Possibly forced to take gap year(s)

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Title says it all. I’m a premed at a California community college and they keep making me take these stupid prep classes before I can take my required classes such as calculus, gen chem, etc. Some of them don’t even make sense like gen chem where the prereqs are math 040/041 and their prep class and even when I tried to challenge it by saying I have an A in college algebra (math 141), they still won’t budge. Then I was like ‘fine, I’ll take it during winter break’ but then it turns out they and the CC’s surrounding the area don’t offer it (looked into taking it online at a Cali community college campus but all of them either have different winter start and ends or just don’t have my subjects). I assume I’ll run into this problem when I get down to summer too. I tried looking into transferring out of here to a UC asap, but it looks like I’m trapped here since I can’t really finish the transfer requirements due to being delayed for so long. I have been pretty shaken up about this lately, my main fear being I’ll have to spend not one, but several extra years before I can get into med school. I wish someone had warned me about this in h.s but my school was low-funded and on the bad side of town; I literally had no guidance there except for a few med articles I searched up while there which said taking cc instead of uni would save you tons of money (no mention of extra time). God I ****ed up
 
What year are you OP? I'm guessing you're a freshman or sophomore?
If nothing else...look at it this way. An extra year is a lot of time to grab hours in shadowing, volunteering, and even unique hobbies (even with COVID). Majority of med school applicants these days take at least a gap year anyway.
 
What year are you OP? I'm guessing you're a freshman or sophomore?
If nothing else...look at it this way. An extra year is a lot of time to grab hours in shadowing, volunteering, and even unique hobbies (even with COVID). Majority of med school applicants these days take at least a gap year anyway.
Thanks for the assurance man. I’m a freshman rn and won’t be able to take my prereqs until sophomore year. I already got 100 hours at my food bank already so that’s a plus I suppose (also planning to get that to 300+ over winter yay!). I peruse the premed subreddit almost on the daily and I always see how everyone takes the Mcat on time and also how a lot of folks don’t get any interviews so they’re forced to go DO or take a gap year (both horrible things to see tbh given my situation). Which is a totally nightmare to me btw, being forced to take a not one but TWO gap years or become a DO 🙁
 
Thanks for the assurance man. I’m a freshman rn and won’t be able to take my prereqs until sophomore year.
Definitely overthinking it my guy. I took a bunch of med school pre-reqs even in my Senior year.
DO is still a doctor, with plenty of oppourtunities. You can't be too choosey these days...what would you want to specialize in (specializing can also be twice the residency length of general practice)? I work at CVS and we get prescriptions from DO's all the time.
 
Ah, my bad. I just want to specialize once I get into med school and I believe DOs have a harder time to do that MDs.
Actually not true based on the data. Check the Match data... the number of applicants applying for specialized positions is lower-----> doesn't mean its harder just means less people are inclined. 🙂
 
The pre-med pre-req sequence doesn't take all four years. You can start your pre-reqs in sophomore year and still be able to apply directly out of undergrad.
 
I started at a CC myself. The course requirements are there to increase the chances that you'll build a solid foundation and do well in your courses. The highest level courses that build on other prereqs you may need for certain medical schools are Biochemistry, Cell Biology, and Genetics. For some schools the prereq for Biochem is Orgo 2, so it would take you 2 semesters to complete the gen chem sequence, and 2 semesters for the Orgo sequence before you can take Biochem. 5 semesters that you will have plenty of time to fit in. Plan out your coursework but remember to breathe.

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1) Breathe
2) Maintain a good GPA. This is very important for professional schools.
3) Plan out your coursework. Know that you have enough time to take all your prerequisites.
 
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Definitely overthinking it my guy. I took a bunch of med school pre-reqs even in my Senior year.
DO is still a doctor, with plenty of oppourtunities. You can't be too choosey these days...what would you want to specialize in (specializing can also be twice the residency length of general practice)? I work at CVS and we get prescriptions from DO's all the time.
Yes, but everyone is taking their mcat in the summer of sophomore year, and I can’t because I won’t have bio chem and chem and all those classes done by then.
 
I started at a CC myself. The course requirements are there to increase the chances that you'll build a solid foundation and do well in your courses. The highest level courses that build on other prereqs you may need for certain medical schools are Biochemistry, Cell Biology, and Genetics. For some schools the prereq for Biochem is Orgo 2, so it would take you 2 semesters to complete the gen chem sequence, and 2 semesters for the Orgo sequence before you can take Biochem. 5 semesters that you will have plenty of time to fit in. Plan out your coursework but remember to breathe.

