Post your ROL!

[kcrd]

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Last year the psych applicants posted their ROL's and it was very interesting. Now that everything is finalized, would you guys be willing to post yours? Here is mine (obviously, I want to stay in Philadelphia):

1. Penn
2. Temple
3. Jefferson

 

[ahsa]

1. ucsd
2. longwood
3. brown
4. nyu
5. stanford
6. mt. sinai

 

[tangents]

1. Cornell
2. Longwood
3. Mt. Sinai
4. Brown
5. Einstein
6. LIJ
7. St. Luke's Roosevelt

 

[JerJer]

1. NYU
2. Longwood
3. Mt. Sinai
4. LIJ

 

[Boofus4L]

1. duke
2. unc
3. yale
4. musc
5. nyu
6. penn
7. baylor
8. hopkins
9. michigan
10.columbia
11.utsw
12. maryland

interviewed at but did not rank:
-emory
-cornell
-wash u.

 

[Bastos Envy]

1. University of Southern California
2. Northwestern
3. Georgetown
4. University of Illinois at Chicago
5. Rush University Medical Center
6. Case Western Reserve University
7. Saint Louis University

Interviewed but Did Not Rank or Declined Interview:
1. University of Colorado, Denver
2. University of Chicago
3. Washington University in St. Louis
4. University of Cincinnatti

 

[TTTTT]

MUSC
Mich
Duke
UNC
MGH/McLean
Longwood

 

[joteror]

PENN
LIJ
St Lukes
Beth Israel
U of Maryland
Jefferson
Robert Wood Johnson
Georgetown

 

[nortomaso]

1. duke
2. unc
3. yale
4. musc
5. nyu
6. penn
7. baylor
8. hopkins
9. michigan
10.columbia
11.utsw
12. maryland

interviewed at but did not rank:
-emory
-cornell
-wash u.

Curious why you guys didn't rank Washington U.

 

[Boofus4L]

Curious why you guys didn't rank Washington U.

though the pd was great and i REALLY liked the chairman (who spent 45 minutes talking to me!), the program was VERY research oriented. While I have done research in the past and I am seriously thinking about an academic career, I feel I would not get the breadth of therapy training that I want. The residents seemed friendly and happy and I really liked St. Louis, so it was a tough decision for me to drop it from my list. In the end, though, business is business.

 

[nortomaso]

though the pd was great and i REALLY liked the chairman (who spent 45 minutes talking to me!), the program was VERY research oriented. While I have done research in the past and I am seriously thinking about an academic career, I feel I would not get the breadth of therapy training that I want. The residents seemed friendly and happy and I really liked St. Louis, so it was a tough decision for me to drop it from my list. In the end, though, business is business.

Thanks for the reply Boofus. What specifically made you feel that you wouldn't receive broad enough clinical training?

 

[meisteckhart]

1. NYU
2. MGH/McLean
3. Columbia
4. Harvard Longwood
5. University of Illinois
6. Brown
7. Mt. Sinai
8. Boston University
9. University of Wisconsin - Madison
10. U Mass
11. Rush

Didn't rank: Harvard Southshore, Washington University, Tufts, Northwestern, University of Chicago, Beth Israel (New York)

3 weeks to go. Good luck everyone. 🙂

 

[Boofus4L]

Thanks for the reply Boofus. What specifically made you feel that you wouldn't receive broad enough clinical training?

well, on interview day everyone went out of their way to emphasize the fact that you could get great therapy training there... but in looking at their didactics schedule, it was all centered around neurotransmitters - which are great and all, but not solely what i want to learn about in residency 😉 when i asked the pd about this, he made a comment to the effect that they teach psychoanalytic theory in their "history of psychiatry" course. he then went on to say that of course i could get great therapy training - i would just have to seek it out on my own, via the analytic institute in st. louis.

this was the first program i went to, and i was all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and thought it was great. in comparing it to the places i visited subsequently, however, i realized it wasn't the right philosophy for me...

