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So I have been looking on the boards and there are plenty of 'negatives of Optometry' posts, but hardly any positives of optometry.

please tell me some positives about optometry...without overexagerating..
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So I have been looking on the boards and there are plenty of 'negatives of Optometry' posts, but hardly any positives of optometry.

please tell me some positives about optometry...without overexagerating..
🙂

Here are the positives for me...

I make good money helping people see better. There is very little blood and guts. There is very little death. When there IS blood and guts or death, it's almost never because of something that I did or didn't do.

I own my own practice. I call my own shots with respect to hours, staff, product, how I practice etc. etc. If I want to paint the walls with purple polka dots, I can. If I decide I want to take Tuesday mornings off to play 18 holes, I can. (In fact, I just did! 👍)
 
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If I decide I want to take Tuesday mornings off to play 18 holes, I can. (In fact, I just did! 👍)

Awesome. So when patients tried to make an appointment with you on Tuesday morning, did your receptionist just say something to the effect of "Dr. Elder is unavailable at that time?"
 
Awesome. So when patients tried to make an appointment with you on Tuesday morning, did your receptionist just say something to the effect of "Dr. Elder is unavailable at that time?"

That's what your practice partner/newly graduated-OD is for! Golf-on!
 
If I could give the original poster here a hug, I would....SDN paints a very negative picture of every profession it has set a forum up for (holy cow, go look at the vet or podiatry forum....pathetic), so it has become a very poor source of information for interested parties....so I thank you for allowing something positive for once. Well, here goes my positives:

1) With the advances made, there is a lot more variant places for an OD to put their craft to good use. I am only 40, but I have worked in a VA, a teaching hospital, a homeless shelter (still do that one), an OMD co-op, and now several years completely privately. Anytime you hear someone say "optometry is this", that is a give that they are ignorant. This profession is a lot of different things to different people, and I like that.

2) If you are willing to put up the money and take the risks, there is an opportunity for a lot of autonomy in this business...as KHE said, as a private practitioner I can setup and plan 100% of my schedule. I very commonly take Fridays off completely, and took 5 weeks off over the holiday season to take the family to Australia and NZ....and while it is true that my business makes no money without a doctor here, there is no stipulation that this doctor be ME! I have planned it this way, such that my new hires can build up a patient base of their own. I generally keep a patient with one particular doc (another thing people prefer to the local lens mills), and this keep my doctor morale high as well....plus gives me time to vacation. For most other fields, you must either retire or take a massive salary cut to achieve this kind of flexibility.

3) By far and away, nothing even coming close, the best thing about optometry is the satisfaction in the work. As most studies will tell you, OD's satisfy a larger percentage of their patients than most other docs. I basically spend my days (like this one for example, nice 90 min lunch!) helping people see better, and that is a very valuable thing. I have caught 8 brain tumors in my career, caught countless cases of proliferative diabetic retinopathy that had previously been unseen (for non-docs, this is a disease that blinds a good portion of those that develop it), caught neovasc glaucoma....the list goes on. The fact remains that for all of people's stupid garbage about this profession, there are people that are walking around New Hampshire, NY, and elsewhere that would be blind or severely debilitated if it were not for something I did. If that is not a positive, I don't know what is. Others can do or say whatever they want, but that gets me up in the morning.

I hope this helps....in case you didn't notice, I enjoy what I do. If you don't feel the same way, no one is holding a gun to your head. Tired of the pointless complaining....love your life and get on with it:banana:
 
If I could give the original poster here a hug, I would....SDN paints a very negative picture of every profession it has set a forum up for (holy cow, go look at the vet or podiatry forum....pathetic)

So true but I am glad to see some of the realistic negatives so I have a better idea of what I'm getting myself into.
 
Yes, I have 3 positive things to say about Optometry.

1) The oversaturation isn't as bad as other professions. You only have to move a couple of thousand miles from your hometown to find a good paying job!

2) Coporate optometry like walmart lets you earn more than just the private practitioner. The best part about working for corporate is that you can get your grocery, auto-checkup, and blood-pressure done all at the same time! Oh did I mention, you get to see 50 personable patients per day!

c) Managed care works for you, not against optometry as many wise people believe! Ah, who would have thought that insurance companies, would pay professionals a premium for their services!

d) The AOA, unlike other professional associations, is indeed working for optometrists! So, when your doubting your $3000 yearly contribution, don't! It is obvious, that money gets put to good use, like new optometry schools!


Isn't Optometry just wonderful! I'll just leave it at that, but I am sure there are many more "positives" about Optometry!
 
Yes, I have 3 positive things to say about Optometry.

1) The oversaturation isn't as bad as other professions. You only have to move a couple of thousand miles from your hometown to find a good paying job!