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1) Breathe
2) Maintain a good GPA. This is very important for professional schools.
3) Plan out your coursework. Know that you have enough time to take all your prerequisites.
Yes, but I wanted to take the mcat with all the others my sophomore summer year, so I can apply on time and hopefully get in med school straight out of undergrad. At least, that was the plan. Well, I could theoretically take it then take bio chem, ochem, and everything after and be “on time”, but that’s just a recipe for disaster.
 
Yes, but everyone is taking their mcat in the summer of sophomore year, and I can’t because I won’t have bio chem and chem and all those classes done by then.
Sound like you're in a hurry. One year is not going to change your life the path you are taking. If you're in this much of a hurry consider alternative fields.
 
Sound like you're in a hurry. One year is not going to change your life the path you are taking. If you're in this much of a hurry consider alternative fields.
You are correct. But nothing feels worse than being forcibly held back by something that is out of your hands.
 
You are correct. But nothing feels worse than being forcibly held back by something that is out of your hands.
If it is out of your hands it is not worth the stress. Rather strategically plan for both outcomes. Either way -- gap year or not -- if you really want something, you will always find a way to make things happen. It's great you are planning things out this early.
 
The pre-med pre-req sequence doesn't take all four years. You can start your pre-reqs in sophomore year and still be able to apply directly out of undergrad.
I had read something similar where someone was inquiring about whether or not it was too late to take prereqs as a sophomore. I believe the consensus was that he would have to apply his senior year instead of junior year. Or he had to on a pretty heavy course load compared to his peers to catch up, if my memory is correct Both are pretty unfavorable paths for me.
 
If it is out of your hands it is not worth the stress. Rather strategically plan for both outcomes. Either way -- gap year or not -- if you really want something, you will always find a way to make things happen. It's great you are planning things out this early.
I know you’re correct. I’m just still in the process of adapting to this new revelation and also trying to shake off all the “what if’s”.
 
Classes I would not self teach are Gen Chem, Bio, Biochem. O-chem and physics are on you -- I didn't learn these topics from my professors and O-chem isn't heavy on the MCAT anyway, but it's a matter of luck on how much of your exam is O-chem and physics. Pre-reqs need to be completed by matriculation not application.

EDIT: Depending on what version of biochem you need to take you might shoot yourself in the foot if you take it with a prof that love chemistry. O-chem in a way prepares you with all the memorization. Biochem is next level memorization/understanding.
Yeah, I had a hunch similar to what you just said after perusing the premed subreddit for so long lol
 
Remember, an MCAT score is only good for 3 years.

Indeed. Most people will not take it sophomore year for this very reason. If something happens and you have to reapply or delay applying a year, your mcat will expire.

Also, Zep rules.
 
Actually not true based on the data. Check the Match data... the number of applicants applying for specialized positions is lower-----> doesn't mean its harder just means less people are inclined. 🙂

Unfortunately, there is definitely an uphill battle for DOs in certain fields and some are quite difficult.
 
Unfortunately, there is definitely an uphill battle for DOs in certain fields and some are quite difficult.
I would also add those are uphill battles for MDs too. Competetive residencies are competetive for everyone. Yes some MDs match with lower stats than DOs. Yet, I have students matching Derm, CT surgery, ortho, OB, university programs, John Hopkins, Penn State, Mayo Jax, UF, U Wisconsin, Cleveland Clinic, I could go on. I don't mention this to be argumentative, but OP is a freshman and has been misguided to a degree. It's harder as a DO, and there is always negativity this time of year,(residency interview season), but every year we overall match pretty well.
 
Yes, but everyone is taking their mcat in the summer of sophomore year, and I can’t because I won’t have bio chem and chem and all those classes done by then.
You still seem to be getting bad info. Transfer to the UC and hook up with a pre med advisor. If it takes longer to apply to med school, then you learned a life lesson. Being a year older will actually work in your favor in many ways , esp with your app, ECs, volunteering, shadowing, clinical, maturity, etc.. You don't get bonus points or a discount if you are the youngest person in class. Good luck and best wishes!
 