 

[nortomaso]

Thanks Boofus. I'd also be interested to here from the others here who mentioned that they interviewed at, but did not rank Wash U.

 

[kcrd]

If you haven't already, please post your ROL here... I know there are more psych applicants on the board than just the ones above! 😉

 

[jackiemanuel]

Because of the couple's match, I have no clue where I will go, but here is my list:

1. Cambridge
2. UPenn
3. Longwood
4. UNC
5. Yale
6. Colorado
7. Brown

Did not rank: Duke, UChicago

Best wishes to everyone... J.M.

 

[alina_s]

1. U. Washington
2. UCSF
3. U. New Mexico
4. Maine Medical Center
5. Harvard/Longwood
6. UCSF-Fresno
7. Stanford
8. UVM
9. UIC
10. U. Hawaii
11. U. Arizona

 

[psychMD2004]

1) Mount Sinai
2) NYU
3) UCSF
4) Yale
5) Cambridge
6) Brown
7) Cornell

 

[dolby]

1. MGH/McLean
2. Michigan
3. Johns Hopkins
4. UPenn
5. Stanford

 

[posternutbag]

1. duke
2. U. of Washington [seattle]
3. Penn
4. UCSF
5. Columbia
6. Robert Wood Johnson
7. U Va
8. Sinai
9. Maryland

Hey boofus, maybe we'll both be at Duke come July🙂

 

[almost done]

1) MGH/McLean
2) Penn
3) Yale
4) UCLA
5) Cornell
6) UCSF
7) Longwood
8) Columbia
9) NYU
10) Mt. Sinai
11) Hopkins
12) Brown
13) Einstein


Good luck to everyone

 

[Boofus4L]

1. duke
2. U. of Washington [seattle]
3. Penn
4. UCSF
5. Columbia
6. Robert Wood Johnson
7. U Va
8. Sinai
9. Maryland

Hey boofus, maybe we'll both be at Duke come July🙂

AWESOME - hope to meet you there! Nice to see other people ranking Duke #1 😀

 

[rkidavis]

1. Stanford
2. NYU
3. Longwood
4. Penn
5. Hopkins
6. Cedars
7. UCLA
8. UC Irvine
9. Northwestern

 

[msf123]

1)stanford
2)ucsd
3)longwood
4)u washington
5)ucla
6)uci
7)bu
8)cambridge

 

[Thewonderer]

Is it tough to get into Duke? What is the consensus over the grape vine right now? It seems that they did not fill a 3-4 years ago but their PI is soooo nice and seems to really care about resident education. Isn't their psych ER awesome? 🙂 🙂

AWESOME - hope to meet you there! Nice to see other people ranking Duke #1 😀

 

[Boofus4L]

Is it tough to get into Duke? What is the consensus over the grape vine right now? It seems that they did not fill a 3-4 years ago but their PI is soooo nice and seems to really care about resident education. Isn't their psych ER awesome? 🙂 🙂

psych residencies on the whole are not very difficult to get into... among the psych residencies, it is hardest to get into the ones in new york and boston, i would say. i think that is partly because the programs are genuinely strong and partly because people love new york and boston.

as far as duke is concerned, i'm really not sure how competitive it is. i don't think many people are in love with durham, which probably makes it less desirable... i ranked it #1 because it seemed to me to be a comprehensive, rigorous program with excellent facilities, very cool residents, and the nicest PD around. 😍 the word on the interview trail this year (at least my trail) was that the year the program didn't fill was shocking to everyone, and there haven't been any problems since. the program also seems to be attracting more and more very competitive candidates... lots of PDs, residents, and applicants on the trail used "up and coming". hope this helps! 🙂

 

[posternutbag]

