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Practicing in Europe

Discussion in 'General International Discussion' started by PB, Mar 17, 2000.

  1. PB

    PB

    Hello, everyone,

    I'm curious what are the requirements to practice medicine in Europe. That's where I eventually would like to end up or at least have a position that allows me to go between the U.S. and Europe.
    Do you know if a person graduates from a medical school in Mexico, are they permitted to practice in Europe?
    Hope to hear from you soon!
    Thanks!
     
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  3. Matt the Medic

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    From what I understand, I don't think there are any barriers to practicing medicine in a different country than that in which you qualified. I have heard of many people who have qualified in England and moved on to practice medicine in other countries with very little difficulty. You may find it difficult to find a job in places such as Germany or France where there is a high unemployment rate for doctors. Less developed, eastern european countries are always looking for doctors, but living quality is not good, and they are usually far happier with volunteers. England (where I'm from) is desparately short of doctors, so you will easily find a job here. However, the most important thing to think of is whether you can speak fluently enough in the natural language of that country. Remember, that although most french people who go on holiday abroad can speak english, not all patients in a french hospital can. You'll certainly be asked as to what language qualifications you have, and may even require a specific degree. You'd be surprised how many people don't think of the language barrier. Believe me, I've spoken to people who have.

    Good luck with you're future.

    [This message has been edited by Matt the Medic (edited 03-20-2000).]
     
  4. Simul

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    I am in Denmark right now, and I know Scandinavian countries have some shortages of doctors, and they would easily take an American trained doctor (they'd probably fly em in overnight)... but Danish is a hard language, hehe.

    Anyway, I had a class on European Health Systems. If you think that HMOs shackle down doctors, wait till you see how social insurance or tax funded systems work. Not such a bad thing, because malpractice suits are virtually unheard of. Also, salaries are not nearly as high. A neurosurgeon in Denmark makes one million Danish crowns (aproximately 125,000 USD). Working hours are considerably less, and less stressful at that. Taxes are very high in Scandinvia - 60% about. Plus 25% sales tax (included in the prices of goods). The quality of life is extremely high, and the public is very satisfied, but an Americans who are afraid of any sort of state intervention or taxes would probably freak.

    I am just a study abroad student right now, but I would love to work here for a time as a physician, or in any other European country...

    Any questions, just write..
    Simul
     
  5. PB

    PB

    Hello,
    thanks for the information. Are you studying medicine in Denmark now? What other European countries would you think about practicing medicine in? What about Belgium or the Netherlands? I've been trying so hard to look into European schools, but the language seems to be the biggest problem. The schools that teach in English are set up specifically for foreigners a lot of times.
    Ultimately, I would love to study medicine somewhere in Europe and then eventually practice international medicine, maybe for an international heatlh organization. At this point, I don't know if any school in Europe (with a good reputation and for 4 years) is available to me, as an American.
    Comments?
    PB
     
  6. Fiona

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    St George's in London, UK do a four year course for graduates and they have a very good rep, but it doesn't solve any language problems for the rest of europe! Their website is at www.sghms.ac.uk - take a look (you want the GEP - grad entry programme).

    Fiona
     
  7. argonx

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    I don't think this is for Americans. The website at St. Gor. in London says thats it's aim is to train more english doctors.
    I think they take very few Americans into their program.
     
  8. Stephen Ewen

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    Here is the URL for the definitive book on practicing in Europe:
    http://yi.com/home/EysenbachGunther/medeuro.htm

    It is good to be aware that most of Erope is morre amply supplied with docs than even the US is. View the list of the woprld below and scan for Europe to see.


    Persons per Physician by Nation and Region in Descending Order


    Nation
    Region
    Persons per
    Physician
    Burkino Faso
    Africa
    57310

    Malawi
    Africa
    45740
    Mozambique

    Africa
    43536
    Rwanda
    Africa
    40610
    Niger
    Africa
    38500
    Ethiopia

