two recommendation: 1) after submitting your application I’d notify the program coordinator, 2) I’d try to get your application in relatively quickly. I have seen a number of students get penalized for their registrars office note clearing their application in a timely manner.

SLOE (LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION)
This is a topic that now deserves it's own category, as it'll be new for 2025-2026 and I don't think there is a good understanding of what is expected. The AAP has done a very good job of getting information out there, but to ensure that you see it as many places as possible, I'm also going to say a few words about it. As PM&R is getting more competitive, it is getting more difficult to differentiate applicants. The SLOE is designed to help programs with that process. It's essentially a checkbox evaluation but with a section to include a traditional narrative-based letter of recommendation.

The AAP has strongly encouraged programs to require one SLOE letter of recommendation and there will be a percentage of programs that will make it a requirement. You'll have to look at program websites to learn whether or not it is required, but I'm guessing that there'll be enough programs requiring it that you'll want one. When you ask for a PM&R LOR, you'll want it to be done through the SLOE form. The last I checked the AAP was on version 3 of the form, so they may still be tinkering with it before the final one is put out. Stay tuned.

TYPES OF PM&R PROGRAMS
I will break this up into three categories: Advanced, Categorical, and Physician (R). Advanced programs are three year programs which start PGY-2. Categorical programs are four year programs that start PGY-1. Physician (R) programs are three year programs that start PGY-2. The difference between Advanced and Physician (R) is that you apply two years in advance for Advanced programs, and same year for Physician (R). Physician (R) is valuable for those who have already started post-graduate training. In regards to competitiveness of types of programs, categorical are typically the most competitive because most applicants don’t want to move between internship and residency, and it is also easier to match to one program vs two (PGY1 and PGY2). Physician (R) spots are competitive because there are typically less than 10 spots total available per year. Military brethren…timing is important. If you are getting out in two years…you need to apply to advanced programs now! Use applying to categorical/physician-only as a fall back plan next year. But it isn’t ideal because you need to get your separation request in before even the military match same year.

AM I COMPETITIVE FOR PM&R
Let me start by saying that PM&R, despite being one of the most competitive specialties by sheer numbers, is one of the more forgiving specialties in terms of board scores. I am not going to say that your numbers don’t matter, because they do. But you are more likely to get an interview at a reputable PM&R residency without elite scores than many of the other competitive specialties. PM&R prides itself on “fit” and “personality”. If you are a gunner…stay away, because you will stick out like a sore thumb. Many programs conduct a holistic review of applications, but I'd acknowledge that some applicants are helped more than others. Individuals from underrepresented backgrounds, such as ethnic minorities, military, and those with disabilities are more likely to benefit from holistic review than individuals not within those groups. On the most recent program director survey, the most significant factor in the decision to conduct a holistic review is "increase resident diversity". Both the average USMLE rate for matched individuals and the overall match percentage is very similar for PM&R and all specialties. It's a semi competitive specialty regarding board scores, but the competition comes in the form of large number of applicants with limited seats.

ERAS
ERAS is the system used to submit your application to programs you are interested in. I'm going to include this here so help preserve your wellness. I recommend opening a new email account specific for receiving interview invitations. Then you can set push notifications for receiving emails from that specific account. Most programs are good about giving applicants plenty of time to respond to interview invites so that you do not have to rush out of a patient encounter in the middle of the day to coordinate interviews. However, with that said, there are still some reports of not every program being civil/humane on this matter. By setting push notifications on your phone connected to your email you get immediate notifications about interviews so that you can be prompt on replying. The importance of not linking your school or primary personal email is because it would be distracting to get frequent push notifications for emails not specific to interviews, and has a high likelihood of adding to OCD tendencies and anxiety.

HOW MANY PROGRAMS TO APPLY/HOW MANY PROGRAM TO RANK
This is an excellent topic and you'll get a variety of opinions. I've decide to combine these two different topics into one section because even though, chronologically, you interview before you rank programs, the ultimate goal is to match. I'm going to discuss the match/ranking statistics first, which will help you better understand the context of applications.