2) Coporate optometry like walmart lets you earn more than just the private practitioner. The best part about working for corporate is that you can get your grocery, auto-checkup, and blood-pressure done all at the same time! Oh did I mention, you get to see 50 personable patients per day!

c) Managed care works for you, not against optometry as many wise people believe! Ah, who would have thought that insurance companies, would pay professionals a premium for their services!

d) The AOA, unlike other professional associations, is indeed working for optometrists! So, when your doubting your $3000 yearly contribution, don't! It is obvious, that money gets put to good use, like new optometry schools!


Isn't Optometry just wonderful! I'll just leave it at that, but I am sure there are many more "positives" about Optometry!

You really need a hobby.
 
thanks Socal for further establishing your village idiot credentials. I am sure the established doctors in this thread highly value your C student op school reject opinion. Go work on your 2.5 GPA, perhaps get into a school sometimes, magically grow less ignorant, and then come back.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=722251

sorry, but when you do that ^^^, your opinion becomes irrelevant. Thanks.
 
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:laugh: you know? Socal makes me laugh. He/she just never quits...

I wonder what happened to him/her that makes optometry so miserable for him/her.
 
Do we have a mod here who can ban this idiot (socal, obviously)?
 
Ummm... did anyone else notice that SoCal's list of "3 positive things" is actually 4 things? Funny stuff!
 
If I could give the original poster here a hug, I would....SDN paints a very negative picture of every profession it has set a forum up for (holy cow, go look at the vet or podiatry forum....pathetic), so it has become a very poor source of information for interested parties....so I thank you for allowing something positive for once. Well, here goes my positives:

1) With the advances made, there is a lot more variant places for an OD to put their craft to good use. I am only 40, but I have worked in a VA, a teaching hospital, a homeless shelter (still do that one), an OMD co-op, and now several years completely privately. Anytime you hear someone say "optometry is this", that is a give that they are ignorant. This profession is a lot of different things to different people, and I like that.

2) If you are willing to put up the money and take the risks, there is an opportunity for a lot of autonomy in this business...as KHE said, as a private practitioner I can setup and plan 100% of my schedule. I very commonly take Fridays off completely, and took 5 weeks off over the holiday season to take the family to Australia and NZ....and while it is true that my business makes no money without a doctor here, there is no stipulation that this doctor be ME! I have planned it this way, such that my new hires can build up a patient base of their own. I generally keep a patient with one particular doc (another thing people prefer to the local lens mills), and this keep my doctor morale high as well....plus gives me time to vacation. For most other fields, you must either retire or take a massive salary cut to achieve this kind of flexibility.

3) By far and away, nothing even coming close, the best thing about optometry is the satisfaction in the work. As most studies will tell you, OD's satisfy a larger percentage of their patients than most other docs. I basically spend my days (like this one for example, nice 90 min lunch!) helping people see better, and that is a very valuable thing. I have caught 8 brain tumors in my career, caught countless cases of proliferative diabetic retinopathy that had previously been unseen (for non-docs, this is a disease that blinds a good portion of those that develop it), caught neovasc glaucoma....the list goes on. The fact remains that for all of people's stupid garbage about this profession, there are people that are walking around New Hampshire, NY, and elsewhere that would be blind or severely debilitated if it were not for something I did. If that is not a positive, I don't know what is. Others can do or say whatever they want, but that gets me up in the morning.

I hope this helps....in case you didn't notice, I enjoy what I do. If you don't feel the same way, no one is holding a gun to your head. Tired of the pointless complaining....love your life and get on with it:banana:

Thanks for your post Dilligaf! I, like you, am VERY pleased with my choice to be an optometrist. I am sure that your patients can tell you love your job and it is one of the reasons they continue to send you more of their friends, co-workers and family members.

One other positive I will add is that I truly enjoy the relationships that you build over the years. You can learn a lot from your patients and you can pass on that knowledge to other patients. It is not always about "which is better, one or two". Many of my patients have become friends and vice-versa.

I have learned about amazing places to vacation, great eateries and fun ways to travel. I have made connections with people that have enriched my and my family's life.

Optometry is a profession that pays you back what you put into it. If you do the minimum, you will most likely get that back. If you invest in yourself, your practice and your patients' satisfaction and health, you will do very well for yourself.

As for SoCal, I have tried responding to you before. I think I will just agree that your time is better spent on other things than this board.
 
I'll echo what the other OD's posted so far.
I still love going to work every day. I was accepted into med school as well and lifestyle issues are what made me pursue optometry instead.

