Podiatry school

[DrWily]

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I'm not trying to say anything, but my DO class takes certain classes with the POD students (Biochem, Anatomy, histology I think). They post the histogram of the grade curve and there's always like 2 dudes down at the 55-60% range. Just sayin.

POD ain't exactly a walk in the park.

 

[MedPR]

I guess I don't know either. I'm just saying its not that difficult. When you are in any kind of professional school, you control your own destiny. If you do well enough while you're there, you will be successful. It's all up to you.

Definitely. I might have missed it, but I didn't see anyone disputing that.

 

[darklabel]

I heard that it isn't really that hard to get a podiatry residency. Just don't be in the bottom 25% of your class and you're good.

While you have a 3/4 shot at not being at the bottom, man thats a pretty crappy match.

MDs had a terrible class if they even get 5 - 8% that don't match and even DOs don't have unmatched percentages above 10%. Even with the residency crunch, I doubt we'll see those kind of numbers go unmatched for DOs.

 

[Columbia09]

Well yeah, MD/DO is probably the only career in the universe that guarantees you a job once you get accepted into the school. For everything else, you will still become successful as long as you put in the work while in school.

I think this is true because think about it. Have you ever met a M.D, D.O, D.P.M, etc who was unemployed?

 

[GypsyHummus]

I think this is true because think about it. Have you ever met a M.D, D.O, D.P.M, etc who was unemployed?

Ive met a DPM who didnt get a residency.

 

[Mehd School]

Have you ever met a ... D.P.M, etc who was unemployed?

Yes.

Also, the attrition rates and residency placement for Pod Schools can range from bad to horrible.

It's still a viable back up for me. I figure if I went 3-4 cycles without an MD or DO acceptance, I'd probably look DPM. I've shadowed a Podiatrist Surgeon. While a good number of his cases were ingrown toenails, there were also a good number of musculoskeletal procedures that would keep me content. The pay can be pretty good as well.

 

[as1212559]

donotlikefeet/10. OP negged. Please lock.

 

[MedPR]

I think this is true because think about it. Have you ever met a M.D, D.O, D.P.M, etc who was unemployed?

Just because you've never met one doesn't mean they don't exist. I've never met an unemployed lawyer, or an unemployed school teacher, or an unemployed biology major either.

 

[Skeeks]

Just because you've never met one doesn't mean they don't exist. I've never met an unemployed lawyer, or an unemployed school teacher, or an unemployed biology major either.

MedPR I promise I am not trolling you but from reading this I couldn't help posting this:

Yes, a single exception disproves the absolute statement ... I assumed it was commonly understood that most statements are meant to describe the majority.

 

[MedPR]

MedPR I promise I am not trolling you but from reading this I couldn't help posting this:

I don't follow. Those quotes are not contradictory.

One is saying that things can exist even if you don't know about them.
The other is saying that absolute statements are disproven by a single example. This one was in the context of explaining that in most cases "absolute" statements are used to describe the majority of cases. To say "most of the time" everytime you say something is pointless when people understand that absolutes typically mean "most of the time".

 

[Columbia09]

Just because you've never met one doesn't mean they don't exist. I've never met an unemployed lawyer, or an unemployed school teacher, or an unemployed biology major either.

Very true but they're probably only a small part of the population. So the odds are in our favor. I'm sure there are M.Ds out there who didn't get residencies as well as D.Os.

 

[Skeeks]

I don't follow. Those quotes are not contradictory.

One is saying that things can exist even if you don't know about them.
The other is saying that absolute statements are disproven by a single example. This one was in the context of explaining that in most cases "absolute" statements are used to describe the majority of cases. To say "most of the time" everytime you say something is pointless when people understand that absolutes typically mean "most of the time".

No need to get defensive. I was just pointing out that you were playing the devil's advocate saying its possible to be jobless as a physician when you yourself said that examples that are in the miniscule minority should be ommitted in conversations in light of the true meaning behind them. I dont think that is contradictory. Perhaps I read your previous statement differently than you intended. I apologize.