If you look at charting outcomes you will see a graph that is commonly referenced to determine how many programs to rank. That graph shows that an applicant that ranks 12-13 programs contiguously has a 90% chance to match, and after that point there are diminishing returns and the probability never gets to 100%. Understand that there is quite a bit of bias that goes into that graph. First, most applicants are aware of the information derived from the graph (either from seeing the graph or being told by someone that you need "x" number of interviews to match). So the significant majority of applicants are intentionally meeting that threshold. But does an applicant need 12-13 ranked programs to match? The answer is not necessarily. For example, there are many applicants that match at their #1 ranked program. They clearly didn't need 12-13 ranked programs to match, they only need one. There are also individuals with over 15 ranked programs that fail to match. Applicants don't match by having a ton of interviews (though getting a ton of interviews is often a reflection of the strength of the applicant), they match by being ranked highly by at least one program.

In most cases, the individuals that match, do so by matching HIGHLY on their own rank list. There are not available statistics specific for PM&R, but there are stats on this topic that incorporate all specialties, and considering that PM&R is a middle of the pack specialty regarding competitiveness, I think that it is fair to extrapolate these trends to apply to PM&R. Here is how USMD's match based on their rank list: 1st rank 45%, 2nd rank 14%, 3rd rank 10%, 4th rank 7%, >4th rank 20%, unmatched 6%. That means that 74% of the applicants only needed four programs on their rank list to match. The DO stats aren't considerably different: 1st rank 43%, 2nd rank 16%, 3rd rank 10%, 4th rank 7%, >4th rank 17%, unmatched 8%. Again, 75% of applicants only need to rank 4 programs to match. So it is clear that most individuals that match do so by matching highly on their rank list. How many applicants are actually matching at programs ranked below 8 on their rank list? The number has be very low (sub-10%). If an applicant is not matching within their top 8, I'd actually wager that they are pretty unlikely to match at all. But as it stands, there is very little downside to ranking every program that you interview, and the average USMD applicant is ranking over 16 programs (likely slightly inflated because programs with both categorical and advanced programs are counted twice). The average applicant should attempt to rank at least 8 program.

Are all interview invites created equal? This is a topic very difficult to study. More work needs to be done to determine the characteristics of those that match versus those that do not match. I do know that an interview linked to a home/away PM&R rotation has more opportunity than the interviews without a rotation. I believe that this would be especially true during the age of virtual interviews. The key to matching isn't getting 12-13+ interviews, it's getting ranked to match by at least one program. An applicant doing well on a rotation tied with doing well on an interview is going to have an advantage. I say all of this to tell you that if you have multiple home/away rotations and 8 interviews I'd feel more confident in your ability to match than 8 interviews with one home/away rotation. The number of home/away PM&R rotations, as well as the overall strength of the applicant, are all considerations in determining the length of a rank list (as well as the number of applications to submit). Speaking of the later...

If you thought that the decision on how many programs to rank (and how many interviews to attend) was nebulous and confusing, you haven't seen nothing yet! Get ready for some math. NRMP tracks match data, but it does not track data about applications. But fortunately, AAMC has started to track a limited amount of data regarding application trends. Here are the mean interview rates for signaled and non-signaled applications last year with 8 signals per applicant.

MD - 53% return on signaled apps, 11% return on non-signaled apps
DO - 45% return on signaled apps, 5% return on non-signaled apps
IMG - 6% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps

While we do not have the 20 signal per applicant data, as I previously mentioned, logic would suggest that there will be a reduction in return on signaled and non-signaled applications. You can perform statistics to estimate how 20 signals per applicant would affect interview rate:

MD- 37% return on signaled apps, 7% return on non-signaled apps
DO- 24% return on signaled apps, 3% return on non-signaled apps
IMG- 1.5% return on signaled apps, 0% return on non-signaled apps

You can then perform modeling to predict the returns for 10th percentile, 25th percentile, 75th percentile, and 90th percentile applicants. If you have read my commentary on the competitiveness of DO applicants in the OP, you’ll see that it is my opinion that DO applicants are not at a disadvantage to MD applicants if they have a similar resume. The challenge is that there are far more below average DO applicants applying than below average MD applicants (those applicants typically get better guidance and self-select for less difficult specialties or compensate in other ways). So you have to take the statistics above with a grain of salt. I think that equivalent MD and DO applicants should have a similar return on signaled and non-signaled applications, so consider that when looking at my categories below.