I'll mention a few of the factors that stand out for me as well:
  • I love the huge variety of every day. Ages 2-95. Pathology, contacts, routine, emergency. I see it every day. Rarely boring.
  • I love problem-solving. It seems like the good OD's I know are great puzzle-solvers. Vague symptoms get narrowed down with a game of "20 questions" and some fun technology. Every day I'm an engineer, psychiatrist, and entreprenuer.
  • I love the business side. Most medical careers are spent as the employee of another entity. I dictate every aspect of my job; when and how much I work, what insurance I take, etc. I've never missed a soccer game or school play-few MD's can claim this.
  • $$$! Owning a private practice with several employed OD's working for me lets me live comfortably, travel the world, & spend 2 weeks each year on medical mission trips.
  • Security. Can't be fired. Junior associates assure I'll have a buyer for my practice when I retire.
My only beef with the profession is the multiple factors that will make it very difficult for today's new grads to acheive what I have.
*I hope it hasn't gone unnoticed that most of the truly satisfied docs are in private practice & a lot of the positives listed may only occur in that setting.
 
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I was accepted into med school as well and lifestyle issues are what made me pursue optometry instead.

I'll mention a few of the factors that stand out for me as well:
  • I love the huge variety of every day. Ages 2-95. Pathology, contacts, routine, emergency. I see it every day. Rarely boring.
It is so true. I work for a vitreo-retina specialist (OMD) and the only patients that walk into the office are age 40+ Even 40-65 is rare. Most of the patients are 65+ because of AMD. I want age diversity when I practice.

Also many optometry students could have gone to medical school but chose not to for the reasons you mentioned. I got a 27 on a practice MCAT without studying at all and I figure why not be the one of the best at something instead of being mediocre at another profession. But hey, everyone's situation is different so it's a personal choice.
 
Do we have a mod here who can ban this idiot (socal, obviously)?

yea can't figure this kid out..a real cybernut..a year ago he was worried about getting into Optometry school because he had to retake some classes..now he knows everything about the profession and thinks poorly of it..buyers remorse I guess 😕
 
It is amusing to see how gullible people are.

Lets face it folks, my facts are not arguable, hence the constant chatter about "my" previous posts.

Someone tell me I am wrong, please?
 
It is amusing to see how gullible people are.

Lets face it folks, my facts are not arguable, hence the constant chatter about "my" previous posts.

Someone tell me I am wrong, please?

Wrong? Many times. A-s-s-h-o-l-e? All the time
 
It is amusing to see how gullible people are.

Lets face it folks, my facts are not arguable, hence the constant chatter about "my" previous posts.

Someone tell me I am wrong, please?

Let's make a deal: we'll discuss the "merits" of your arguments if you tell us your employment/academic status. Are you an opto student? Pre-optometry and failed to get in? Working in an OD office? We're deeply curious. 😉
 
Let's make a deal: we'll discuss the "merits" of your arguments if you tell us your employment/academic status. Are you an opto student? Pre-optometry and failed to get in? Working in an OD office? We're deeply curious. 😉

Lol he/she will not divulge that info. Its the only little trinket of ego he/she has left. Socal I'm going to refer to you as "it" (the troll) from now on ok?
 
It is amusing to see how gullible people are.

Lets face it folks, my facts are not arguable, hence the constant chatter about "my" previous posts.

Someone tell me I am wrong, please?

Lol he/she will not divulge that info. Its the only little trinket of ego he/she has left. Socal I'm going to refer to you as "it" (the troll) from now on ok?

I know, just trying to see if we can make him/her budge. I'm about 98% sure that socal is a failure and just projecting his/her insecurities. But I want to hear it straight from the horse's mouth!
 
Why do you guys even acknowledge socal2014? I placed them on my ignore list a little while ago.

To the OP: For what it's worth, I am deciding to pursue a career in Optometry because I wanted to go into healthcare but I wanted to focus on one area of the body. It will allow me to live comfortably and patient interaction was a huge plus for me. I thought about Ophthalmology but there would be no guarantee going into med school I would come out an Ophthalmologist. Sure this profession has its fair share of problems but which one doesn't?
 
I'm still in school so I have no practical experience, but what I'm expecting is a challenging career in private practice optometry. I expect to get a job through networking early and some applying. I would like to open a practice to have full control of my career as well as reach my full earning potential. I do not think my prospects for obtaining a job are good if I just wait until I graduate and start sending off applications, especially not in a saturated area. From what I have heard from upperclassmen that have graduated, I should realistically expect somewhere around 80k to start but that may vary with the environment and bonuses. There are no guarantees but I hope that being proactive about learning about real-world optometry and practice management will put me in a better position to obtain a job.

In other words, I don't expect to land a 120k job, 2 blocks from home and a fancy bmw to haul my ass around in. Optometry has many ongoing problems but it is not unlike any other career.