 

[Skeeks]

Very true but they're probably only a small part of the population. So the odds are in our favor. I'm sure there are M.Ds out there who didn't get residencies as well as D.Os.

This was what my quote was meant to illustrate in your own words MedPR.

 

[MedPR]

Very true but they're probably only a small part of the population. So the odds are in our favor. I'm sure there are M.Ds out there who didn't get residencies as well as D.Os.

I agree with your point. I was just disagreeing with your method of proving that point. As in, yes there are very few unemployed MDs/DOs/DPMs, but not being able to pick out out of your social circle doesn't alone justify such a statement.

No need to get defensive. I was just pointing out that you were playing the devil's advocate saying its possible to be jobless as a physician when you yourself said that examples that are in the miniscule minority should be ommitted in conversations in light of the true meaning behind them. I dont think that is contradictory. Perhaps your previous statement came off differently than you intended. I apologize.

Not being defensive. Just explaining what I meant as I obviously wasn't clear the first time.

 

[gmcguitar4]

I know a friend of a friend who graduated 2 years ago from a mid-tier MD program and still doesnt have a residency. He basically has to pay to work at a hospital to cover insurance so he can be somewhat competitive for residency spot. Could you imagine going through 4 years of med school and accumulating that debt with the possibility of not using the degree? He was pretty stupid about it though.

 

[as1212559]

I know a friend of a friend who graduated 2 years ago from a mid-tier MD program and still doesnt have a residency. He basically has to pay to work at a hospital to cover insurance so he can be somewhat competitive for residency spot. Could you imagine going through 4 years of med school and accumulating that debt with the possibility of not using the degree? He was pretty stupid about it though.

This sounds like a case of someone being unrealistic in their attempts to match. Either ranking only programs he was uncompetitive for or ranking a very small amount of programs each year.

Assuming he passed boards and had a drop or two of humility he could probably match FM somewhere or even scramble successfully would you think? That's user error in my opinion, not an issue with the degree leading to unemployment.

 

[Columbia09]

This sounds like a case of someone being unrealistic in their attempts to match. Either ranking only programs he was uncompetitive for or ranking a very small amount of programs each year.

Assuming he passed boards and had a drop or two of humility he could probably match FM somewhere or even scramble successfully would you think? That's user error in my opinion, not an issue with the degree leading to unemployment.

Yea. I still find it hard to believe that a person could get into med school, get an M.D, D.O, D.P.M etc and not have a job with over 100,000 in debt. It happens apparently and it's a sad story. But it is probably user error like you said.

 

[NurWollen]

Just because you've never met one doesn't mean they don't exist. I've never met an unemployed lawyer, or an unemployed school teacher, or an unemployed biology major either.

I have personally been an unemployed biology major lol.

 

[NurWollen]

This sounds like a case of someone being unrealistic in their attempts to match. Either ranking only programs he was uncompetitive for or ranking a very small amount of programs each year.

Assuming he passed boards and had a drop or two of humility he could probably match FM somewhere or even scramble successfully would you think? That's user error in my opinion, not an issue with the degree leading to unemployment.

Happens all the time with med school admissions, too. You know, that guy who has reasonably competitive stats, like a 3.5 and a 30, who applies only to Harvard and to his neighboring state's state school that his cousin's friend went to (even though said school takes ~3% OOS.). He then wonders why he didn't get in and debates going to the Caribbean or giving up altogether.

 

[HalfListic]

I think this is true because think about it. Have you ever met a M.D, D.O, D.P.M, etc who was unemployed?

MD or DO, no. If a Physician doesnt have a job, they have been fired or have retired or wont move some reason. Its a choice.



DPM, sure...they are not as high in demand. They can be unemployed.

 

[TriagePreMed]

This sounds like a case of someone being unrealistic in their attempts to match. Either ranking only programs he was uncompetitive for or ranking a very small amount of programs each year.