USMDs and DOs:
10th percentile (Step 1-2 failure, 400-479 COMLEX 2, remediation, no research, application red flags)- Apply to only signals/auditions, see strategic targeting, apply to back-up specialty
25th percentile (215-230 USMLE 2, 479-555 COMLEX 2, minimal research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to minimum 47 (not including signals), consider back-up specialty
50th percentile (230-245 USMLE 2, 555-640 COMLEX 2, average research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to minimum 13 (not including signals)
75th percentile (245-260 USMLE 2, 640-745 COMLEX 2), above average research/extracurricular activities)- Apply to only signal/auditions
90th percentile (260+ USMLE 2, 745+ COMLEX 2, exceptional research/work experience)- Apply to only signal/auditions

IMGs: Apply to only signal/auditions, see strategic targeting, apply to back-up.


ARE OSTEOPATHIC STUDENTS COMPETITIVE
PM&R is a very DO friendly field. It has the highest percentage of DOs per specialty (exclude OMM residency, of course). It is interesting that the match rate is so much lower for DO applicants than MD applicants considering that the specialty is very DO-friendly. When I review applications, it is actually quite rare to see a USMD applicant that does not have a competitive application. Does that mean that there aren't below average MD students out there? Of course not. But they generally do not apply to PM&R. I cannot say the same for DO applicants. I frequently see DO applications with sub-500 COMLEX or failures, no research, etc. There is a bit of a discrepancy in the extracurricular opportunities for DOs versus USMDs, and I do not think that DOs have the same research opportunities as MD students that largely are attached to academic centers with attendings that are conducting research. But that is not even the biggest factor. I truly believe that DOs are a disadvantage when it comes to mentorship. DO schools are not consistently giving their students good advice and showing them "tough love" on the competitiveness of the specialties they hope to apply. I'm convinced that up to 30% of DOs that apply to PM&R probably shouldn't be, or at least should be applying with a strong consideration of a backup. Meanwhile, USMD students are getting better advice from their schools and are self-selecting for less competitive specialties.

Should DO students take the USMLE? The age-long debate that will not likely end anytime soon. This is a very difficult topic to study, but I'm going to lay out the factors that I believe to be most important in the decision-making.

For step 1, I think that the decision is easier. Unless you are either uncertain about going into PM&R or want to go to a VERY RARE PM&R program that includes USMLE as part of their entrance requirements, then I wouldn't recommend taking USMLE Step 1. You have essentially nothing to gain and everything to lose. I can't tell you the number of students that I've seen do fine on COMLEX but fail USMLE Step 1.