I would also add those are uphill battles for MDs too. Competetive residencies are competetive for everyone. Yes some MDs match with lower stats than DOs. Yet, I have students matching Derm, CT surgery, ortho, OB, university programs, John Hopkins, Penn State, Mayo Jax, UF, U Wisconsin, Cleveland Clinic, I could go on. I don't mention this to be argumentative, but OP is a freshman and has been misguided to a degree. It's harder as a DO, and there is always negativity this time of year,(residency interview season), but every year we overall match pretty well.

That’s great that you have people matching well, but we shouldn’t be telling applicants that you can just as easily match into competitive specialties as a DO when that isn’t true. All you have to do is look at the charting the outcomes data. For example:

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But regardless, for the topic of the post, a gap year is not a big deal. Most people in my class took at least one.
 
Yes, but I wanted to take the mcat with all the others my sophomore summer year, so I can apply on time and hopefully get in med school straight out of undergrad. At least, that was the plan. Well, I could theoretically take it then take bio chem, ochem, and everything after and be “on time”, but that’s just a recipe for disaster.

Do not take the MCAT until you have taken all the prereqs. Hurrying and taking the MCAT unprepared will do more to hurt your application than taking an extra semester or two. You have imposed a timeline on yourself and that is foolish. You apply to med school when you are ready and have the best possible application not when your friends are applying. You seem to have a lot of misinformation concerning the whole process. Perhaps you should read up on applying to med schools and while you are reading research DO schools.
 
Here's another piece of anecdotal internet data to add to your idea that EVERYONE is taking the MCAT end of sophomore year: I didn't even take the MCAT until after I graduated. Didn't know I wanted to be pre-med until late junior year. Got upset that I was so "behind" to everyone else, AKA the three people I knew well in my new pre-med classes (not an accurate data pool, same as here or Reddit!!). Thought gap years would be a waste. Well, I ended up earning a professional accomplishment in those gap years that I could never have fathomed getting in med school. I gained some experience being a normal adult, made some money, enjoyed my 3 years thoroughly. This did not at all hold me back from going MD. I'm in med school now and I still think back to my gap years and what I accomplished in them fondly and often. The older you get, the less you'll regret being "unique" vs. fitting in with the self-selected pool you're looking at right now. I GUARANTEE it.

And I should say, continuing the anecdote, that out of those 3 people I knew- me and one other ended up started school at the same time. The other two chose different careers entirely or are still applying. Just so you know!
 
@Ccpremed777 Out of curiosity:
- What is your GPA so far?
- What classes have you been taking so far?
- What has been your credit load each semester so far?
 
I had read something similar where someone was inquiring about whether or not it was too late to take prereqs as a sophomore. I believe the consensus was that he would have to apply his senior year instead of junior year. Or he had to on a pretty heavy course load compared to his peers to catch up, if my memory is correct Both are pretty unfavorable paths for me.
Why?
 
@Ccpremed777 Out of curiosity:
- What is your GPA so far?
- What classes have you been taking so far?
- What has been your credit load each semester so far?
-4.0
-One semester English, college algebra, Counseling (school said I had to take counseling to get free tuition)
-first semester was 12 (just took classes counselor told me; didn’t mention anything about getting 16 credits to graduate on time )
12 first semester, 18 second semester

Edit: Also not sure how these classes will fare when compared to the UC classes (in terms of transferring equivalencies). For all I know, these classes could not meet the standard of the required classes which is just a whole other nightmare I don’t want to look at rn. I’ll have to speak to someone from my school (or the UC?) in order to get this mess cleared up.
 
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It’s recommended to not take summer classes just b/c you need that time to cool down, relieve stress, and also premeds typically take that time to do their ECs too. As for the gap year(s), well, 4 years was already a long enough time but 5 years (imposed upon you by others, not b/c of your lack of merit) is not cool.
 
That’s great that you have people matching well, but we shouldn’t be telling applicants that you can just as easily match into competitive specialties as a DO when that isn’t true. All you have to do is look at the charting the outcomes data. For example:

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But regardless, for the topic of the post, a gap year is not a big deal. Most people in my class took at least one.
I agree. I don't think anybody is telling pre meds they can easily match in a given specialty. Thank you for posting the charting outcomes graphs. You're helping me make my point. Except for neurosurg and plastics, there was a greater than 50% chance of matching vascular surg and ENT, one of the most competetive. Except for those 2, 2 out of 3 DOs or better, matched in those other specialties. Gen surg, ortho, derm., etc. Others had 90% plus match rates. Yes its harder, far from impossible. Anybody who applies DO that doesn't recognize this hasn't done any homework.
 