I wound up ranking Duke 1st because I found their residents to be extremely dynamic- so many of them had serious interests/careers/achievements outside of the field of Psychiatry and medicine in general. Another strong point for me was the flexibility of the curriculum and all that 4th year elective time! The favulty members seemed genuinely interested in my researcch and were very receptive to helping me pursue it while at Duke. And of course, dr. Thrall is great.
As far as the competitiveness of the program- it is certainly not as competitive as the top NY, Boston, or CA programs, but i think a lot of that has to do with Durham! I almost didnt rank Duke #1 because of its location. But I do not feel that being a Duke trainee would be of any disadvantage whatsoever when applying for fellowships etc., as the strength of its program is widely recognized.
Best of luck to everyone🙂

 

[DrIng]

Hi everyone, It would be great for those of us who will be Scrambling (damn the three month delay in getting to do the CS) if you could say why you chose not to rank a program (i.e. are there things we should be aware of...)

 

[la_tortuga]

what does the 3 month delay in CS have to do with scrambling? I thought the whole point of doing a psychiatry residency, as opposed to derm or radiology, was to avoid scrambling. scramble- the word itself gives me the willies- although by far the best choice for egg preparation.

 

[tangents]

i am not taking cs until mid-may...neither is half my class. don't assume you will be scrambling unless you didn't apply on time. there are hardly any spots for cs which will get us scored on time to graduate, let alone prior to ROL submission. hope someone has not misinformed you about this and matching.

 

[DrIng]

The problem is that for IMG we had to do the CSA or CS. But there was a three month period in which there were no tests available which caused a huge backup, and because I'm an IMG you had to have done the CS by the end of December to get your score in time to participate in the Match.
Feeling a bit down about the whole process today to be honest. This year will be interesting combining all the CS problems for IMG's with the ever more stringent visa requirements make me suspect that there will be a lot more places in the Scramble this year than ever before, esp. for something like psychiatry which has such a large number of IMG's.

 

[tangents]

that stinks, sorry to hear that. best of luck to you--waiting sucks.

 

[Miklos]

The problem is that for IMG we had to do the CSA or CS. But there was a three month period in which there were no tests available which caused a huge backup, and because I'm an IMG you had to have done the CS by the end of December to get your score in time to participate in the Match.
Feeling a bit down about the whole process today to be honest. This year will be interesting combining all the CS problems for IMG's with the ever more stringent visa requirements make me suspect that there will be a lot more places in the Scramble this year than ever before, esp. for something like psychiatry which has such a large number of IMG's.

Sorry to hear about your CS misadventure. Hopefully, you'll be able to score a position in the scramble.

I'd be interested in hearing about programs that those participating in the match this year did not rank as well.

My reasons are slightly different than DrIng's, as I'm graduating off-cycle and will only be able to participate in the 2006 match. Also, if anyone out there knows of programs that offer spots outside the match and is willing to share them, I would be grateful.

Miklos

 

[posternutbag]

The problem is that for IMG we had to do the CSA or CS. But there was a three month period in which there were no tests available which caused a huge backup, and because I'm an IMG you had to have done the CS by the end of December to get your score in time to participate in the Match.
Feeling a bit down about the whole process today to be honest. This year will be interesting combining all the CS problems for IMG's with the ever more stringent visa requirements make me suspect that there will be a lot more places in the Scramble this year than ever before, esp. for something like psychiatry which has such a large number of IMG's.

One of the many problems with the new CS requirement has been the fact that now it is taking a much longer time for results to be in, which, for IMGs, has become a major problem. I know a numebr of IMGs who anticipated their results to come back in about 1 month; instead, it is often taking 3 months, and this, combined with the increasingly stringent visa regulations, has jeaopardized their participation in the match. In my opinion, this is bad for all of us and the field, because traditionally IMGs have contributed a great amount of knowledge, dedication, and enthusiasm to the field of Psychiatry. My question is this: how/when does an IMG find out about what programs are available for the scramble? Just curious.