For step 2, the decision becomes a bit more challenging. Is a COMLEX score equal to a USMLE score? It's debatable. The minimum passing score on COMLEX 2 is 400, and the minimum passing score for USMLE 2 is 215. Both are roughly 5th percentile. 50th percentile for COMLEX is roughly 530, whereas 50th percentile for USMLE 2 is roughly 250. So you would think that programs would say that a 530 COMLEX equals 250 USMLE, right? But the answer is often no. And the reason is that there have been studies that have been published that looks at how students do on COMLEX versus USMLE. Here is an example of such a study: A Concordance Study of COMLEX-USA and USMLE Scores. What that study showed that students that got a 530 COMLEX didn't get a 250 USMLE, it was closer to 225. So 50th percentile on COMLEX is essentially 10th percentile on USMLE. Using those stats the authors derived a conversion chart, and that is the conversion chart that is often used by residency programs. ERAS for Programs links a conversion calculator for COMLEX to USMLE, and it is essentially a link to NBOME, and NBOME uses that table that is linked in that study. To summarize, the conversion table weights USMLE significantly higher than COMLEX when comparing percentile. But does the gain in that weight outweigh the risks? Its is my opinion that it does not. Here is my rationale. If you are an average to below average DO student, you are at risk for failing the USMLE. You spend your entire med school career being prepared to take the COMLEX. Your tests are largely formatted to prepare you to take the COMLEX. The USMLE is VERY DIFFERENT structurally. So students that plan to take both invest a considerable amount of time and effort preparing for the structure (and content of USMLE). The COMLEX is often an afterthought; something that gets done a week after taking USMLE, often with a week of prep including cramming OMT. But you DON'T have the same time to prep for the COMLEX as a student that takes both tests. My second concern is burnout and testing fatigue. It is absolutely exhausting taking one step exam. Taking two has to have a negative impact on the test taker. I have real concerns that taking both tests can HURT your COMLEX score simply from burnout and testing fatigue. My last concern is that DOs typically do very well on the COMLEX relative to USMLE because they typically ace the OMT section. So by testing the USMLE, you are missing 10% of your test that is easy to ace for a student interested in MSK, which will reduce your USMLE score relative to COMLEX. If you are a STELLAR DO student, sure, you'll be fine on USMLE. But the truth is that you'll very likely be fine without it. If you are an average to below average student, taking both tests has a real chance to hurt you, and it can be the difference in being able to match to PM&R. I have previously done research on match rates for DO students that took USMLE versus those that did not. The match rates were only negligibly lower for those without the USMLE. You can see my methods and calculations here: COMLEX vs. USMLE and COMLEX - PM&R. Note that I can't speak specifically about every programs opinion on this topic. So if you have a very specific program targeted, it would be wise to look into the application requirements for that program. But on the whole, most programs do not discriminate against DOs, and it doesn't seem to matter if the applicant has a USMLE score or not.

Residency explorer has stats on %interviewed by program, but it’s difficult to interpret those stats because the programs with higher interview percentages for DO often are higher for everyone (MDs included). On the whole, it’s hard to say if any particular program is more or less DO friendly than others. Class composite also likely varies. Our first class was 100% DO, and our second 100%. I likely wouldn’t put too much weight into the stats here.

ARE IMG STUDENTS COMPETITIVE
The field is becoming more competitive for IMGs as the competitiveness increases on the whole. But it is becoming a challenge specifically for IMGs. The percentage of IMG matching to PM&R has been on a steady decline over the past 20 years. IMGs typically self-select for less competitive specialties and we are seeing a trend of fewer IMGs applying to PM&R over the past few years. So take that into consideration when looking at the match rate. The IMGs that are applying are either very strong IMGs (relative to their IMG peers), or they do not have great insight on the competitiveness of the specialty. When reviewing applications I tend to see that dichotomy. I do think that strong IMG applicants should attempt to match into PM&R but it's no guarantee, and I'd have a backup. Average IMGs are facing an uphill battle matching to PM&R. If "all in" on PM&R, I'd recommend getting auditions and signal your auditions, and perhaps only apply to your audition programs/signals (and programs with a higher return on IMG applications), and use all of your other financial resources to apply/interview at a less competitive specialty. If you look at the statistics on IMGs that apply to PM&R as their ONLY option on their rank-order list (ROL), the match rate is about 32% (for both US and non-US IMG). Poor strategy.

The programs with a high range (>19%) of return on interviews for US-IMG applicants last year were:
Larkin Palm Springs, Montefiore/Einstein

The programs with a high range (>19%) of return on interviews for non-US-IMG applicants last year were:
Larkin Palm Springs, Metropolitan, Hopkins, Montefiore/Einstein

The programs with a respectable range (8-19%) of return on interviews for US-IMG applicants last year were [remembering that 11% is the average return on a random application]:
Schwab, Eastern Virginia, Nassau, Metropolitan, Larkin, SUNY Upstate, Tower, Emory

The programs with a respectable range (8-19%) of return on interviews for non-US-IMG applicants last year were [remembering that 11% is the average return on a random application]:
Baylor COM, Rochester Regional, Tower, Providence, Tufts, Larkin, Yale, Indiana, Kansas, Icahn Mt Sinai, Londa Linda, UF, Spaulding

Tons of programs with a low range (<8%) of return on interviews for US-IMG applicants last year.