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I agree. I don't think anybody is telling pre meds they can easily match in a given specialty. Thank you for posting the charting outcomes graphs. You're helping me make my point. Except for neurosurg and plastics, there was a greater than 50% chance of matching vascular surg and ENT, one of the most competetive. Except for those 2, 2 out of 3 DOs or better, matched in those other specialties. Gen surg, ortho, derm., etc. Others had 90% plus match rates. Yes its harder, far from impossible. Anybody who applies DO that doesn't recognize this hasn't done any homework.

Right, but no one said it's impossible. I said it was harder. DOs had a significantly lower percentage of matching their desired specialty in basically every specialty that isn't primary care, neurology, or path. It's really hard for the surgical subs. Only 56% of DOs who wanted ENT got it. Same with vascular. You already mentioned neurosurg and plastics. Ortho is 60% versus 80% for MDs. Even GS and OB/GYN are much lower.

No one is saying DO is bad or that you can't match a competitive specialty as a DO. But it is harder and the numbers support that.
 
Right, but no one said it's impossible. I said it was harder. DOs had a significantly lower percentage of matching their desired specialty in basically every specialty that isn't primary care, neurology, or path. It's really hard for the surgical subs. Only 56% of DOs who wanted ENT got it. Same with vascular. You already mentioned neurosurg and plastics. Ortho is 60% versus 80% for MDs. Even GS and OB/GYN are much lower.

No one is saying DO is bad or that you can't match a competitive specialty as a DO. But it is harder and the numbers support that.
We are saying the same thing. Quoting the same stats,I'm saying that glass is half full, you are saying its half empty. Its a generational thing, I'm sure. I grew up in a town where there were 2 hospitals, one DO , one MD. DOs weren't allowed on staff at the MD hospital. I was the 2nd DO to be on staff at my university, my buddy the first the year before. So when I see well over half of DOs matching ENT, one of the most competetive specialties, I see it as progress and a good thing. Anyway, I've said enough and don't want to hijack the thread. Thanks for the polite back and forth.
 
We are saying the same thing. Quoting the same stats,I'm saying that glass is half full, you are saying its half empty. Its a generational thing, I'm sure. I grew up in a town where there were 2 hospitals, one DO , one MD. DOs weren't allowed on staff at the MD hospital. I was the 2nd DO to be on staff at my university, my buddy the first the year before. So when I see well over half of DOs matching ENT, one of the most competetive specialties, I see it as progress and a good thing. Anyway, I've said enough and don't want to hijack the thread. Thanks for the polite back and forth.

Well, I’m 37 so I doubt it’s generational. Most of the surgeons I worked with early in my career as an OR tech were DOs and my mentor when I was getting ready to try for med school is a DO (and a vascular surgeon). I know a lot of DOs. So I definitely know it’s possible. Just presenting the data realistically, not pessimistic or optimistic. Just how it is because a user was saying that if DOs aren’t matching competitive specialties, it’s because they don’t want to which isn’t true.
 
That’s great that you have people matching well, but we shouldn’t be telling applicants that you can just as easily match into competitive specialties as a DO when that isn’t true. All you have to do is look at the charting the outcomes data. For example:

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But regardless, for the topic of the post, a gap year is not a big deal. Most people in my class took at least one.

This is an extremely informative and evidence based post, and explains the differences between MD and DO matching for competitive specialties. Lot of the competitive surgical specialties (neurosurgery, ENT, opthalmology, plastic surgery, neurosurgery) and some of the more prestigious Internal Medicine residencies (which then leads to competitive fellowships) are definitely tougher to obtain (not impossible, just lower success rates) as a DO.

If you are looking at primary care and some of the less competitive specialties, there is no difference between MD and DO.
 
It’s recommended to not take summer classes just b/c you need that time to cool down, relieve stress, and also premeds typically take that time to do their ECs too. As for the gap year(s), well, 4 years was already a long enough time but 5 years (imposed upon you by others, not b/c of your lack of merit) is not cool.
You are very young, and just beginning your journey. I would recommend learning to deal with your stress now, because medicine is a long road and you don’t want to burn out this early.
 
It’s recommended to not take summer classes just b/c you need that time to cool down, relieve stress, and also premeds typically take that time to do their ECs too. As for the gap year(s), well, 4 years was already a long enough time but 5 years (imposed upon you by others, not b/c of your lack of merit) is not cool.
You really have lots of misconceptions. It’s a very good thing that you have plenty of time to figure out what is the real story on med school admissions. Please try to be open to the reality and not believe most of what you have been told up to now. This isn’t a race and not everyone who wants to be a doctor gets to be one. So slow down and figure out what you need to do if you really want to be a physician. And as people on SDN recommend frequently, always have a backup plan .
 
