Podiatry school

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

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Sucks for ODs 🙁

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I'd still be an OD over a Pod. Though, I'd be a Clinical Psychologist over either.

 

[darklabel]

I'd still be an OD over a Pod. Though, I'd be a Clinical Psychologist over either.

How about we all become doctors?

 

[HalfListic]

Pods make that much? Wow.

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ODs make more like 60k because a lot of them can't even get full time gigs. Most pods probably make around 130-150k on average and the vast majority who graduate can easily find jobs.

The bureau of Labor Statistics states that podiatrist me around 120K a year

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/podiatrists.htm

Just to list it again, if you are talking surgical pods, its closer to $200K+

http://work.chron.com/salary-podiatrist-reconstruction-surgeon-5105.html

 

[CapCrunch]

The bureau of Labor Statistics states that podiatrist me around 120K a year

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/podiatrists.htm

BLS is reported salary. It is notoriously low. It has the average physician salary at 166k. It lists anesthesiologist salary at roughly 230k.

MGMA, which is considered by some to be the gold standard for physician salaries, lists surgical pods at well over 200k. the APMA lists pod salaries at 196k. Somewhere in the middle is probably most accurate, I'd guess around 200.

Pod salary varies so much due to the older podiatrists with 12 month residencies, many of whom practice general podiatry. With the standardization of the 3 year surgical residency, I would expect pod salaries to increase and become more even across the board.

 

[pdiddy7405]

Oh and the very bottom of the list should be medical technologist. Right above that should be hobo

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The prefered term is medical laboratory scientist nowadays and I would totally prefer to be a hobo if it wasn't for the whole wife and kids thing...

 

[DrWily]

Oh and the very bottom of the list should be medical technologist. Right above that should be hobo

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Whats wrong with medical technologists cuz my brother-in-law's gf wants to be one

 

[pdiddy7405]

Whats wrong with medical technologists cuz my brother-in-law's gf wants to be one

There's nothing terribly wrong with it but you have to not mind dealing with every type of bodily fluid while not getting paid as much as nurses. And there's the whole getting no respect for the work that you do to provide patient care while getting yelled at by nurses and doctors who think they know how long a Flu PCR test should take. Although, you'll have a job no matter what since there is a huge shortage of med techs

 

[MedPR]

Whats wrong with medical technologists cuz my brother-in-law's gf wants to be one

I'm one. Most boring job ever, no lie. Plus many things are becoming automated and I don't see a huge need for MTs in the decades to come. There are machines that can accept a cup of stool, open the cup of stool, plate the stool onto agar plates for culture, store the plates, read the plates, interpret what's growing, setup drug susceptibilities, and write all of this down into the patient's chart. Other labs besides microbiology are already very automated.

 

[pdiddy7405]

I'm one. Most boring job ever, no lie. Plus many things are becoming automated and I don't see a huge need for MTs in the decades to come. There are machines that can accept a cup of stool, open the cup of stool, plate the stool onto agar plates for culture, store the plates, read the plates, interpret what's growing, setup drug susceptibilities, and write all of this down into the patient's chart. Other labs besides microbiology are already very automated.

Some micro automation stuff can be pretty sweet though. I got to work with a MALDI/TOF for my clinical training and it blew my mind.
If anyone is interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix-assisted_laser_desorption/ionization#Microbiology

 

[pdiddy7405]

I also hope you're as excited as me to start med school and never have to worry about QC or incubator CO2 levels ever again!

 

[NontradCA]

I also hope you're as excited as me to start med school and never have to worry about QC or incubator CO2 levels ever again!

 

[MedPR]

I also hope you're as excited as me to start med school and never have to worry about QC or incubator CO2 levels ever again!

Yesssssssssssssssssssss. Yes I am.

 

[Arijos0222]

Podiatry is a viable option for someone who is considering a Physician Alternative.

Podiatrists do the same thing as ENT's and Urologists do to their patients. They provide medicinal treatments, as well as surgical treatments.

P.A.'s probably are closer to being a Physician than a Podiatrist is. Pods and Physicians are doctors and well... PA's are not.

Who would become a PA over Pod?

Unless you have a god complex, a job is a job. Do it because you like it.

If Podiatry were a Med School specialty, and they made as much as urologists, and they had an MD, I bet podiatry would be as competitive as urology or ENT because it encompasses a lot of things that those two specialties contain.

 

[MedPR]

Podiatry is a viable option for someone who is considering a Physician Alternative.

Podiatrists do the same thing as ENT's and Urologists do to their patients. They provide medicinal treatments, as well as surgical treatments.

P.A.'s probably are closer to being a Physician than a Podiatrist is. Pods and Physicians are doctors and well... PA's are not.

Who would become a PA over Pod?

Unless you have a god complex, a job is a job. Do it because you like it.

