PM&R @ UPenn

[Mavs]

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Can someone please tell me if PM&R at UPenn has a good reputation. Does anyone know if Temple is a much better program?


Also, which is considered the best PM&R program in NYC??

 

[drvlad2004]

I thought that UPenn has a good program when I interviewed there. Unfortunately, as a DO, they made itslef into a 4 year program. D.O.s in Pa must have that osteopathic internship in order to practice in that state, which I am definitely not ruling out. UPenn has good musculoskeletal, interventional spine, and peds (of course they have CHOP). Their weakness is definitely in TBI and SCI. Temple and Jefferson are more well-rounded programs. In terms of the NYC programs, I felt that none of them really stood out in terms of finding the best NYC program. Each program (Mt. Sinai, Cornell/Columbia, NYU, Einstein, St. Vincent's) are all very different programs. Each one of the NYC programs are inpatient oriented (except for St. Vincent's and Einstein) due to the high volume of patients. Each program is more based on your personal preference.

 

[paz5559]

Penn is the third best program in Philly, which is not to denegrate it so much as to agree with the prior post that Temple and Jeff are two of the nation's best programs.

That being said, I do think there is less here than meets the eye - yes, they have brought in Drs. Slipman, Cheville, and Chou, and yes, they put on what is quite possibly the best presentation of all the programs you will go around to see. On the other hand, why did David Musick, the vice chair and director of education, whose vision it was to revamp the program, leave to go to ECU? Why is it that Dr. Chou's fellowship has been placed on hold? Why haven't Dr. Slipman fellows come from the Penn program for a very long time (or, perhaps, why haven't Penn residents wanted to apply)? How much cancer reahb exposure do you get, or really need, for that matter? I am not sure I know the answers to those questions, but I would take a step back and ask.

As for the best program in NY? That is easy - Kessler. Yes, I know it is in NJ, but there is no comparison. Sinai and Columbia/Cornell are up and coming but clearly have their flaws, and NYU/Rusk is living on a reputation built on past glories.

 

[drvlad2004]

Wow, I didn't know that David Musick left to go to ECU. I agree with Paz about the NY programs. There is no best NY program. At UPenn, Dr. Chou seems like an awesome guy to work with. Hopefully, he will have the Sports & Spine fellowship continue.

 

[chauffeur]

i heard that Dr. Chou is leaving. i called and asked if i could do an elective with him and was told so by a secretary.

 

[axm397]

Dr. Musick left Penn because he was offered a much superior position at the other institution (dean?? I think...) Not so much "leaving Penn" but moving up the ladder politically.

I do agree though that Penn probably is not as reputable as Jeff and Temple. They are making efforts to improve and have recruited aggressively. BUT, it seems that as with other big academic medical centers, there's lots of politics and personality issues. I'm not sure how the PM&R department is regarded by the other departments at Penn. I think the PM&R departments are more established at Jeff and Temple.

I also did not like the way they handled our year's match - they basically told us a few weeks before the rank list was due - that they would not be offering any PGY2 spots, just 4 year PGY1 spots. They obviously were not concerned about the DO applicants by the separate email they sent those candidates. That doesn't really sit well with me since I feel that the way they treat you while you're an applicant may reflect the way they will treat you once you get there.

I didn't know Dr. Chou was leaving. Is that official? And yes, Dr. Cheville is wonderful. Dr. Slipman has been at Penn for a while - so he really wasn't "brought in" recently. He has a sweet political and financial situation at Penn so he most likely will not leave until he retires. His fellows definitely work hard - maybe even harder than some interns 😀 that's probably why many of Penn's residents choose not to apply for those positions.

 

[paz5559]

Dr. Musick left Penn because he was offered a much superior position at the other institution (dean?? I think...) Not so much "leaving Penn" but moving up the ladder politically.

Associate Dean, Medical Education
Clinical Professor, Dept of PM&R

Seems pretty much like a lateral move to me

For someone to move from Philly to Greenville, there has to be more to it than an insignificant move up the accademic hierarchy, no? I know Drs Moore and Wells are trying to build something @ ECU, but c'mon, you gotta be pretty unhappy to go from a major metropolis (albeit with terrible sports teams and food 😀) to BFE.

 

[Finally M3]

Moore and Wells are trying to build something @ ECU, but c'mon, you gotta be pretty unhappy to go from a major metropolis (albeit with terrible sports teams and food 😀) to BFE.

I dunno. I thought Philly's food scene was up & coming. Not Manhattan, but few places are. Definitely better than my neck of the woods. 😀

PS Eagles ain't that bad....TO or no TO.

 

[prefontaine]

Family reasons contributed to David Musick's move.