It’s recommended to not take summer classes just b/c you need that time to cool down, relieve stress, and also premeds typically take that time to do their ECs too. As for the gap year(s), well, 4 years was already a long enough time but 5 years (imposed upon you by others, not b/c of your lack of merit) is not cool.

Just wanted to pipe in here on this topic. Life is full of situations that will be forced on you that you have little to no control over. Take some time to be upset that’s normal, and the easy thing to do is complain about it. The challenging thing is to figure out how to move forward and pick yourself up from a crap situation and learn something in the process. An extra year can be an opportunity to do research, find patient care experiences, study more for the MCAT so you ace it on the first attempt etc.

As Goro often says, high stat applicants are a dime a dozen, and many high stat applicants get no interviews in a cycle. Just checking boxes doesn’t mean you will get an acceptance and for many schools a gap year is encouraged because it gives students an opportunity to broaden their views and gain valuable work experience. Just something to think about.
 
Just wanted to pipe in here on this topic. Life is full of situations that will be forced on you that you have little to no control over. Take some time to be upset that’s normal, and the easy thing to do is complain about it. The challenging thing is to figure out how to move forward and pick yourself up from a crap situation and learn something in the process. An extra year can be an opportunity to do research, find patient care experiences, study more for the MCAT so you ace it on the first attempt etc.

As Goro often says, high stat applicants are a dime a dozen, and many high stat applicants get no interviews in a cycle. Just checking boxes doesn’t mean you will get an acceptance and for many schools a gap year is encouraged because it gives students an opportunity to broaden their views and gain valuable work experience. Just something to think about.

As Goro often says, high stat applicants are a dime a dozen, and many high stat applicants get no interviews in a cycle.

Lets examine this very subjective statement in an objective perspective. If you look at the AAMC acceptance grids, GPA 3.79+/MCAT 517+ acceptance rate is 87%. From some of the older data sets which are not being released by the AAMC anymore, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that in the HIGH STAT APPLICANTS section of GPA 3.9+/MCAT 520+ (based on the recent reports there are about 700 of these per year) , the acceptance rate is 95%. So, in this HIgh stat applicant pool, about 35 of them dont matriculate every year.

That 95% is for acceptance, the number of these high stat applicants who get at least 1 interview is higher than that, probably closer to 98-99%. Based on the same stats that makes it likely that about 7-14 high stat applicants probably dont get a single interview every year.

While obviously the final selection is dependent on several metrics (extracurriculars, clinical exposure, reference letters, personality/interview performance etc), the academic metrics continue to be a solid component of your application.

Of the 3 medical schools I have been faculty in, academic metrics continues to be a solid component of deciding who gets the interview invites. It is not as strong , once the interview is completed, then the other metrics (extracurriculars, clinical exposure, reference letters, personality/ interview performance), get to be more important, in deciding who gets the acceptance letter.

I love the analogy of climbing the stairs that @LizzyM made in describing the selection process.
 
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As Goro often says, high stat applicants are a dime a dozen, and many high stat applicants get no interviews in a cycle.

Lets examine this very subjective statement in an objective perspective. If you look at the AAMC acceptance grids, GPA 3.79+/MCAT 517+ acceptance rate is 87%. From some of the older data sets which are not being released by the AAMC anymore, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that in the HIGH STAT APPLICANTS section of GPA 3.9+/MCAT 520+ (based on the recent reports there are about 700 of these per year) , the acceptance rate is 95%. So, in this HIgh stat applicant pool, about 35 of them dont matriculate every year.

That 95% is for acceptance, the number of these high stat applicants who get at least 1 interview is higher than that, probably closer to 98-99%. Based on the same stats that makes it likely that about 7-14 high stat applicants probably dont get a single interview every year.

While obviously the final selection is dependent on several metrics (extracurriculars, clinical exposure, reference letters, personality/interview performance etc), the academic metrics continue to be a solid component of your application.

Of the 3 medical schools I have been faculty in, academic metrics continues to be a solid component of deciding who gets the interview invites. It is not as strong , once the interview is completed, then the other metrics (extracurriculars, clinical exposure, reference letters, personality/ interview performance), get to be more important, in deciding who gets the acceptance letter.

