Post-USUHS pay

[CarrieD]

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For a USUHS non-prior service student, do the "Years of Service" from the military pay charts act as you would expect them to for USUHS pay? I feel like I remember hearing that USUHS time doesn't count toward pay, but I don't remember if that was for retirement pay or normal base pay.

a) For example, based off the proposed 2013 pay chart at http://www.navycs.com/2013-military-pay-chart.html, if I started at USUHS in summer 2011, would my monthly pay go from $2876 to $2994 in summary 2013 once I completed 2 years?

b) Alternatively, if I had started in summer 2009, when I graduated in summer 2013, would my monthly base pay be $5117 as an O-3 with over 4 years of service?

Thanks!

 

[Cooperd0g]

For a USUHS non-prior service student, do the "Years of Service" from the military pay charts act as you would expect them to for USUHS pay? I feel like I remember hearing that USUHS time doesn't count toward pay, but I don't remember if that was for retirement pay or normal base pay.

a) For example, based off the proposed 2013 pay chart at http://www.navycs.com/2013-military-pay-chart.html, if I started at USUHS in summer 2011, would my monthly pay go from $2876 to $2994 in summary 2013 once I completed 2 years?

b) Alternatively, if I had started in summer 2009, when I graduated in summer 2013, would my monthly base pay be $5117 as an O-3 with over 4 years of service?

Thanks!

I'm pretty sure you are an O-1 less than 2 years for the duration of school and promote to O-3 less than 2 years upon graduation. The time does not count for time in service until you meet retirement eligibility.

 

[slipshade]

you do not accumulate longevity time in service for pay at USUHS, whether for regular pay or retirement pay. upon reaching 20 years, not including time spent at USUHS, your time at USUHS does count for computing your retirement multiplier.

for example, if you attend USUHS for 4 years and then retire after another 20 then your retirement pay is 60% of your average basic pay over your last three years of service. in other words, your retired pay = ((2/3 of basic pay at 18+ rate) + (1/3 basic pay at 16+ rate)) x (20 + 4 for years of service) x 2.5%

 

[CarrieD]

Shoot. That's what I thought it was. Thanks for the info!

 

[NavyFP]

you do not accumulate longevity time in service for pay at USUHS, whether for regular pay or retirement pay. upon reaching 20 years, not including time spent at USUHS, your time at USUHS does count for computing your retirement multiplier.

for example, if you attend USUHS for 4 years and then retire after another 20 then your retirement pay is 60% of your average basic pay over your last three years of service. in other words, your retired pay = ((2/3 of basic pay at 18+ rate) + (1/3 basic pay at 16+ rate)) x (20 + 4 for years of service) x 2.5%

Ah, but if you make O6 at 18 (which is fairly typical), you need to stay 3 years to keep it so it will be 2 years at 18+ and 1 at 20+

 

[Hook]

Most 20 year O-6s that I've met don't see staying an extra year to get three years of O-6 retired pay as their driving motivation for staying in. For most that stay beyond 20, it's either love of the work or a family issue like a kid in high school close to graduating that keeps them in a few more years.

 

[NavyFP]

Most 20 year O-6s that I've met don't see staying an extra year to get three years of O-6 retired pay as their driving motivation for staying in. For most that stay beyond 20, it's either love of the work or a family issue like a kid in high school close to graduating that keeps them in a few more years.

Under current conditions, in order to be allowed to retire as an O6, you must have 3 years time in grade or request a waiver. Hit or miss as to getting one. You can leave at 20 as an O5 (if they say no to a waiver) if all of your obligations are complete.

 

[TLAD123]

Digging out a year old thread... reply to last post - if you took the upgrade and before the start of the last year put in your intention to get out after time-in-grade is completed, they wouldn't move you would they? That would stink to have to move for one more year of service... unless they moved you to your desired retirement location... like say, Hawaii...

 

[colbgw02]

Digging out a year old thread... reply to last post - if you took the upgrade and before the start of the last year put in your intention to get out after time-in-grade is completed, they wouldn't move you would they? That would stink to have to move for one more year of service... unless they moved you to your desired retirement location... like say, Hawaii...

PCS orders typically carry an obligation with them, at least in the Army and Air Force they do. I would assume the same for Navy. It's usually 2 years for CONUS and 3 years for an OCONUS move. I know an AF O-6 in the position you describe, meaning he's trying desperately not to PCS, because then he can just extend for a year and retire. If they PCS him, then he'll have to stay an extra year. I've also seen exceptions to this policy (2-year Hawai'i assignment before ETSing), but they've always been worked out prospectively.

Frankly, I've never understood this. It seems like it could be used to keep someone in uniform indefinitely. The only thing that seems to keep them from doing this is bad publicity. I've also been told that you can try to refuse the orders if a PCS would extend you beyond your ETS date. I have no idea how that would work out, but I think it might raise enough of a to-do that you could get out of the orders.