I sincerely believe it is still worth it for me to go through 200k+ of debt and four years of intense schooling, but only with a long term career in private practice, saving, and wise investments. Don't lie to yourself and say that seeing patients makes it worth it; optometry school is a big time and money commitment and making sure it is financially wise for you is essential to ensure a happy career.

[On a side note, socal2014 might be working to our collective advantage. Those who can't see past the negatives of optometry are discouraged from applying. I'm not making the case for increasing underqualified matriculations. I'm just pointing out the link between applications received and the motivating factors for new schools. Could the openings be, at least in part, spurred by the increases in both "demand for optometrists" and demand for OD program seats?]
 
There are numerous aspects that I enjoy about the profession.

1) I enjoy working with little children, and helping with early visual problems. There is nothing more rewarding than seeing that smile, that makes the day better. I prefer to work with younger individuals but I see every age group. The 65+ year old crowd is pretty slim in my practice since I don't accept Medicare. Medicaid pays pretty well in my state (better than Eyemed, Davis by a factor of 2).

2) I don't have to work 2nd or 3rd shift for my employment hours. I practice usually 9-5pm Monday, and 9-6pm Tues.-Thursday. Usually am booked about one week in advance. I do not pre-book people for in one year or six months, unless medically indicated. This is a good-bad scenario, since it's nice to have my wife say let's go to California in two months, for a one week vacation. Then I don't have to shuffle a ton of appointment around.

3) The income affords one with a lot of options. I'm coming up on my 5 yr anniversary of practice, and almost have eliminated all debt except my student loans (two cars and house completely paid off by Dec 2011). Then I will start adding an associate doc so i can work 4 1/2 or 5 days/week instead of 6.

I wish there were no vision insurance plans though.
 
So you don't work weekends anymore? I remember on a previous posting you told me you never thought you'd have to work weekends to support a family. Good deal, this post made me smile.
There are numerous aspects that I enjoy about the profession.

1) I enjoy working with little children, and helping with early visual problems. There is nothing more rewarding than seeing that smile, that makes the day better. I prefer to work with younger individuals but I see every age group. The 65+ year old crowd is pretty slim in my practice since I don't accept Medicare. Medicaid pays pretty well in my state (better than Eyemed, Davis by a factor of 2).

2) I don't have to work 2nd or 3rd shift for my employment hours. I practice usually 9-5pm Monday, and 9-6pm Tues.-Thursday. Usually am booked about one week in advance. I do not pre-book people for in one year or six months, unless medically indicated. This is a good-bad scenario, since it's nice to have my wife say let's go to California in two months, for a one week vacation. Then I don't have to shuffle a ton of appointment around.

3) The income affords one with a lot of options. I'm coming up on my 5 yr anniversary of practice, and almost have eliminated all debt except my student loans (two cars and house completely paid off by Dec 2011). Then I will start adding an associate doc so i can work 4 1/2 or 5 days/week instead of 6.

I wish there were no vision insurance plans though.
 
So you don't work weekends anymore? I remember on a previous posting you told me you never thought you'd have to work weekends to support a family. Good deal, this post made me smile.

I still work Saturdays 9am to 4pm. Hopefully when I start to hire another doctor I'll be able to start taking saturday's off. I think it will help stress and attitude by being able to see and play with my kids every Saturday morning. I'll probably still fill in if an associate doc wants a saturday off.
 
Congrats on all of those who love their profession! Can I ask how feasible being in your current position is to do starting out in 2015? And in NY? CA? thanks!
 
You wouldn't know it from my posts......but I'm a very positive person overall.

The postive of optometry is you CAN help people AND make very good money at it. (But the first point is lost on 90% of your patients).

But only if you play your cards right.

1. You have to have little to no undergraduate debt.
2. Go to the cheapest optometry school you can find--(become a state resident if you must).
3. Don't waste your time doing a pseudo-residency.
4. Immediately open a practice right out of school or purchase a good one if you can find one that the owner is not trying to charge a rediculous amount. Write up a competent business plan and take it to a few bankers.
5. Learn as soon as possible how to bill medically AND DO IT.
6. Hope and pray you have a competent spouse who will handle the office for you while you 'do your thing'.
7. Hope said spouse doesn't divorce you and ruin all you worked for previously.
8. Hit the road running with your new practice and try to get as many referral sources as possible (family docs, PAs, nurses, schools, nursing homes, etc.......you'll need everyone you get plus their brothers and sisters).