I love the analogy of climbing the stairs that @LizzyM made in describing the selection process.
Thanks for debunking the high stats are dima a dozen and means nothing theory with the admission stats. I see same theory gets pushed on other site to make people spend lot of money on BSMD programs. I pointed same with published data from schools like Vandy and Washington but I see same statement gets repeated. I also see too push for gap years and high number of service hours for everyone.

I have been tracking three high stats traditional (with no gap years and 100-200 clinical hours) ORMs this cycle and they are doing good so far with Interview invitations.
 
Thanks for debunking the high stats are dima a dozen and means nothing theory with the admission stats. I see same theory gets pushed on other site to make people spend lot of money on BSMD programs. I pointed same with published data from schools like Vandy and Washington but I see same statement gets repeated. I also see too push for gap years and high number of service hours for everyone.

I have been tracking three high stats traditional (with no gap years and 100-200 clinical hours) ORMs this cycle and they are doing good so far with Interview invitations.

Yes, it is one more urban myth which gets repeated sufficiently, and then starts getting accepted as truth. I had to illustrate the math to show that it is not a dime-a-dozen students, but literally a dozen high stat applicants who dont get an interview.

Most of these, likely have the same issues academic infractions, very restrictive school choices, late applications due to logistics etc.
 
Title says it all. I’m a premed at a California community college and they keep making me take these stupid prep classes before I can take my required classes such as calculus, gen chem, etc. Some of them don’t even make sense like gen chem where the prereqs are math 040/041 and their prep class and even when I tried to challenge it by saying I have an A in college algebra (math 141), they still won’t budge. Then I was like ‘fine, I’ll take it during winter break’ but then it turns out they and the CC’s surrounding the area don’t offer it (looked into taking it online at a Cali community college campus but all of them either have different winter start and ends or just don’t have my subjects). I assume I’ll run into this problem when I get down to summer too. I tried looking into transferring out of here to a UC asap, but it looks like I’m trapped here since I can’t really finish the transfer requirements due to being delayed for so long. I have been pretty shaken up about this lately, my main fear being I’ll have to spend not one, but several extra years before I can get into med school. I wish someone had warned me about this in h.s but my school was low-funded and on the bad side of town; I literally had no guidance there except for a few med articles I searched up while there which said taking cc instead of uni would save you tons of money (no mention of extra time). God I ****ed up
You've gotten plenty of good replies, but I also felt inclined to comment on this thread.

1. Do not ever put down DO's like you did. Its fine here, and most people won't roast you for it. But when you get into medical school (whichever one that might be), you will eventually run into a DO, and chances are, you won't even know it until it is too late. If you run around with the attitude that it appears you currently have with DOs, then you could find yourself into some hot water. No biggie though, just trying to save you future headaches.

2. Speed running the game of life is not all that it is cracked up to be. The difference in one gap year is graduating at 26 compared to 27; two gap years pushes that to 28. Don't get me wrong, I understand that is currently an "unfavorable" outcome, because I was that way too. But I will tell you that everything will eventually work itself out. You will get into medical school if this is truly what you want to do. As far as advice, I agree that it is best to transfer to a University level school that has the appropriate pre-med advisors that truly deal with this stuff. CC's and administration of such can be stuck in their ways to ensure students don't slip through cracks. It can be tough, and I understand the predicament, but again, there is no way through the barriers you are talking about it seems without a transfer in play. So, transferring, and getting back on the track you want to be on seems to be the best option. I don't know what transfer requirements you speak of because you are allowed to switch schools at your choosing almost anywhere in the country. However, if you truly cannot transfer, the best thing you can try to do is grind it out; the best way to do this, this early in your career, should be taking as many summer and winter classes as possible. You can make up those EC hours you miss later. 1000%. I promise.

3. Do NOT take your MCAT during your sophomore year. That is absolutely ABSURD. You want to take that bad boy first and foremost when you are actually wholeheartedly ready, and secondly, in the summer of your Junior year. If you are worried about a poor score, take it in May, and then sign up again for it in late July. That is what 95% of all pre-meds do. Therefore, I am unsure of where you got the advice to take it sophomore year. I can tell you that you will truly be better off to wait until summer of your Junior year EVEN IF you peers do not.