 

[posternutbag]

Keep the ROLs coming guys! Peace🙂

 

[worriedwell]

1. Penn
2. Columbia
3. MGH/Mclean
4. NYU
5. Yale
6. Longwood
7. Mt. Sinai
8. Hopkins
9. University of Maryland


By the way, what percentage of people do you think get into one of their top three in psychiatry...it seems that most programs offer about 10 to 1 interviews to spots. So logically, you should be roughly guaranteed a spot if you get ten interviews (barring overwhelmingly poor interview performances). But beyond that, the same people tend to be competing for similar types of programs, so you'd think that as peoples preferences draw them in different directions, that it works itself out such that people probably land in one of their top 3-5 choices a very high proportion of the time.

I hope this post doesn't come across as offensive or entitled, because I realize I'd be blessed to train at any of the fine places that I had the fortune of being offered an interview. Just curious from people who had any opinions about how the numbers game plays out.

Also, does anyone have insider info on how deep programs go into their rank lists?

 

[JerJer]

While I don't have an official source to quote, I often hear people throw out 75-90% as the number of psychiatry applicants who match within their top 3 choices. Sorry for the imprecise answer to your question, but I figured any information would be better than no information. Any other thoughts? Best of luck to everyone on the 17th. I'm sure everyone will end up somewhere that will make them happy.

 

[soo]

I have to stay in the DC area for family reasons, so I applied only to two programs. I ranked Georgetown #1 and George Washington #2. I thought I would get solid training in either one, but felt like GT was a better fit for me overall.

 

[Big Lebowski]

By the way, what percentage of people do you think get into one of their top three in psychiatry...it seems that most programs offer about 10 to 1 interviews to spots. So logically, you should be roughly guaranteed a spot if you get ten interviews (barring overwhelmingly poor interview performances). But beyond that, the same people tend to be competing for similar types of programs, so you'd think that as peoples preferences draw them in different directions, that it works itself out such that people probably land in one of their top 3-5 choices a very high proportion of the time.

Of course it depends on how competitive you are and the quality of programs you are applying to. However, on average I would say most US grads get a program in their top 3. I went to a middle tier state medical school and had 13 people in my class go into psychiatry. Several people ranked highly competite programs. Most got their first choice, no one went lower than their second. The year before mine, their were 9 students and no one went below their second choice either. Programs that people matched into included Columbia and Harvard Longwood.

 

[Endochild]

Here is my list...
1. Yale
2. MGH
3. Columbia
4. UVM
5. UVA

Is everyone as anxious as I am about this Thursday...rather next thursday ... I'm curious about other people's thoughts about Yale...I noticed some of you ranked it somewhere and others not at all. I'd just like to know what influenced your decisions.
Thanks...

 

[Boofus4L]

Here is my list...
1. Yale
2. MGH
3. Columbia
4. UVM
5. UVA

Is everyone as anxious as I am about this Thursday...rather next thursday ... I'm curious about other people's thoughts about Yale...I noticed some of you ranked it somewhere and others not at all. I'd just like to know what influenced your decisions.
Thanks...

i really liked yale a lot. i thought the pd's were fantastic - down-to-earth, friendly, and committed to the residency program. i really liked how the program was structured to allow for ample elective time. their child program is stellar, and i thought the program provided a great balance between biology and psychodynamics.

my choice to rank yale #3 came down to geography and residents. i really disliked new haven. i had a particularly negative reaction to the city because the medical school i currently attend is in an ugly neighborhood, and i just couldn't see myself living in an area i don't like for another 4-6 years. having said that, there are lots of new haven aficionados out there! people love the city - it just isn't for me.

then there were the residents, who i didn't get an overly positive vibe from. the fact that only 3 residents showed up to the dessert party the night before the interview (including the resident throwing the party) concerned me. but again, this was a very personal experience. others have met residents that they really "clicked" with.

i am as anxious as you are about next week! but i wouldn't second-guess your number 1 choice at all. trust your instincts!

