Which do u recommend?? Which do u think has a better future?? which is easier to find a job?
exactly.How about dental school?
Which do u recommend?? Which do u think has a better future?? which is easier to find a job?
Is that the foot in the mouth doctor.To the OP, maybe you should try Podentistry. It has been mentioned in a thread recently. It combines podiatry and dentistry. I have heard that is an up and coming field and many ivy league schools are scrambling to start programs ASAP. It would be a great degree to have because you can then offer your services to two unique groups, versus lowly DPMs/DDSs that only have one patient set. Think about it!!!!!!!
Quit you hurting me ribsTo the OP, maybe you should try Podentistry. It has been mentioned in a thread recently. It combines podiatry and dentistry. I have heard that is an up and coming field and many ivy league schools are scrambling to start programs ASAP. It would be a great degree to have because you can then offer your services to two unique groups, versus lowly DPMs/DDSs that only have one patient set. Think about it!!!!!!!
Is that the foot in the mouth doctor.
I tryNice!!
Really good use of humor!
To the OP, maybe you should try Podentistry. It has been mentioned in a thread recently. It combines podiatry and dentistry. I have heard that is an up and coming field and many ivy league schools are scrambling to start programs ASAP. It would be a great degree to have because you can then offer your services to two unique groups, versus lowly DPMs/DDSs that only have one patient set. Think about it!!!!!!!
Thats what i was thinking.what is teamplayers problem? quit trolling!
Oh yeah def go to the Caribbean and end up graduating as an FMG. Good lucking matching into a nice residency program here, if you match at all. With the new MD schools opening up, residency spots are going to be tight. Who do you think will be given consideration first a USMD graduate or an FMG? Being an MD is Antigua can't be that bad, right?
Residency is available to anyone that works hard in podiatry school. Its really that simple, work hard, do well in your clinical years and you'll match into a residency program. If you work hard you get what you deserve, if you don't work hard then you get nothing. Why don't people understand that concept?
Without being disrespectful, your account says you're an attending doc who has a DPM and a MD. That would mean that, at minimum, you graduated pod school eight years ago (4+ years in MD school and 3+ in residency), right?.....When I went to pod school...
Again, that may have been true a decade or more ago when you graduated pod school, but today, the programs have been standardized and shut down if they're totally inadequate. I'd say it's at least a 1/2 chance at a good quality residency training and a 1/4 shot at a great one. Of course a few people will end up with a bottom of the barrel residency, but that probably goes back to how they were as students.....Podiatry colleges will take your money, and you have maybe a 1 in 3 shot at an OK residency and a 1 in 10 shot at a great residency.
I guess I better stuff my blouse at residency interviews this weekend?....it was who you knew or what was under your blouse that got you a good residency. I'm sure it's still true...
If you work hard you get what you deserve, if you don't work hard then you get nothing. Why don't people understand that concept?
When I went to pod school it was who you knew or what was under your blouse that got you a good residency. I'm sure it's still true..
Uh when did you grad Pod school, 1805? I mean come on man, horses & quinine were in vogue then but get real. How can alot of guys be signing huge contracts w/ bonuses of 150K, & yet YOU claim all will end up on food stamps? Yo my man, as an attending, do you "attend" to more than your garden?This thread has me, a former podiatrist and current physician who went to both podiatry school and a caribbean medical school, and all these other posters who have done neither. They have no experience to back up their posts.
Believe me, Podiatry will leave alot of deserving students left out when it comes to residency training. Many of the spots are pathetic. An orthopod I worked with said the pod residency where he trained was a joke, they would have 8 residents scrubbed in on a hammertoe. This had to be an exxageration. But, pod programs have a long way to go.
I knew pod students who were at the top of the class, who were completely left out. When I went to pod school it was who you knew or what was under your blouse that got you a good residency. I'm sure it's still true.
In short caribbean med school leads to a residency and good job.
podiatry school might, but it is just as likely to lead nowhere.
Hey
Show tracheatoedoc some respect, he is still one of us, a DPM at heart. He is just calling it like he sees it.