4. While the DO route may currently be unfavorable for you - you should keep in mind that they can match every specialty, and many, many students specialize with ease. You should also bear in mind that the average MCAT for in-state Californian acceptance is a 514 in 2020 which is the 89th percentile overall. This is going to be an incredibly tough feat. So the question becomes, how bad do you want to be a doctor? If you don't hit that 514 mark, how many times are you going to try and get into MD schools? 1 try? 2 tries? 3? Now we are talking about three gap years before you're in...do you ever try DO school or do you just give up? These are serious questions you need to ask yourself. "Yeah, IDK what this guys deal is, obviously I'm super smart, and Im not going to have that problem." Yeah, join the club because DO students are very intelligent people as well that fell into that same category, and many of which did so in a state that wasn't as hard as California. Point being that, part of what makes a great doctor is being able to have a Plan B, and C, and D, and etc (also called a differential diagnosis list). So even though DO is unfavorable, you should at least think about those questions I laid out above.

5. Finally, you are not "so *****." The fact that you're even thinking about this stuff, laying out the timelines, thinking about the routes and consequences of actions, is really great and far more advanced than most 18 year old pre-meds. Keep working, keep grinding, and like I said, it should all work itself out.
 
It’s recommended to not take summer classes just b/c you need that time to cool down, relieve stress, and also premeds typically take that time to do their ECs too. As for the gap year(s), well, 4 years was already a long enough time but 5 years (imposed upon you by others, not b/c of your lack of merit) is not cool.

Just out of curiosity, how long do you think medical training is?
4 years undergrad
4 years med school
3-4 years residency
2-3 years specialty.

That’s...minimum 13 years. With a gap year it is 14 years.

Do you think there is a big difference between 13 and 14 years? or even 15 years?
 
Title says it all. I’m a premed at a California community college and they keep making me take these stupid prep classes before I can take my required classes such as calculus, gen chem, etc. Some of them don’t even make sense like gen chem where the prereqs are math 040/041 and their prep class and even when I tried to challenge it by saying I have an A in college algebra (math 141), they still won’t budge. Then I was like ‘fine, I’ll take it during winter break’ but then it turns out they and the CC’s surrounding the area don’t offer it (looked into taking it online at a Cali community college campus but all of them either have different winter start and ends or just don’t have my subjects). I assume I’ll run into this problem when I get down to summer too. I tried looking into transferring out of here to a UC asap, but it looks like I’m trapped here since I can’t really finish the transfer requirements due to being delayed for so long. I have been pretty shaken up about this lately, my main fear being I’ll have to spend not one, but several extra years before I can get into med school. I wish someone had warned me about this in h.s but my school was low-funded and on the bad side of town; I literally had no guidance there except for a few med articles I searched up while there which said taking cc instead of uni would save you tons of money (no mention of extra time). God I ****ed up
A few thoughts:

  1. Most med school admissions people I've talked to like gap years. They are not required, but the people evaluating your med school application do like them when they see them.
  2. While I understand your frustration having to take classes you don't feel you need, perhaps these classes will help you maintain a higher GPA, which is critical for med school acceptance.
  3. Planning on an extra year a an undergrad give you some breathing room to take the MCAT after completing all the classes that are covered by the MCAT and to get involved in leadership roles on campus.
So again, while I sympathize with your disappointment and frustration, this may be a case of lemonade hiding as lemons.

Good luck!
 
Title says it all. I’m a premed at a California community college and they keep making me take these stupid prep classes before I can take my required classes such as calculus, gen chem, etc. Some of them don’t even make sense like gen chem where the prereqs are math 040/041 and their prep class and even when I tried to challenge it by saying I have an A in college algebra (math 141), they still won’t budge. Then I was like ‘fine, I’ll take it during winter break’ but then it turns out they and the CC’s surrounding the area don’t offer it (looked into taking it online at a Cali community college campus but all of them either have different winter start and ends or just don’t have my subjects). I assume I’ll run into this problem when I get down to summer too. I tried looking into transferring out of here to a UC asap, but it looks like I’m trapped here since I can’t really finish the transfer requirements due to being delayed for so long. I have been pretty shaken up about this lately, my main fear being I’ll have to spend not one, but several extra years before I can get into med school. I wish someone had warned me about this in h.s but my school was low-funded and on the bad side of town; I literally had no guidance there except for a few med articles I searched up while there which said taking cc instead of uni would save you tons of money (no mention of extra time). God I ****ed up
Gap years are an opportunity! Take as many of them as you can. 🙂

(Spoken as someone who took like.. a decade. No regrets!)
 