 

[lu2003]

I have to agree with Boofus, the residents just didn't seem that over-enthusiastic for me. But, again, that's a very personal and individual impression of the place. Also, I am very limited geographically and therefore did not end up ranking yale due to that reason rather than anything else. Only 1 week left!!! 😱

 

[Endochild]

Thank you for your reply! I don't really doubt the program...I battle with the location. I have actually been living in New Haven and really find it difficult to contend with, but I loved the program and the people and felt it was the right fit for me. I was actually more curious to see if it was New Haven (which I affectionately refer to as 'DUMP Haven') or the program which influenced people's decisions...and it's good to know that you didn't find too many flaws with the program itself. As for the residents, I had a positive experience, and given that I am involved in the dept. I've come to know many of them. I certainly think that many of them are detached and involved in their own circumstance, but given that the dept. is so large I think (hope) that I will find enough people to relate to and develop a solid rapport with.

In any event, thanks again for your reply! 7 days...I hope you get your number 1 choice.... 😀

 

[jackiemanuel]

For what it's worth, I was very impressed by the faculty and curriculum at Yale. I might very well have ranked it tops if not for three factors:

1. The residents seemed average.
2. My wife did not like her program (we're couples matching).
3. We wanted to live near family, and have none in the area.

I think New Haven is a fine place to live, and it broke my heart to not rank them more highly, so I wish all you future Elis happiness.

Best--

J.M.

 

[Endochild]

For what it's worth, I was very impressed by the faculty and curriculum at Yale. I might very well have ranked it tops if not for three factors:

1. The residents seemed average.
2. My wife did not like her program (we're couples matching).
3. We wanted to live near family, and have none in the area.

I think New Haven is a fine place to live, and it broke my heart to not rank them more highly, so I wish all you future Elis happiness.

Best--

J.M.

HI JM--Curious, in what way did you find the residents average? I actually thought the Yale residents were more motivated than many other groups I met, but I didn't interview all over the place. In any event, I certainly wish you and your wife end up happy wherever you both are...and I hope that's your top choice! GOOD LUCK

 

[tangents]

Interesting. I have been at interviews that I really really liked, and the person next to me would say that they hated it and thought everyone was boring....To each his own, thankfully for all of our different top choices!

 

[DrIng]

I'm curious to know why several people haven't ranked Harvard South Shore?

 

[Endochild]

I'm curious to know why several people haven't ranked Harvard South Shore?

I didn't interview there b/c I had heard rather bad reviews of the program and the residents happiness...having said that, I recognize that word of mouth reports are based on individual preferences. My contact had transferred from there feeling that they had spent time in the depths of hell and that was enough reason for me to interview elsewhere. Hopefully, others can address your question based on interview expereince! Good luck!

 

[brady]

My ROL is:

1. Columbia
2. NYU
3. Cornell
4. U-Washington
5. WPIC/UPittsburgh
6. Mt. Sinai
7. Yale
8. Baylor
9. GWU

I really would like to train in NY, which is how I chose my top 3 (obviously). To be honest, I didn't care much for Yale. I thought the residents were not as enthusiastic as residents at any of my top 6, and I wasn't so keen on the location. However, I think it is a great place to train for psych, and I really liked the PD (Belitsky). I'm sure people there are happy, but they didn't do such a hot job of displaying that to me. But, then again, I was also ultra picky when it came to my rank. Good luck everyone.

 

[meisteckhart]

I'm curious to know why several people haven't ranked Harvard South Shore?

Several reasons:

1) Didn't have the opportunity to meet with any residents
2) Didn't like the program director
3) Child psych there is poor
4) They didn't even give me time to eat lunch on my own in the middle of my interviews. (let alone actually providing me with lunch)
5) ###WARNING THIS IS UNCONFIRMED RUMOR### I was told by one of the residents at MGH, who is a friend of mine, that the program was being sued by a former resident due to maltreatment during their residency

Please don't take the last reason as fact since I haven't confirmed it independently. I really think a program that hides their residents is not one I would want to be at. I would rather not match and have to scramble than be at this program. Thus, I did not rank it.