What he says was true at one point, even I knew a lot of DPM students who were excellent in school and did not get the top spots. However, they still joined practices or groups or even set out on their own and did well.
And there are those who did top residencies and just did average or below avg in careers.
I think the offshore med schools are good if you research the residency aspect. If you feel like you will be tops and get a good residency then go for it, because the MD from offshore combined with a US residency means you can practice anywhere in North or South America, and some parts of Europe and Asia and Middle East.
The DPM, only works in the US. Even though there is an international federation of podiatry that includes places like UK, Spain, Aus/NZ, South Africa, your DPM does not mean much there, at least I dont think it means anything.
There is no way you can go to London England with a DPM and a 3 year surgical residency and start doing hammertoe and bunion surgery. You have to complete one of their surgical residencies. I dont think it is the same if you have an MD, meaning you just sit for a few of their board exams I think and then you are in.
Bottom line, do your research on how FMGs are treated and how easy it is to get a US residency.
Podiatry has an old recruitment line. The future is so bright, aging population, mainstream in healthcare, the profession is evolving, blah,blah,blah.
There are not enough residency positions for graduates. The pod schools don't care, they just want your tuition. Good residencies are hard to come by.
Getting an MD and doing IM or FP in Bakersfield, CA will always be a better career option than podiatry. Podiatrists face discrimination daily and always will. Don't believe me? Become a pod and post here in 10 years.
I finished DPM 20 years ago. The state of podiatry has not significantly improved in that time. There may be a few jobs in multispecialty clinics. OK. No one is getting a 150k bonus to sign a contract. I agree there has been an improvement in privileges.
I will looking forward to it, sorry you hate podiatry so much! That's too bad. Hopefully you are happy not being one...right cause you have your DPM and your MD
My man Trachs, in all honesty, what be the reason ANYONE would do Pods if the cash is in MD? I'm thinking to myself, who in their right head would waste clock doing Pods when the lucrativity is in allo? I see why you did it & maybe you're warning rookies here, but I don't see the mods that are full blown DPM's here quitting there day jobs to moonlight as bouncers at local dive bars & such. What truly gives boss? What's your takehome message here too? To scare or advise or screwup heads or..?I don't hate Podiatry. I had a great practice and miss it in some ways.
I dislike the fact that the structure of podiatric training is not better.
Incidentally, I looked up CASPR a few hours ago and can see that the residency situation IS much improved from eons ago. But, I would hesitate to spend 160,000 or more to get a DPM unless there was absolutely a good psr36 for every graduate. Keep working, Deans and Presidents, or don't accept more students than can be trained postgrad.
How can anyone disagree?
Who would say that the schools should admit as many as they can and if you can't get postgraduate training, thengoshdarnit you just didn't try hard enough.?!?
Haha, saying PSR-36 is really dating you. Just to amend the numbers you quoted: I think the stats show around 400 students graduating this year and next, and the classes of 600 students will be graduating in 2011 and 2012 (my class). I did a brief count and came up with 150+ programs offering the PM&S-36 residencies and another 75 or so offering PM&S-24. If you figure that each program that offers PM&S-36 has around 2 spots per year on average, that is around 300 spots plus the PM&S-24 spots that will be converted to PM&S-36 spots in the next few years, that is at least 400. So I would think that this year and maybe next will be close as to everyone getting at least a residency, but after that, it will get a lot tighter unless several new programs are opened or spots added to existing ones. Will that lower the quality of some residencies as they try to add new spots and reduce the number of cases you see or increase the number of residents per case? Sure. Will some of the residencies be lower-quality? Absolutely. All prospective students should look at the situation and ask those in charge what they are doing to fix the problem. But I'm not sure why someone would come on here and tell people to absolutely not become podiatrists.I did yesterday and it occurs to me today that the site lists enough psr36 programs to accomodate an entire graduating class from one school.
Using recently quoted numbers of 600+ students, and the roughly 100 spots I saw on the website. I didn't count. I also know for a fact that not all psr36's are worth doing.