ARE MILITARY APPLICANTS COMPETITIVE
Military applicants have a rare opportunity to close the gap with an excellent personal statement. The truth is that most med students’ personal statements look very similar. If you can tie together your fleet experience and training with your desire to do PM&R, the personal statement will help you stand apart. With the emphasis on holistic application review, this further helps military applicants. I would also say that military applicants have a good chance to stand apart in the interview process. Even if you were a mediocre med student, I would still strongly suggest that you apply to even the top PM&R programs because a PD may read your personal statement and want to meet you. That is an open door. There are not any statistics specific to military applicants in the civilian match, unfortunately.

WHAT ARE THE FACTORS PROGRAMS FIND IMPORTANT FOR ISSUING INVITES
The majority of programs are using holistic review to screen out applicants (roughly 60%). Increasing residency diversity is a significant factor in the significant majority of programs (95%) adopting holistic review, so that is certainly a factor. You have to look back at the most recent Program Directors survey to see the factors that they found most important in granting interviews. The most notable academic factors at that time were: 1) MSPE (aka Dean's letter), 2) Failed attempt at USMLE/COMLEX, 3) USMLE score, 4) COMLEX score. The most impactful personal characteristics included: 1) Prior match violation, 2) Specialty LOR, 3) Commitment to specialty, 4) Diversity characteristics, 5) Professionalism/ethics. All other factors were far less impactful. I would recommend reading this article for more information: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-PD-Survey-Report-for-WWW.pdf. Signals are a factor in determining invites, as mentioned above. Unless explicitly told by a PD/APD to not signal a home program or program that you audition, I recommend that you signal the program. 66% of PDs recommend signaling home and audition sites, 31% recommend not signaling home site because they are automatically interviewed, 17% recommend not signaling audition sites because the audition was the signal of interest. In other words, the stats say to signal all of the programs that you're most interested, including home/auditions/signals. https://www.aamc.org/media/75861/download?attachment.

I HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN INTERVIEW…WHICH DATE SHOULD I CHOOSE
Most programs are going to conduct invitations from October through January (with early November being the peak). Most invites will occur in September-October and trickle in afterward. Many programs will also not conduct interviews for the weeks of Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, and AAPMR Annual Meeting. With virtual interviews, strategy on when to schedule interviews has become less important. The key is just staying organized. Have a list of dates on your calendar that you cannot attend going into the process, and then keep track of all of the invitations that you receive so that you don't schedule two on the same day. The yearly Google Sheet is a solid resource in determining when each program usually conducts interviews.

DO LETTERS OF INTEREST MATTER?
I honestly don’t think that status update requests are incredibly helpful. PC’s get tons of these each week. What is helpful is expressing your interest to program coordinators while requesting an invitation if one becomes available. When should you consider emailing PCs? Considering that peak season is November, I would take advance of that time period. Only email PCs at programs you are genuinely interested in, and only do so if you know that the program has sent out a batch of rejections and you weren't on the list. Will programs hold it against you that you were a “waitlist guy/gal”? See below.

WHAT ARE THE FACTORS PROGRAMS FIND IMPORTANT FOR RANKING APPLICANTS
The process that program directors rank candidates is very different than the process in which they issue interviews. Think about this for a second. If you rank every PM&R program before and after you interview, you will notice a big difference between your pre-and-post interview rankings. Which ranking list would you trust more? Of course you would trust your post-interview ranking more, because some programs will exceed your expectations and some will let you down. The same applies to applicants. There are some people who look good on paper…high board scores, lots of research, cured cancer, etc. But that does not tend to translate to where an applicant gets ranked. If you don’t believe me, look at this study: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-PD-Survey-Report-for-WWW.pdf. The most important factors in determine where an applicant gets ranked includes: 1) Interpersonal skills, 2) Interactions with faculty, 3) Interactions with housestaff during interview/visit, and 4) Feedback from current residents. The PD's were NOT asked about the significance of signals or home/away rotations, but one would suspect that an applicant that does a home/away rotation has a better opportunity of demonstrating interpersonal skills and better interactions with staff/residents.