And now we are getting to the important stuff:
9. Don't go out and buy a new BMW or Lexus. If you must have one for image, get a used one that you can pay off in a few years.
10. Buy a modest house.
11. Immediate start a Roth or other IRA.
12. Work to pay off your school loans as quickly as possible (hopefully you followed the eariler advice and didn't rack up too much).
13. As soon as possilbe, purchase the real estate your practice is located in.
14. Don't think you can lose money on every patient but make it up in volume (ie. don't accept crap vision plans). That's a mathematical impossiblity but it's what the crappy insurance companys will tell you will happen.
15. Work like a dog getting patients because unlike some professions, we have to find the patients.......they don't find us. I mean things like work outside your office (alot), working in smelly nursing homes, find a space-share with a family doc or similar, contract to do exams in a prison, teach a class at a community college, visit every provider in your area, visit OMDs so they know who you are, etc......

THIS is what it takes.............along with a few hundred thousand dollars, very thick skin and maybe 10 years AFTER graduation.

The GOOD NEWS. You CAN make enough money to pay off your school loans, pay off your home, have nice cars, vacation and live better than most people.

THE BAD NEWS: 90+% of graduating optometrist WON'T DO ALL THIS.

Here's what most will do:
-Take out whatever loans the school will give them. They know best, after all.

-Graduate owing $200,000. Say, "oh shi_t" when the first bill comes after graduation. As soon as you graduate, I mean after mommy and daddy or MasterCard pays for your graduation trip to Hawaii, you will be working at some ODs office (for $150/day) under his license waiting for yours to come in the mail so you'll be "official". You get tired of 'working for the man' making peanuts so...............

You will remember The Walmart rep that came to your school mentioning how you can "have your own practice and make six figures with no risk". Hey, you've got bills to pay. Why not don the blue vest and sock away a little money 'until your ready to open your own place?

You'll stay there 2 years, all the while hiding the fact that you work at a discount warehouse, seldom mentioning it to friends and only to colleages if they ask you specifically. You get used to the nasty customers trying to bring their shopping carts into your 10x10 sq ft "office". You learn to accept the wink-wink "suggestions" (ie. demands) from your optical manager, who the month before was working at the local hog slaughter factory. But whatever,.... the money is good and you get a Walmart discount so hey...........

Another year goes by and a new district manager moves in and decids he'd like all the optical staff to wear giant eyeball hats and oh yea, "we need to pick up the optical sales so you will drop your exam fees from $55 to $43". You have one more "ALWAYS LOW PRICES" Cheer with the gang AND get into a disagreement with the district manager. He pretends to give a crap abour your concerns and walks back to his office to call and get the next warm body OD on deck. So you get tired of all the crap and quit before getting fired. You find out, against state law that "Your patients" are really 'Walmarts patients'..........but what'cha gonna do, sue Walmart?? But in reality, do you really think they went there to see you or the 'warm body' that can refract them for $59 glassess?

So now your 3+ years post graduation and no bills have been paid. You've paid the minium on the school loans and are paying $940/month on a new Lexus LS460.

So you're a bit panicked. You have a house/apt payment, a car payment and $2,000 in school loans. You can't be unemployed. So you visit a few private OD offices and tell them of your NEED for $110,000/yr plus full benefits. The private OD, probably barely making that himself, laughs inside and offers you a few days fill-in. So you fill in a few places and pick up a part-time Lenscrafters gig too. So you're making decent $$ but are not really fullfiled doing things the way other people want them done. Because after all, you have three years experience and there is nothing more a doc likes than someone coming in and telling him that the place he's built with blood, sweat and tears, 'really needs to add vision therapy' (Trust me.....there are NO new ideas in optometry....it's all been tried 100 times.....anything you can think of has been tried)

You are filling in here and there, all the while, life happens. Maybe a baby comes, a marriage (maybe even the marriage first), a parent gets old/sick..........bottom line.........you will ALWAYS have bills to pay. You contemplate going to a bank and borrowing $100,000 to start a practice but with home debt, school debt, car debt..etc.......they are reluctant to give you one and you are not even really sure you want to take on more debt so you just never really pull the trigger 100%.

So then you are stuck. Out of the clouds the sun breaks through like an angel and you see a flyer that a new Pearle Vision is coming to your town and needs an optometrist. Finally your 'own place'. They will just set the hours, make you work Saturdays and Sundays, determine the price of your exams, determine which lenses you will sell.......blah, blah, blah..... And so it goes....

If you do the first scenerio, life can be good for you.
If you do the second one, not so much.
 
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"You get used to the nasty customers trying to bring their shopping carts into your 10x10 sq ft "office""

Lol funny but sad.
 
That's what your practice partner/newly graduated-OD is for! Golf-on!
True, if you own your own practice or lease a space in a retail location, you can go to FillinDoc.com and find a fill in doctor quickly and easily. that's what I do!