Assuming he passed boards and had a drop or two of humility he could probably match FM somewhere or even scramble successfully would you think? That's user error in my opinion, not an issue with the degree leading to unemployment.

If you graduated from a mid-tier MD and don't get at least a transitional year, it's entirely your fault. That person has to either have a major or flag or be completely unrealistic (as you say). If he's really spent 2 years off since graduation, he might as well done FM or IM and then tried to match into whatever other specialty he's trying.

Happens all the time with med school admissions, too. You know, that guy who has reasonably competitive stats, like a 3.5 and a 30, who applies only to Harvard and to his neighboring state's state school that his cousin's friend went to (even though said school takes ~3% OOS.). He then wonders why he didn't get in and debates going to the Caribbean or giving up altogether.

My friend is this story. She graduated from Berkeley with 3 publications and all that. She applied only to California campuses and was ultimately interviewed at 3 and put on waitlist. Did she bother to reapply and go OOS? Nope. She went out of the United States and is now at Ross so she wouldn't lose a year.

 

[GopherMD]

If you graduated from a mid-tier MD and don't get at least a transitional year, it's entirely your fault. That person has to either have a major or flag or be completely unrealistic (as you say). If he's really spent 2 years off since graduation, he might as well done FM or IM and then tried to match into whatever other specialty he's trying.


My friend is this story. She graduated from Berkeley with 3 publications and all that. She applied only to California campuses and was ultimately interviewed at 3 and put on waitlist. Did she bother to reapply and go OOS? Nope. She went out of the United States and is now at Ross so she wouldn't lose a year.

Yeah...but she will have a kick-ass tan!

 

[Columbia09]

MD or DO, no. If a Physician doesnt have a job, they have been fired or have retired or wont move some reason. Its a choice.



DPM, sure...they are not as high in demand. They can be unemployed.

Almost everyone has feet so the demand is that that low. But yes anyone can be unemployed

 

[TriagePreMed]

Almost everyone has feet so the demand is that that low. But yes anyone can be unemployed

 

[DrWily]

Dafuq is this thread even about anymore?

Retake MCAT/Classes until you can get into D.O. school.

If you can't break ~23ish on the MCAT, consider PA/RN/POD school. If you have a foot fetish, go to POD school.

D.O. school is Plan B for the majority of medical students. POD school is like Plan D, but really, cmon. A little effort and you can get into D.O. school.

 

[113]

Dafuq is this thread even about anymore?

Retake MCAT/Classes until you can get into D.O. school.

If you can't break ~23ish on the MCAT, consider PA/RN/POD school. If you have a foot fetish, go to POD school.

D.O. school is Plan B for the majority of medical students. POD school is like Plan D, but really, cmon. A little effort and you can get into D.O. school.

I like this line of thinking. Let's make an official SDN degree ranking list:

Plan A: MD
Plan B: Janitor
Plan C: DO
Plan D: Podiatry
Plan E: PA? NP? Optometry? Pharmacy? Physical therapy?

 

[Ost3oclast]

I like this line of thinking. Let's make an official SDN degree ranking list:

Plan A: MD
Plan B: Janitor
Plan C: DO
Plan D: Podiatry
Plan E: PA? NP? Optometry? Pharmacy? Physical therapy?

Perfect

 

[HalfListic]

Don't underestimate podiatry. In 7 years when the baby boomers retire there will be sh*tloads of jobs for new graduates. Isn't the residency placement rate like 90% each year right now for them? And pretty much everyone who finishes residency will get a job if they don't completely screw up.

Don't get me wrong, I actually considered Podiatry for quite a while. I saw it as an alternate career path, like dentistry, rather than a plan B, personally. It sure is a faster paycheck compared to surgery.

Also, the business of Podiatry is a lot different than medicine, which is appealing to many. It wasn't to me, but thats just my opinion.

I was only comparing the slightly greater likelihood of being unemployed as a Pod vs the 0% chance when you are a physician. The present and future is bright for pods.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Dafuq is this thread even about anymore?


D.O. school is Plan B for the majority of medical students. POD school is like Plan D, but really, cmon. A little effort and you can get into D.O. school.

