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Hi folks, DMU 1st year here.

Talked to a third year today about residencies, and mentioned a program in new york I was interested in with a 3.2 gpa. He said its a 3.2 gpa but they really want 3.8's and regarding the other residencies also in new york , which are as low as a 2.7 based on what I can see, he said are actually focused on 3.5 +.

I was reassured that I can still move back to new york over after residency. Then we spoke about working for a hospital and basically got the response that "yeah you can work for a hospital but they wont pay you much more than 240 k", private practice is where the money is.

Am I missing something here?
Ive went through the several threads on this forum and seems like most podiatry salaries are 150-200 and anyone making over 240 k is mostly blessed. There is a small percentage of people making 400 k who work for ortho groups.
Also are GPAS that high? They ask for a 2.7 on their page but are getting 3.5 applicants.
Finally does anyone know if I would be able to transfer to NYCPM for january and restart? I dont think I can get much higher than a 3.2 here. Even if god took my tests for me a 3.5 at best.
 
Programs can list a low number and expect a much higher number. They can list a minimum number and still match people below that number. They can offer clerkships to people with GPAs below their minimum, and then not offer them an interview. You'll have to do your own research and potentially contact programs to find out what exactly their expectations are. Honestly, I think you'll be doing a lot of this leg work on your own because I really doubt DMU has NY connections. The fact of the matter is that schools are self selecting - people who want to do residency in NY usually elect to go to school in NY. They have access to classmates who mostly placed in NY and East coast to bounce these sort of questions off of and easier access to visiting these programs to get an idea of their expectations. DMU has its own programs where it has historically placed students with a greater frequency. Not to throw a monkey wrench in your life - if I wanted to do a residency in NY I would have completed school there.

Not to crap on NY too much, but NY has a bunch of programs who scramble regularly, year after year. Local students probably know why. Out of town students may not have access to people willing to talk. Maybe its the lack of a RRA which is present at many NY programs, or maybe its terrible lifestyle or some other issue. Do you know the names of these programs? I doubt it...

As far as "salaries" are concerned, put the numbers out of your head and when you have some time to explore the issue - research and try to understand how does a podiatrist get paid or produce a living. My experience interacting with other people on these forums is that many have limited, trivial work experience and don't understand that no one is just going to pay you - you are going to have to product and collect.
 
heybrother said:
Programs can list a low number and expect a much higher number. They can list a minimum number and still match people below that number. They can offer clerkships to people with GPAs below their minimum, and then not offer them an interview. You'll have to do your own research and potentially contact programs to find out what exactly their expectations are. Honestly, I think you'll be doing a lot of this leg work on your own because I really doubt DMU has NY connections. The fact of the matter is that schools are self selecting - people who want to do residency in NY usually elect to go to school in NY. They have access to classmates who mostly placed in NY and East coast to bounce these sort of questions off of and easier access to visiting these programs to get an idea of their expectations. DMU has its own programs where it has historically placed students with a greater frequency. Not to throw a monkey wrench in your life - if I wanted to do a residency in NY I would have completed school there.

Not to crap on NY too much, but NY has a bunch of programs who scramble regularly, year after year. Local students probably know why. Out of town students may not have access to people willing to talk. Maybe its the lack of a RRA which is present at many NY programs, or maybe its terrible lifestyle or some other issue. Do you know the names of these programs? I doubt it...

As far as "salaries" are concerned, put the numbers out of your head and when you have some time to explore the issue - research and try to understand how does a podiatrist get paid or produce a living. My experience interacting with other people on these forums is that many have limited, trivial work experience and don't understand that no one is just going to pay you - you are going to have to product and collect.
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I understand the first three paragraphs.
My decision for DMU was just that it had a higher success rate for students but at the same time the students are probably better than the less selective new york program hence my competition is higher.

Ive had thorough experience working in the real world. And that real world is the actual real world where insurance companies, forced healthcare, and government aid dont intervene. I find it ridiculous you cant give a ball park number or a range, precision does not matter. I dont have the time to evaluate the basis, but I understand there are variations due to location costs, types of practices and procedures done, I am just curious if it is unusual for a podiatrist to make more than 250 k, because the student I spoke with made 250 k sound like a low number for a podiatrist.

I also appreciate your attempt to help me out here, but if I can say an IM doc is probably going to make 200 on average and fall between 100-300 k, or a neurosurgeon is probably going to make 600 k on average and fall in the range of 400-1 million, why is it so hard to give this for podiatrists?
 
2FootTallDoctor said:
Hi folks, DMU 1st year here.

Talked to a third year today about residencies, and mentioned a program in new york I was interested in with a 3.2 gpa. He said its a 3.2 gpa but they really want 3.8's and regarding the other residencies also in new york , which are as low as a 2.7 based on what I can see, he said are actually focused on 3.5 +.

I was reassured that I can still move back to new york over after residency. Then we spoke about working for a hospital and basically got the response that "yeah you can work for a hospital but they wont pay you much more than 240 k", private practice is where the money is.

Am I missing something here?
Ive went through the several threads on this forum and seems like most podiatry salaries are 150-200 and anyone making over 240 k is mostly blessed. There is a small percentage of people making 400 k who work for ortho groups.
Also are GPAS that high? They ask for a 2.7 on their page but are getting 3.5 applicants.
Finally does anyone know if I would be able to transfer to NYCPM for january and restart? I dont think I can get much higher than a 3.2 here. Even if god took my tests for me a 3.5 at best.
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also 1st year DMU.

