PNWU - Terrible Faculty Presentation and Interview Day

[SteelVelocity]

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[ortnakas]

To be fair, PNWU is honest about giving students who are from the area preference in terms of clinical sites. It's on their website. They're openly trying to recruit people from the region who plan to stay there. Obviously it's not ideal if you are not from that part of the country (it's part of why I didn't even apply), but it's not discrimination.

 

[SteelVelocity]

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[deleted244469]

To be fair, PNWU is honest about giving students who are from the area preference in terms of clinical sites. It's on their website. They're openly trying to recruit people from the region who plan to stay there. Obviously it's not ideal if you are not from that part of the country (it's part of why I didn't even apply), but it's not discrimination.

What about people that want to move to the region and stay there? Are we not allowed to do that?

Pretty blatant discrimination.


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[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

What about people that want to move to the region and stay there? Are we not allowed to do that?

Pretty blatant discrimination.


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How do they judge who actually plans on staying there and serving the community and who is just saying that? It's discrimination to select for IS and surrounding state applicants, but I don't think it's unfair if that's their mission. If you can show that you have ties to that area or have tangible reasons for wanting to settle down there, they should take that into consideration.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

The trouble began with the next presentation, where the doctor giving the presentation answered a student's question about the clinical rotation point system, where points are allocated based on the student's personal connections to the area, not their performance or interests.

PWNU is very open about this. Honestly you should have known this going in.

The tour was was even more disorganized, as we were NOT shown the inside of any of the lecture halls, the standardized patient area, or any of the mock doctor's offices because they were in use by other students.

None of this should influence your decision of where to go. Trust me, as someone who has been to 5+ interviews, they all look the same.

You would think that they would reserve those spaces for the tour, as they're advertising their school to us

Why should prospective students be more important than the actual medical students? If you dislike being passed over in favor of someone who is ahead of you in the process then medicine will be a tough go. This will happen all the all the way until you are the grizzled old attending about to retire.

Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things ...

Depending on your interpretation of "prejudicial", yes... yes it its.

Edit: You know what? If they didn't want OOS students, maybe they should accept fewer of them.

This is not discrimination in the slightest. Quite frankly, it's smart and I would do the same thing in their shoes because of their mission.

Oh and they don't really accept this large swath of OOS people. They do a pretty good job of keeping within their region. The real question is, all of this is openly available and if you don't like it then why even apply? That's your fault, not the school's.

What about people that want to move to the region and stay there? Are we not allowed to do that?

Pretty blatant discrimination.


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Uh duh, of course you are. But why should they believe you when you say that? People will say anything to get what they want. Also it's not like the OOS people aren't getting rotations.

Still not discrimination, why is this word thrown around so casually these days?


Honestly you should have done your homework going into the interview. I knew all of this about PWNU and I didn't even apply there.

 

[SlugMD]

Still not discrimination, why is this word thrown around so casually these days?

It's a "trigger" word that incites deep feelings for many. I also don't like how its being thrown around so casually.

 

[SteelVelocity]

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[Shotapp]

@SteelVelocity you are being sensitive and I agree with everything @AnatomyGrey12 has stated. When I apply in 2018, I will not apply to any OOS schools with very strong in-state recruitment (That should be common sense by reading schools mission statements on their websites. I can't afford to casually throw away money).

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Still not discrimination, why is this word thrown around so casually these days?

I do agree with everything you said. But the word discrimination doesn't necessarily apply only to unjust discrimination. By separating applicants into groups like those who are from surrounding states and those who are not, the school is discriminating, but that doesn't make it unjust necessarily.

My god, you're an a$$hole. I'm spending too much time on SDN - my mistake.

No one is being an dingus except maybe you.

 

[deleted244469]

How do they judge who actually plans on staying there and serving the community and who is just saying that? It's discrimination to select for IS and surrounding state applicants, but I don't think it's unfair if that's their mission. If you can show that you have ties to that area or have tangible reasons for wanting to settle down there, they should take that into consideration.

I understand your point, but couldn't individuals from the area do the same thing as well (I.e. Say they're staying and move away after graduation)?


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[AnatomyGrey12]

I understand your point, but couldn't individuals from the area do the same thing as well (I.e. Say they're staying and move away after graduation)?


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Yes, but it's a lot easier to believe someone who is from that region compared to someone who has never been. I have lived in eastern Washington and I couldn't even lie about it, I would never want to live there.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

I do agree with everything you said. But the word discrimination doesn't necessarily apply only to unjust discrimination. By separating applicants into groups like those who are from surrounding states and those who are not, the school is discriminating, but that doesn't make it unjust necessarily.

Exactly, if you really think about it we have to discriminate every day, and often do so to make decisions based on our goals and what we want/need. It isn't always this unjust action like you said. Well put.

My god, you're an a$$hole. I'm spending too much time on SDN - my mistake.

Solid 4am post. Solid. Nice way to address my points.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I understand your point, but couldn't individuals from the area do the same thing as well (I.e. Say they're staying and move away after graduation)?


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As someone said, it's easier to believe someone who already lives there and/or has strong ties than someone who only has a promise.

 

[Goro]

There's a reason why mission - based Schools with a geographic interest do what they do, and they have data to back it up based upon historic norms of applicants and interviewees.

It's not discrimination to have a regional bias.

And any fool can say " I want to practice in this state"

As someone said, it's easier to believe someone who already lives there and/or has strong ties than someone who only has a promise.