Honestly, this part here. 26 MCAT, at the very least a 3.3, and some volunteering.

How hard is it to get a 26 or 27 MCAT?

 

[CapCrunch]

off-topic, but why is MedPR listed as pre-podiatry?

 

[113]

off-topic, but why is MedPR listed as pre-podiatry?

Because of reasons.

 

[MedPR]

I like this line of thinking. Let's make an official SDN degree ranking list:

Plan A: MD
Plan B: Janitor
Plan C: DO
Plan D: Podiatry
Plan E: PA? NP? Optometry? Pharmacy? Physical therapy?

Plan E all sound better than plan D.

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[MedPR]

off-topic, but why is MedPR listed as pre-podiatry?

All my acceptances got rescinded and I'm banned from AMCAS and AACOMAS.

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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Honestly, this part here. 26 MCAT, at the very least a 3.3, and some volunteering.

How hard is it to get a 26 or 27 MCAT?

Not too hard. Maybe a month of half ass studying. Getting into a DO school is not difficult. Though an stronger DO school is more difficult.

 

[MedPR]

Not too hard. Maybe a month of half ass studying. Getting into a DO school is not difficult. Though an stronger DO school is more difficult.

This. Took me 4 weeks of skimming EK to get a 28.

Even if you suck at VR (which I think is impossible to significantly improve your score in) you can get a 6 and two 10s.
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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Plan E all sound better than plan D.

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I'd much rather be an optometrist than a Pod.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

This. Took me 4 weeks of skimming EK to get a 28.

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Should have done that instead of Kaplan woo... -.- then I wouldn't be retaking.
Woo for needing to do better in PS. Sign...

 

[MedPR]

I'd much rather be an optometrist than a Pod.

Yea pod has never been an interest of mine. Two cycles ago when I had a 2.8/28 I probably could've just gone to pod school.

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[113]

Plan E all sound better than plan D.

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The inaugural 2013 Degree Ranking list is open for discussion. I didn't even include McDonald's fry cook. That would obviously be competitively ranked.

 

[MedPR]

The inaugural 2013 Degree Ranking list is open for discussion. I didn't even include McDonald's fry cook. That would obviously be competitively ranked.

Plan A should be marry rich and become professional insert your favorite hobby.

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[MedPR]

Oh and the very bottom of the list should be medical technologist. Right above that should be hobo

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[Columbia09]

...

 

[Columbia09]

So how's everybody's day been?

 

[Skeeks]

I'd much rather be an optometrist than a Pod.

Optometrists make about half as much as Pods do. Not that money is everything.

Honestly if I wasn't doing medicine I'd go into the Air Force and try to become an astronaut... no seriously though, its always been a dream of mine I have always loved space.

 

[Columbia09]

Optometrists make about half as much as Pods do. Not that money is everything.

Honestly if I wasn't doing medicine I'd go into the Air Force and try to become an astronaut... no seriously though, its always been a dream of mine I have always loved space.

I wanted to be a paleontologist 🙁

This might be a stupid question but you can apply to D.O and pod school during the same cycle correct? Has anyone had any experience with that?

 

[MedPR]

Optometrists make about half as much as Pods do. Not that money is everything.

Honestly if I wasn't doing medicine I'd go into the Air Force and try to become an astronaut... no seriously though, its always been a dream of mine I have always loved space.

For real? I thought ODs made about 100k.

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[CapCrunch]

For real? I thought ODs made about 100k.

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Which is roughly 60% of what pods make.

 

[MedPR]

Which is roughly 60% of what pods make.

Pods make that much? Wow.

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[GypsyHummus]

Pods make that much? Wow.

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The bureau of Labor Statistics states that podiatrist me around 120K a year

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/podiatrists.htm

 

[MedPR]

ODs make more like 60k because a lot of them can't even get full time gigs. Most pods probably make around 130-150k on average and the vast majority who graduate can easily find jobs.

Sucks for ODs 🙁

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