5 of the past graduating class went east coast for residency including one in New York (Buffalo). Another 13 or so are not in the Midwest for residency. Nearly 40% did not stay in the Midwest. Work hard and you can get a residency in New York or wherever you want. I don't know too much about the New York residencies so take this with a very very large grain of salt, but I've been told there are plenty there that aren't super competitive. A quick search does show quite a few New York residencies having positions that do not have RRA which may or may not be worrisome to you. PM me if you want to talk about it.
 
feetsreets said:
also 1st year DMU.

5 of the past graduating class went east coast for residency including one in New York (Buffalo). Another 13 or so are not in the Midwest for residency. Nearly 40% did not stay in the Midwest. Work hard and you can get a residency in New York or wherever you want. I don't know too much about the New York residencies so take this with a very very large grain of salt, but I've been told there are plenty there that aren't super competitive. A quick search does show quite a few New York residencies having positions that do not have RRA which may or may not be worrisome to you. PM me if you want to talk about it.
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Thanks, quick question, if something such as RRA is not included, can I just do a fellowship to attain that training?
 
2FootTallDoctor said:
Thanks, quick question, if something such as RRA is not included, can I just do a fellowship to attain that training?
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Im not entirely sure about that and that would be a question really for someone with more experience with those certifications, but as far as my understanding goes no, you wouldn't be able to. It's a certification only attained through your residency. But I'd suggest asking Dr Yoho or one of the other professors

Also, I mean you could do a fellowship and get that training, but my limited understanding is that you wouldn't get the certification.
 
2FootTallDoctor said:
Thanks, quick question, if something such as RRA is not included, can I just do a fellowship to attain that training?
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When it comes to fellowships, they want you to already have a strong interest in that specific field (i.e you better know your literature and the big names in that field), and your program has to have prepared you adequately to be able to perform procedures independently in that fellowship. The reason is fellowships are supposed to make you better in what you already are good at, not to teach you the basics.

Short answer is if your residency didn’t give you RRA training, then most likely you won’t be getting a fellowship in RRA.
 
2FootTallDoctor said:
Hi folks, DMU 1st year here.

Talked to a third year today about residencies, and mentioned a program in new york I was interested in with a 3.2 gpa. He said its a 3.2 gpa but they really want 3.8's and regarding the other residencies also in new york , which are as low as a 2.7 based on what I can see, he said are actually focused on 3.5 +.

I was reassured that I can still move back to new york over after residency. Then we spoke about working for a hospital and basically got the response that "yeah you can work for a hospital but they wont pay you much more than 240 k", private practice is where the money is.

Am I missing something here?
Ive went through the several threads on this forum and seems like most podiatry salaries are 150-200 and anyone making over 240 k is mostly blessed. There is a small percentage of people making 400 k who work for ortho groups.
Also are GPAS that high? They ask for a 2.7 on their page but are getting 3.5 applicants.
Finally does anyone know if I would be able to transfer to NYCPM for january and restart? I dont think I can get much higher than a 3.2 here. Even if god took my tests for me a 3.5 at best.
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To me, it seems like you’re starting to freak out about your GPA and not being able to go to NY for residency. You’re only in your first year, there’s plenty of time to catch up, and even if you don’t, GPA isn’t everything. Just keep up with the pack. Remember the reason why you picked DMU, it’s a great school, unless you absolutely can’t stand the weather and become depressed then I don’t recommend transferring schools. There’s a huge range of income because as a new grad you start out low, and as you build your practice your income increases. If NY is really where you wanna go, I suggest visiting as many programs as you can so when you reach your 3rd year, you’ll know which programs you want to extern.
 
AttackNME said:
To me, it seems like you’re starting to freak out about your GPA and not being able to go to NY for residency. You’re only in your first year, there’s plenty of time to catch up, and even if you don’t, GPA isn’t everything. Just keep up with the pack. Remember the reason why you picked DMU, it’s a great school, unless you absolutely can’t stand the weather and become depressed then I don’t recommend transferring schools. There’s a huge range of income because as a new grad you start out low, and as you build your practice your income increases. If NY is really where you wanna go, I suggest visiting as many programs as you can so when you reach your 3rd year, you’ll know which programs you want to extern.
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I am mildly concerned because of what I am being told. 3.8 gpa , i mean thats like a straight A average.
And then training. What if I do need RRA, am i screwed for life?
 
2FootTallDoctor said:
I am mildly concerned because of what I am being told. 3.8 gpa , i mean thats like a straight A average.
And then training. What if I do need RRA, am i screwed for life?
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there are still plenty of positions in New York residencies that do have RRA.

As for GPA, don't worry. You don't need a 3.8 for residency. just work hard and you'll be fine
 
feetsreets said:
there are still plenty of positions in New York residencies that do have RRA.

As for GPA, don't worry. You don't need a 3.8 for residency. just work hard and you'll be fine
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Im quitting, I am starting to hate studying about every part of the body when I am going to be solely working on the lower extremity. Bye guys.
 
2FootTallDoctor said:
Im quitting, I am starting to hate studying about every part of the body when I am going to be solely working on the lower extremity. Bye guys.
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lol

You do know that the lower extremity is connected with the upper, right?
 
DexterMorganSK said:
lol

You do know that the lower extremity is connected with the upper, right?
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And on top of that pods are responsible for prescribing medications that affect the entire body... so knowledge about the body seems semi-important.. but yeah.. good luck to him haha
 
DexterMorganSK said:
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Yes god emperor DexterMorgan sir!
I trust my life with your foot doctor skills.
Your holiness is making such a difference in the world saving patients lives by selling patients shoes
You are the supreme being!
I will not feed you.
 
If you say Sanders enough times in a thread it instantly summons me.

Though, now that I'm here, I'm not really sure what's going on. So I'll take my leave.
 
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