And when I want to add a few days of work to my schedule, I can always find a few extra fill in dates to work...I know they are active in Arizona, but not sure if they offer their service in all states yet.
 
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Some people like the idea of a residency as it enables you to teach. Others may also prefer to not have all the hassles of running a business, i.e. their own practice.

Basically, there is no way to do Optometry right. If you are doing it for monetary reasons, than you have chosen the wrong field! If accumulating money is your primary concern, I would recommend investment banking.

It sounds to me that you chose optometry for the wrong reasons and use SDN as a vent to let out your frustrations with the profession, when in actuality, its your own fault for getting into a profession that you thought would be lucrative.

Whats sad is that, your so called "positives" about Optometry are more negative than positive!


You wouldn't know it from my posts......but I'm a very positive person overall.

The postive of optometry is you CAN help people AND make very good money at it. (But the first point is lost on 90% of your patients).

But only if you play your cards right.

1. You have to have little to no undergraduate debt.
2. Go to the cheapest optometry school you can find--(become a state resident if you must).
3. Don't waste your time doing a pseudo-residency.
4. Immediately open a practice right out of school or purchase a good one if you can find one that the owner is not trying to charge a rediculous amount. Write up a competent business plan and take it to a few bankers.
5. Learn as soon as possible how to bill medically AND DO IT.
6. Hope and pray you have a competent spouse who will handle the office for you while you 'do your thing'.
7. Hope said spouse doesn't divorce you and ruin all you worked for previously.
8. Hit the road running with your new practice and try to get as many referral sources as possible (family docs, PAs, nurses, schools, nursing homes, etc.......you'll need everyone you get plus their brothers and sisters).

And now we are getting to the important stuff:
9. Don't go out and buy a new BMW or Lexus. If you must have one for image, get a used one that you can pay off in a few years.
10. Buy a modest house.
11. Immediate start a Roth or other IRA.
12. Work to pay off your school loans as quickly as possible (hopefully you followed the eariler advice and didn't rack up too much).
13. As soon as possilbe, purchase the real estate your practice is located in.
14. Don't think you can lose money on every patient but make it up in volume (ie. don't accept crap vision plans). That's a mathematical impossiblity but it's what the crappy insurance companys will tell you will happen.
15. Work like a dog getting patients because unlike some professions, we have to find the patients.......they don't find us. I mean things like work outside your office (alot), working in smelly nursing homes, find a space-share with a family doc or similar, contract to do exams in a prison, teach a class at a community college, visit every provider in your area, visit OMDs so they know who you are, etc......

THIS is what it takes.............along with a few hundred thousand dollars, very thick skin and maybe 10 years AFTER graduation.

The GOOD NEWS. You CAN make enough money to pay off your school loans, pay off your home, have nice cars, vacation and live better than most people.

THE BAD NEWS: 90+% of graduating optometrist WON'T DO ALL THIS.

Here's what most will do:
-Take out whatever loans the school will give them. They know best, after all.

-Graduate owing $200,000. Say, "oh shi_t" when the first bill comes after graduation. As soon as you graduate, I mean after mommy and daddy or MasterCard pays for your graduation trip to Hawaii, you will be working at some ODs office (for $150/day) under his license waiting for yours to come in the mail so you'll be "official". You get tired of 'working for the man' making peanuts so...............

You will remember The Walmart rep that came to your school mentioning how you can "have your own practice and make six figures with no risk". Hey, you've got bills to pay. Why not don the blue vest and sock away a little money 'until your ready to open your own place?

You'll stay there 2 years, all the while hiding the fact that you work at a discount warehouse, seldom mentioning it to friends and only to colleages if they ask you specifically. You get used to the nasty customers trying to bring their shopping carts into your 10x10 sq ft "office". You learn to accept the wink-wink "suggestions" (ie. demands) from your optical manager, who the month before was working at the local hog slaughter factory. But whatever,.... the money is good and you get a Walmart discount so hey...........

Another year goes by and a new district manager moves in and decids he'd like all the optical staff to wear giant eyeball hats and oh yea, "we need to pick up the optical sales so you will drop your exam fees from $55 to $43". You have one more "ALWAYS LOW PRICES" Cheer with the gang AND get into a disagreement with the district manager. He pretends to give a crap abour your concerns and walks back to his office to call and get the next warm body OD on deck. So you get tired of all the crap and quit before getting fired. You find out, against state law that "Your patients" are really 'Walmarts patients'..........but what'cha gonna do, sue Walmart?? But in reality, do you really think they went there to see you or the 'warm body' that can refract them for $59 glassess?

So now your 3+ years post graduation and no bills have been paid. You've paid the minium on the school loans and are paying $940/month on a new Lexus LS460.