OP, I am sorry to hear that you are frustrated with the situation you are in. I felt the same way about gap years when I was a freshman/sophomore as well. I took an unplanned gap year after I did not get in on my first application cycle as a senior in college, and in hindsight I should have taken a gap year before applying.

Gap years are an awesome opportunity to really strengthen your application with shadowing, volunteering, etc. that is hard to complete as an undergraduate. Glad to hear you are planning ahead, but make sure that your grades are your first priority; grades are a lot harder to correct after graduation than the other parts of the application. As others have said, don't take the MCAT until you are 100% prepared to give it your best effort; it is great if you can take it once and get a strong score. Re-taking the MCAT will not be a fun experience!

My advice is to work hard on grades and find some volunteering that you enjoy and can stick with for a long period of time. Also look for research once you transfer and try to stick with a lab for a while or find a project that might yield a publication (though pubs are not required to get into med school). Make sure to shadow as much as you can, this will teach you whether this is the career for you and will help A LOT with application essays.

The best thing to do is to not rush the process and put together a really strong application from the get-go, which will help you get into a prestigious school (it sounds like that is your goal for a competitive residency). Taking an extra year is usually the best way to accomplish that; the average age for accepted med students is actually around 24. Take a look at the stickied threads, especially Essential SDN Wisdom for Pre-Meds.
 
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Just out of curiosity, how long do you think medical training is?
4 years undergrad
4 years med school
3-4 years residency
2-3 years specialty.

That’s...minimum 13 years. With a gap year it is 14 years.

Do you think there is a big difference between 13 and 14 years? or even 15 years?

“specialty” is not necessary, so the minimum is 11 years. And to be fair, you’d be doing undergrad anyway, so the actual minimum duration beyond that of the norm is 7 years.
 
“specialty” is not necessary, so the minimum is 11 years. And to be fair, you’d be doing undergrad anyway, so the actual minimum duration beyond that of the norm is 7 years.

Hi Dr K,
Thank you for thoughtful reply.

Can you tell me where you got that norm? It may have been the case when I started medical school but even then, the average M1 was one year out or more from college. Almost none of my co-residents were “norm” either.

Furthermore, based on my experience, I doubt OP is IM or FM bound. There is certainly a tendency for personality types to be attracted to different fields. I did not quite fit all the molds, but some I liked less than others (OB comes to mind). OP, based on his worries, is not looking to do primary care. In addition, medicine recruits individuals with resilience and grit. If your attitude is that one year will ruin your life, then I don’t feel you are resilient enough to make it to practice. You might go to medical school and drop out, graduate but not do residency or practice. It is a long road, and the only profession other than the clergy or army where you don’t (truly) choose where to go for training. So flexibility and resilience are key.

OP is a freshman in college. There is no difference between being 30 and practicing and being 31 and practicing. So, still unclear what you disagree with. Its a year. Medicine is a life long career. Hippocrates wrote, life is short and the art (medicine) is endless. So even 2000+ years ago, the advice was: don’t sweat a year.
 
Hi Dr K,
Thank you for thoughtful reply.

Can you tell me where you got that norm? It may have been the case when I started medical school but even then, the average M1 was one year out or more from college. Almost none of my co-residents were “norm” either.

Furthermore, based on my experience, I doubt OP is IM or FM bound. There is certainly a tendency for personality types to be attracted to different fields. I did not quite fit all the molds, but some I liked less than others (OB comes to mind). OP, based on his worries, is not looking to do primary care. In addition, medicine recruits individuals with resilience and grit. If your attitude is that one year will ruin your life, then I don’t feel you are resilient enough to make it to practice. You might go to medical school and drop out, graduate but not do residency or practice. It is a long road, and the only profession other than the clergy or army where you don’t (truly) choose where to go for training. So flexibility and resilience are key.

OP is a freshman in college. There is no difference between being 30 and practicing and being 31 and practicing. So, still unclear what you disagree with. Its a year. Medicine is a life long career. Hippocrates wrote, life is short and the art (medicine) is endless. So even 2000+ years ago, the advice was: don’t sweat a year.

You misunderstood: I was talking about the minimum.

An undergraduate degree is the norm for students of premed caliber, so the minimum beyond an undergraduate degree is 7 years.

You stated the minimum was 13-14 years, but that’s not the case.

Of course, the average is a few years higher. 9-11 years is probably a good “average” duration (4 years of medical school, 4-5 years of residency, 1-2 gap years before medical school).
 
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