Will you be considered as a “waitlist guy/gal”…the answer is absolutely. First of all, you may not have lower scores than the ones who received invites. The primary reason is that once you get your invite you are essentially put on a level playing field. So if you are offered an interview by your dream program late in the season and have to cancel a program lower on your list…do it without hesitation. The numbers get you the invitation; the personality gets you the ranking.

HOW SHOULD I RANK MY PROGRAMS
I don’t think that any one person will be able to help you with this topic. It was my most difficult topic to tackle…by a good margin. After speaking with a variety of residents, staff, and PDs…I have come up with these two questions that are helpful in determining where to rank programs.

Ask yourself the following about each program in which you interview:
1) Will I be able to gain the level of training needed to set myself up for success in fellowship/employment?
2) Is the program a place where I feel I can thrive?

They are broad questions…but they are incredibly important. Will you gain the tools and will you be able to stand out? If you live in a location where you don’t feel comfortable…then you will not be able to thrive in that environment. If you have a family, you want to consider cost of living, safety, schools, and livability. If you are worried about your family member’s living conditions, you will struggle to thrive. If you didn’t feel like you have a good rapport with staff and residents…then that will make it difficult to stand apart. Being able to thrive is essential because it will determine if you are able to gain incredibly important recommendations by staff members. And that in large part will determine if you will get a fellowship or employment. Part of thriving is feeling supported by staff members. Are these folks going to go to bat for you and place calls to people to get you a job one day? Prestige is a factor, but it is something that it difficult to quantify. It's a consideration, but you definitely need to verify that a program lives up to the hype.

DO LETTERS OF INTENT MATTER?
The answer to this question may vary by program. Is it a new program and the program is placing a high emphasis on recruiting chief residents that are ambassadors for their program? I'd argue that program has reason to value letters of intent. But if it is a well established program, should it matter if someone has you #1 or #2 on their rank list? Likely not. But it doesn't hurt to notify your top program that they are #1 on your rank list. Just be aware of ACGME match rules. You cannot ask the program where they intent to rank you. That's a match violation. Many programs do not conduct post-interview communication with applicants out of concerns of match violations. So if you get a "ranked to match" letter from a program, that is great, but don't panic if you do not receive one.

I wish you the best of luck.
For looking at your own percentile, how do you judge yourself if you fall into multiple categories (i.e. Step 1 failure but good research, high Step 2 score)?
 
For looking at your own percentile, how do you judge yourself if you fall into multiple categories (i.e. Step 1 failure but good research, high Step 2 score)?
That’s a tough one. I think you’ll have a decent chance but it’s really hard to know which places will filter you out. I’d probably fit you in the 25th percentile group. That’d give you the 20 signals and the 47 non-signals to figure out which programs won’t hold the failed board against you. Auditions also help level the playing field.

The salary cap game is definitely not an absolute. Based on the game, you wouldn’t get a tier 1 signal…but it’s totally fine to spend the signals and applications as you please. I just threw it in there for you to consider having some level of variety. FYI…I wouldn’t only apply to the top 2 tiers in your shoes. Doesn’t mean you couldn’t match there though. BTW…there are lots of good programs out there…there isn’t always a correlate between competitiveness and the quality of education. And much is in the eye of a beholder.

When I put my rank list together back in the day here is my list:
1. Tier 2
2. Tier 5
3. Tier 5
4. Tier 5
5. Tier 2
6. Tier 1
7. Tier 2
8. Tier 3
9, Tier 2
10. Tier 4
 
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