If Podiatry were a Med School specialty, and they made as much as urologists, and they had an MD, I bet podiatry would be as competitive as urology or ENT because it encompasses a lot of things that those two specialties contain.

 

[HalfListic]

haha, yeah...

 

[darklabel]

....

If Podiatry were a Med School specialty, and they made as much as urologists, and they had an MD, I bet podiatry would be as competitive as urology or ENT because it encompasses a lot of things that those two specialties contain.

Then we could eliminate Pod school and make it into a specialty after medical school...?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Then we could eliminate Pod school and make it into a specialty after medical school...?

Effectively it could be done without any problem. Just make the residency 4 years as opposed to 3.

 

[NurWollen]

Effectively it could be done without any problem. Just make the residency 4 years as opposed to 3.

Agreed. For intents and purposes, podiatry is a specialty within medicine, comparable to ENT or Urology... why not make it officially so.

 

[NurWollen]

Podiatry is a viable option for someone who is considering a Physician Alternative.

Podiatrists do the same thing as ENT's and Urologists do to their patients. They provide medicinal treatments, as well as surgical treatments.

P.A.'s probably are closer to being a Physician than a Podiatrist is. Pods and Physicians are doctors and well... PA's are not.

Who would become a PA over Pod?

Unless you have a god complex, a job is a job. Do it because you like it.

If Podiatry were a Med School specialty, and they made as much as urologists, and they had an MD, I bet podiatry would be as competitive as urology or ENT because it encompasses a lot of things that those two specialties contain.

I agree with the bolded part.

 

[Mehd School]

Then we could eliminate Pod school and make it into a specialty after medical school...?

We are sort of already doing that.

Orthopedic surgeons can and are specializing in the foot and ankle, which can effectively rule out a DPM foot surgeon in the OR. I'm not sure how reimbursements work, but I have to assume the DO/MD orthopod would be pricier to perform your surgery than a DPM. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

But the non-surgery specific pods have a place in medicine and will continue to do so for a long time. I consider them a medical specialist, just as I consider a dentist a medical specialist, just as I consider an ENT a medical specialist. Once you outgrow the "name game" phase, I assume it can be just as rewarding a career as other physicians experience.

 

[CapCrunch]

We are sort of already doing that.

Orthopedic surgeons can and are specializing in the foot and ankle, which can effectively rule out a DPM foot surgeon in the OR. I'm not sure how reimbursements work, but I have to assume the DO/MD orthopod would be pricier to perform your surgery than a DPM. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

But the non-surgery specific pods have a place in medicine and will continue to do so for a long time. I consider them a medical specialist, just as I consider a dentist a medical specialist, just as I consider an ENT a medical specialist. Once you outgrow the "name game" phase, I assume it can be just as rewarding a career as other physicians experience.

Insurance reimbursement for a given procedure is equal regardless of degree. It has been stated many times on the pod forum that a pod receives the same reimbursement as an orthopod F/A for a given procedure.

 

[EK18]

We are sort of already doing that.

Orthopedic surgeons can and are specializing in the foot and ankle, which can effectively rule out a DPM foot surgeon in the OR.

What makes you say that? It's kind of silly to think a F/A orthopod would rule out a DPM F/A surgeon automatically. Personally, I would choose the physician who specialized in the F/A through 4 years of professional school followed by a 3 year F/A surgical residency than the orthopod who completes a 6-month to 1-year fellowship in the F/A after doing a 5-year general surgery residency. The Pod will have seen hundreds if not thousands of more F/A cases than the orthopod in that time.

From what I understand, not many Orthopods specialize in the F/A anyways because other places like knee/hip/shoulder tend to pay much better.

 

[heybrother]

What makes you say that? It's kind of silly to think a F/A orthopod would rule out a DPM F/A surgeon automatically. Personally, I would choose the physician who specialized in the F/A through 4 years of professional school followed by a 3 year F/A surgical residency than the orthopod who completes a 6-month to 1-year fellowship in the F/A after doing a 5-year general surgery residency. The Pod will have seen hundreds if not thousands of more F/A cases than the orthopod in that time.

From what I understand, not many Orthopods specialize in the F/A anyways because other places like knee/hip/shoulder tend to pay much better.

I'm loath to cross forums, but I'll say this. Pod-enthusiasts sound their worst when they squabble with and question the qualifications of ortho.

 

[EK18]

I'm loath to cross forums, but I'll say this. Pod-enthusiasts sound their worst when they squabble with and question the qualifications of ortho.

My only point was only that it is silly to think that F/A orthopods will make pods obsolete in the OR.

 

[CapCrunch]

My only point was only that it is silly to think that F/A orthopods will make pods obsolete in the OR.

Nobody will make anybody obsolete. It's a juvenile pissing match among a minority of doctors, and the majority of pre-meds. I'm a pre-med strongly considering podiatry.