So you're a bit panicked. You have a house/apt payment, a car payment and $2,000 in school loans. You can't be unemployed. So you visit a few private OD offices and tell them of your NEED for $110,000/yr plus full benefits. The private OD, probably barely making that himself, laughs inside and offers you a few days fill-in. So you fill in a few places and pick up a part-time Lenscrafters gig too. So you're making decent $$ but are not really fullfiled doing things the way other people want them done. Because after all, you have three years experience and there is nothing more a doc likes than someone coming in and telling him that the place he's built with blood, sweat and tears, 'really needs to add vision therapy' (Trust me.....there are NO new ideas in optometry....it's all been tried 100 times.....anything you can think of has been tried)

You are filling in here and there, all the while, life happens. Maybe a baby comes, a marriage (maybe even the marriage first), a parent gets old/sick..........bottom line.........you will ALWAYS have bills to pay. You contemplate going to a bank and borrowing $100,000 to start a practice but with home debt, school debt, car debt..etc.......they are reluctant to give you one and you are not even really sure you want to take on more debt so you just never really pull the trigger 100%.

So then you are stuck. Out of the clouds the sun breaks through like an angel and you see a flyer that a new Pearle Vision is coming to your town and needs an optometrist. Finally your 'own place'. They will just set the hours, make you work Saturdays and Sundays, determine the price of your exams, determine which lenses you will sell.......blah, blah, blah..... And so it goes....

If you do the first scenerio, life can be good for you.
If you do the second one, not so much.
 
Some people like the idea of a residency as it enables you to teach. Others may also prefer to not have all the hassles of running a business, i.e. their own practice.

Basically, there is no way to do Optometry right. If you are doing it for monetary reasons, than you have chosen the wrong field! If accumulating money is your primary concern, I would recommend investment banking.

It sounds to me that you chose optometry for the wrong reasons and use SDN as a vent to let out your frustrations with the profession, when in actuality, its your own fault for getting into a profession that you thought would be lucrative.

Whats sad is that, your so called "positives" about Optometry are more negative than positive!

Yep. You got me. 🙄

P.S. The profession has been very lucritive for me. For the future.......not so much.
 
I love how "pre-optometry" people feel they know so much about the profession. First get into an optometry school and then talk to us...
 
I love how "pre-optometry" people feel they know so much about the profession. First get into an optometry school and then talk to us...

Yes it is funny. Why listen to practicing optometrists? I mean, what could that those actually work in the profession possibly know about it. 🙄

If I was a college student, I would get all my information from my friends on Facebook, the AOA and government salary sources.
 
I think you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to put a lot of stock in what you hear from anonymous posters on an internet forum. It certainly can be useful to give you some more things to think about and look into further though. However, I wouldn't use anything read here to make any final decisions on anything. I would also say that anyone who has an obvious personal agenda (like every post saying the same thing over and over and over again) should probably just be completely ignored. It's actually quite easy to pick them out. Just do a quick skim of their "other posts" list and it sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
I think you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to put a lot of stock in what you hear from anonymous posters on an internet forum. It certainly can be useful to give you some more things to think about and look into further though. However, I wouldn't use anything read here to make any final decisions on anything. I would also say that anyone who has an obvious personal agenda (like every post saying the same thing over and over and over again) should probably just be completely ignored. It's actually quite easy to pick them out. Just do a quick skim of their "other posts" list and it sticks out like a sore thumb.


Again, coming from someone not even remotely related to the eyecare field.

My information is worth what you pay for it (meaning not much but it's all true and based on life experience).

Yours is worth nothing here because as we have established............you have no idea what your talking about since you are not in the field. Go to the '45-year-old unemployed guy living in my mom's basement' website and post your opinions there where they will be useful and may help someone.
 
Again, coming from someone not even remotely related to the eyecare field.

So common sense requires having a relation to the eye care field? Interesting theory. Also, it's ok for you to post your opinion simply because you say that you're an OD but I can not post my personal opinion here? These are private forums now? I don't really care if anyone reads my opinions at all but you certainly seem to be concerned about maintaining some kind of soap box. You seem excessively defensive considering I never actually mentioned you at all. Do you feel that you resemble some of the things I mentioned in my opinion statement?

Anyway, it's true that I personally would not implicitly trust anything that anyone says on an internet forum especially from an anonymous poster who has an obvious agenda. That's just my personal opinion though and everyone else is entitled to theirs too. Since I said nothing to you explicitly, you don't have to respond to it or even read it. Just keep moving on with your business.
 
I love how "pre-optometry" people feel they know so much about the profession. First get into an optometry school and then talk to us...