I agree, this is important. I'm not sure how I put words into your mouth. I'm agreeing with most of what you are saying, except I am giving a less-extreme view since I think you saying 50% won't get residencies is quite extreme. Especially since most (if not all) 2-year residencies will be switching to 3-year residencies. There is no denying that the residency situation is one the demands attention.I am just pointing out that podiatry is failing it's graduates. If 600 students enter podiatry school this year, then there should be over 600 residency positions available.
Many of those PSR36 programs only take one resident. I went through several of them, and indeed most that I sampled had one spot.
Essentially, you don't know how many positions there are.
This is important information. I would not recommend going to pod school if there is only roughly a 50% chance of a surgical residency..Nearly every student entering Scholl next year will say they want a 3 year surgical residency. In 4 years half of them will not have that.
Ahh, the gist of what I'm getting from what's been said here so far is - that even if you GET a great residency you'll still flop as a DPM, period. I assume trachs is talking about insurance not picking up your billing, or referrals not sent your way due to the "incompetence" of a "lowly" DPM. Now if I'm putting "words in your mouth" let it be said that the "gist" is clearly evident ahem that a DPM is, obviously & clearly, subservient to an MD/DO. So big trachs, am I right on here or way off base? You make the call.
never said lowly nor did I say incompetence.
It is much much much better to be an FP or internist than a lowly pod.
GOOOOOOD CATCH BAHAAAAAA!!!You sure?
I don't hate Podiatry. I had a great practice and miss it in some ways.
I dislike the fact that the structure of podiatric training is not better.
Incidentally, I looked up CASPR a few hours ago and can see that the residency situation IS much improved from eons ago. But, I would hesitate to spend 160,000 or more to get a DPM unless there was absolutely a good psr36 for every graduate. Keep working, Deans and Presidents, or don't accept more students than can be trained postgrad.
How can anyone disagree?
Who would say that the schools should admit as many as they can and if you can't get postgraduate training, thengoshdarnit you just didn't try hard enough.?!?
First of all everyone needs to calm down and stop throwing out all of this nonsense. If you don't know the facts then please don't say anything. After reading this thread I did some research. The facts I am about to tell you come directly from the APMA and CPME. This list was updated as of 1/5/09.
Number of Residencies
PM&S 36 - 379
PM&S 24 - 97
PSR 24 - 4
PSR 12 -2
PPMR - 0
POR - 0
RPR - 3
Total - 485
Source: http://www.apma.org/Members/Education/CPMEAccreditation/Residencies/CPME300updated081508.aspx
(if that link does not work go to www.cpme.org click residencies, then click the link for approved residencies in podiatric medicine.)
I think a few things are evident from this data.
1) All of the 1 year residencies are being phased out.
2) There is a push to make everything a PM&S 36 year residency.
3) It is not true that 1/2 of podiatry graduates will not get a residency based on sheer availability. Almost every graduate will
4) For the new classes the residency situation is tight.
The president of the APMA spoke to our class a while back and said that many places contacted him in order to open up new programs as well as open up new positions within existing programs.
I would expect this number to continually rise and that every hard working deserving graduate from a podiatry school will get a residency and have a wonderful career. This is not wishful thinking.
If vision 2015 becomes a reality, even better.
Wow, OK it's not as bad as I thought. I still think that every syudent position should have a residency position and there should be some to spare.
Wjen I said lowly I should have Embraced it in quotation marks.
I don't look down on podiatry or podiatrists, but society kinda does.
That is the source of my use of "lowly"
Sorry if it hurt your feelings.
If 600 students, then 700 residencies. Make them beg not you.
Wow, OK it's not as bad as I thought. I still think that every syudent position should have a residency position and there should be some to spare.
Wjen I said lowly I should have Embraced it in quotation marks.
I don't look down on podiatry or podiatrists, but society kinda does.
That is the source of my use of "lowly"
Sorry if it hurt your feelings.
If 600 students, then 700 residencies. Make them beg not you.
Your typing skills are getting worse on successive posts. Are you rushing to defend your "position" or admitting that either,
1) You're NOT an MD and NOT a DPM or
2) You've come home again from the bar drinking & "claiming" to be a doc or
3) You're just simply running out of bs to spout vs. DPMs.
I'm not sure which answer to chose. Which MCAT answer would you pick?