 

[EK18]

Nobody will make anybody obsolete. It's a juvenile pissing match among a minority of doctors, and the majority of pre-meds. I'm a pre-med strongly considering podiatry.

Fair enough. This thread comes up every now and then and always seems to end the same way with bloated and childish arguments that lead nowhere. I felt compelled to throw in my 2 cents this time but it might have been for the wrong reasons. Best of luck to you in finding your path.

 

[MedPR]

Nobody will make anybody obsolete. It's a juvenile pissing match among a minority of doctors, and the majority of pre-meds. I'm a pre-med strongly considering podiatry.

Ortho would make pod obsolete if there were more foot orthos and if they were as cheap as Pods.

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[CapCrunch]

Ortho would make pod obsolete if there were more foot orthos and if they were as cheap as Pods.

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Which will never happen. As long as there is an increasing demand, the profession will keep moving forward.

 

[MedPR]

Which will never happen. As long as there is an increasing demand, the profession will keep moving forward.

Yup. Pods are the cheap labor for simple stuff. Ortho for the real cases with real problem.

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[se20001984]

OD is stupid..
it will only be a matter of time before they have automatic/computerized booths where u sit in there and it does all the measurements

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

OD is stupid..
it will only be a matter of time before they have automatic/computerized booths where u sit in there and it does all the measurements

Which is why they're desperately trying to legally win surgical rights, physician status, and the capability to practice outside their scope. Optometry is a field that is really feeling a crunch with more new ODs graduating than old ODs retire, leading to many working part time at walmart or etc.

 

[se20001984]

plus......


ive already created this machine! muuuuaahahahah

 

[se20001984]

and now we will be the only the profession with the letter D and O

and we will use any arrangement we want

as example...DO will be those that still wanna do osteopathic stuff

and OD will be DO that dont wnat to do osteopathic stuff

 

[MedPR]

and now we will be the only the profession with the letter D and O

and we will use any arrangement we want

as example...DO will be those that still wanna do osteopathic stuff

and OD will be DO that dont wnat to do osteopathic stuff

Nah. MDs are the DOs that don't do osteopathic stuff.

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and now we will be the only the profession with the letter D and O

and we will use any arrangement we want

as example...DO will be those that still wanna do osteopathic stuff

and OD will be DO that dont wnat to do osteopathic stuff

 

[Mehd School]

What makes you say that? It's kind of silly to think a F/A orthopod would rule out a DPM F/A surgeon automatically. Personally, I would choose the physician who specialized in the F/A through 4 years of professional school followed by a 3 year F/A surgical residency than the orthopod who completes a 6-month to 1-year fellowship in the F/A after doing a 5-year general surgery residency. The Pod will have seen hundreds if not thousands of more F/A cases than the orthopod in that time.

From what I understand, not many Orthopods specialize in the F/A anyways because other places like knee/hip/shoulder tend to pay much better.

For what it's worth, I don't want pods to be phased out. To tell you the truth, I really don't care about the matter.

And of course you'd choose to see a pod, you're a bit biased in that area the same way I'm biased and would like to see a physician. Knowing who got the better training between the MD/DO and DPM in terms of foot and ankle surgery is something none of us here can answer objectively.

And it is my understanding (from two orthopods I shadowed) that F/A specialization is on the rise for MD/DO's due to increased demand. I don't really know anything more on the matter.

 

[HalfListic]

OD is stupid..
it will only be a matter of time before they have automatic/computerized booths where u sit in there and it does all the measurements

...a slippery slope:

http://gigaom.com/2013/02/11/researchers-say-ai-prescribes-better-treatment-than-doctors/

😉

 

[Skeeks]

I had a Pod once tell me that Pod school is one of the best kept secretes in medicine. They average around, if not more than a FM physician does and their school is a often much less than medical school. Plus their residency is pretty short in comparison so not only are they graduating with less debt, they are practicing quicker. Financially its a great deal. I'd never do it, but anytime I hear people say they want to go into medicine for the money I tell them to go DPM

 

[Ferocity]

This thread summarizes things well.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=984088

 

[pre med 2014]

I think it would be safer to do Podiatry as back up to MD over the Caribbean if you are debt averse


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[Skeeks]

Unless you really hate feet. I have a brother-in-law that went to Saba U in the carribean and he is doing fine at about 300k a year in FM. I know he is an outlier, but hey if you are that dedicated than so be it.

 

[TriagePreMed]

Unless you really hate feet. I have a brother-in-law that went to Saba U in the carribean and he is doing fine at about 300k a year in FM. I know he is an outlier, but hey if you are that dedicated than so be it.

And someone here mentioned a podiatrist making 500k a year and never had to be in the caribbean. The point was not made for an individual.

 

[Skeeks]

Point taken.

I just didnt want to turn this into an anti-carribean thread thats all. Although I agree its less risky to go to Pod school. Just always follow your heart thats my plug 🙂

 

[CapCrunch]

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