The Optometry profession and optometry business are two separate things. Of course I would know little about the profession, since I am not a student of the profession, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't know how a optometry practice makes profits etc etc. Its pretty much common sense, once you look at what you're doing, what you aren't doing, and what others are doing.
 
It's 1980 and you have been running an typewriter sales and repair business successfully for 20 years. You've made a decent living because people need typewriters. Typewriters have been the dominant word processing tool for close to 100 years now.

You open up a magazine one day and read about a few guys name Steve Jobs and Bill Gates (the dates are fictional- I do not know the exact timeline of the evolution of the pc). They have developed a new machine that can do what the typewriter does.....better and faster. Your fellow typewriter shop owners are talking and are worried. Business has began to slow down. People are not repairing their old typewriters opting instead to try one of those new Apple Commodores.

Just at that time, a guy goes into your typewriter shop and says he he thinking about opening one in a nearby state. He's going to borrow $100,000 to open it and he wants your opinion.

What do you say? "Sure, I've made good money and people will always need a typewriter and need to get them repaired and need correction tape".

Or do you say..........."You know, things seem to be changing very quickly. There is a new thing called a 'com-pu-ter' that might take the place of these old typewriters and will probably reduce the need for typewriter shops (even as every magazine has ads in the back advertising how to 'Become a Typewriter Repairman in 4 Weeks and Make Great Money "?
http://books.google.com/books?id=BdQDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA32&ots=_bef013w9k&dq=popular%20mechanics%20typewriter%20repair&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%20typewriter%20repair&f=false
 
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It's 1980 and you have been running an typewriter sales and repair business successfully for 20 years. You've made a decent living because people need typewriters. Typewriters have been the dominant word processing tool for close to 100 years now.

You open up a magazine one day and read about a few guys name Steve Jobs and Bill Gates (the dates are fictional- I do not know the exact timeline of the evolution of the pc). They have developed a new machine that can do what the typewriter does.....better and faster. Your fellow typewriter shop owners are talking and are worried. Business has began to slow down. People are not repairing their old typewriters opting instead to try one of those new Apple Commodores.

Just at that time, a guy goes into your typewriter shop and says he he thinking about opening one in a nearby state. He's going to borrow $100,000 to open it and he wants your opinion.

What do you say? "Sure, I've made good money and people will always need a typewriter and need to get them repaired and need correction tape".

Or do you say..........."You know, things seem to be changing very quickly. There is a new thing called a 'com-pu-ter' that might take the place of these old typewriters and will probably reduce the need for typewriter shops (even as every magazine has ads in the back advertising how to 'Become a Typewriter Repairman in 4 Weeks and Make Great Money "?
http://books.google.com/books?id=BdQDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA32&ots=_bef013w9k&dq=popular%20mechanics%20typewriter%20repair&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%20typewriter%20repair&f=false

that's so true. 🙁


Another example is blockbuster and netflex/redbox.
 
I don't really see the typewriter analogy as being particularly relevant.

We don't sell a product that is in imminent danger of being obsolete. Now, the method that people obtain that product and pay for that product, that the jury is still out on.

I think a better analogy is that when they started putting fluoride in the water supply, people thought dentistry was doomed. We'd all drink our way to perfect oral health. Didn't happen.

When Betamax came out, everyone thought teachers and schools would face away because lessons could be produced on tape, completed whenever a student felt like and the tapes could be rewinded and viewed as many times as needed. Children would love it because they love to watch TV. No need for expensive schools and teachers.

Well, that didn't happen either.

I would agree that the future of optometry (all of healthcare really) is somewhat murky. So I do think that it's prudent to not just look at someone who made a great living in optometry for 40 years and think that you can just step in and do the same thing. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.
 
The Optometry profession and optometry business are two separate things. Of course I would know little about the profession, since I am not a student of the profession, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't know how a optometry practice makes profits etc etc. Its pretty much common sense, once you look at what you're doing, what you aren't doing, and what others are doing.

Actually that belief is what is causing the problems.

They are not two separate things. If you knew about how an optometry practice makes profits you'd know about the optometry business.

How can the "optometry profession" and "optometry business" be two separate entities?

😕
 
I truly don't think optometry will be obsolete. There is always a need for primary eye care.

Could the over supply of optometrists be pulling the salaries down in major cities. Perhaps; you see it happening everywhere.

As long as people have at least one eye, there will be a demand for primary eye health care. But that also means private practices and optometrists working in lenscrafters and the like have their place in the business.

Recent graduates come out with all this eye health knowledge, but forget that your average patient that presents at your clinic just wants new glasses and if not, they're just presenting for their annual or biennial check. THOSE are your patients that keep your practice running. Oh and catch some kind of ocular disease and they're yours for ever. :meanie:

In my honest opinion of course.
 
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