    Africa
    32500
    Chad
    Africa
    30030
    Eritrea

    Africa
    28000
    Cambodia
    Asia
    27000
    Central African
    Republic
    Africa
    25890
    Tanzania
    Africa
    24970
    Zaire
    Africa
    23193
    Ghana
    Africa
    22970
    Uganda
    Africa
    20300
    Mali
    Africa
    19450
    Somalia
    Africa
    19071
    Ivory Coast
    Africa
    17847
    Senegal
    Africa
    17650
    Nepal
    Asia
    16830
    Lesotha
    Africa
    15728
    Angola
    Africa
    15136
    Gambia
    Africa
    14536
    Mauritania
    Africa
    13167
    Sierra Leone
    Africa
    13150
    Togo
    Africa
    12992
    Burundai
    Africa
    12190
    Cameroon
    Africa
    12190
    Benin
    Africa
    11306
    Comoros
    Africa
    11100
    Zambia
    Africa
    10920
    Kenya
    Africa
    10150
    Papua New Guinea
    Oceania
    9943
    Guinea
    Africa
    9732
    Sudan
    Africa
    9369
    Liberia
    Africa
    9324
    Bhutan
    Asia
    8969
    Madagascar
    Africa
    8120
    Philippines
    Asia
    8120
    Swaziland
    Africa
    7971
    Vanuatu
    Oceania
    7345
    Zimbabwe
    Africa
    7110
    Indonesia
    Asia
    7030
    Nigeria
    Africa
    6537
    Afghan.
    Asia
    6430
    Jamaica
    West Indies
    6159
    Haiti
    America
    6083
    Sri Lanka
    Asia
    5870
    Yemen
    Middle
    East
    5531
    Botswana
    Africa
    5417
    Maldives
    Asia
    5377
    Bangladesh
    Asia
    5264
    Djibouti
    Africa
    5258
    Cape Verde
    Africa
    4929
    Namibia
    Africa
    4610
    Kiribati
    Oceania
    4483
    Mauritius
    Africa
    4415
    Thailand
    Asia
    4360
    Congo
    Africa
    3873
    Equatorial Guinea
    Africa
    3622
    Samoa
    Oceania
    3584
    Solomon Islands
    Oceania
    3584
    Western Samoa
    Oceania
    3584
    Laos
    Asia
    3555
    Burma
    Asia
    3389
    Guinea Bissau
    Africa
    3262
    Honduras
    C America
    3090
    Micronesia
    Oceania
    3084
    Pakistan
    Asia
    2940
    Vietnam
    Asia
    2843
    S Tome & P
    Africa
    2819
    St. Vincent
    West Indies
    2690
    Iran
    Middle
    East
    2685
    Guyana
    S America
    2552
    St. Lucia
    West Indies
    2521
    India
    Asia
    2460
    Fiji
    Oceania
    2438
    Malaysia
    Asia
    2410
    Guatemala
    C America
    2356
    Tuvalu
    Oceania
    2261
    Marshall Islands
    Oceania
    2217
    Tokelau
    Oceania
    2217
    Tonga
    Oceania
    2130
    Bolivia
    S America
    2124
    Gabon
    Africa
    2000
    Dominica
    West Indies
    1947
    Iraq
    Middle
    East
    1922
    Nicaragua
    C America
    1882
    Tunisia
    Africa
    1870
    Belize
    West Indies
    1708
    Grenada
    West Indies
    1617
    Trinidad
    West Indies
    1543
    Tobago
    West Indies
    1543
    Nevis
    West Indies
    1498
    Brunei Dar
    Asia
    1473
    Suriname
    S America
    1348
    Antigua & Barbuda
    West Indies
    1330
    El Salvador
    C America
    1322
    Egypt
    Africa
    1320
    South Africa
    Africa
    1271
    Paraguay
    S America
    1250
    Turkey
    Middle
    East
    1180
    Oman
    Middle
    East
    1078
    South Korea
    Asia
    1070
    Algeria
    Africa
    1062
    Colombia
    S America
    1061
    Syria
    Middle
    East
    1037
    Liechtenst
    Europe
    1007
    Peru
    S America
    997
    Seychelles
    Africa
    992
    Ecuador
    S America
    980
    Bahrain
    Middle
    East
    953
    Dominican Republic
    C America
    934
    Chile
    S America
    895
    Malta
    Europe
    890
    Panama
    C America
    840
    Jordan
    Middle
    East
    813
    Taiwan
    C Asia
    802
    Mexico
    C America
    800
    Costa Rica
    C America
    798
    Lebanon
    Middle
    East
    771
    Singapore
    Asia
    711
    Nauru
    Oceania
    700
    Libya
    Africa
    690
    Brazil
    S America
    685
    Ireland
    Europe
    681
    Qatar
    Middle
    East
    660
    China
    Asia
    648
    Hong Kong
    Asia
    648
    Tibet
    Asia
    648
    Switzerland
    Europe
    630
    United Arab Emirates
    Middle
    East
    618
    United King
    Europe
    611
    Japan
    Asia
    610
    Venezuela
    S America
    590
    Albania
    Europe
    574
    Romania
    Europe
    560
    Yugoslavia
    Europe
    533
    Saudi Arabia
    Middle
    East
    523
    Kuwait
    Middle
    East
    515
    Andorra
    Europe
    502
    Slovenia
    Europe
    496
    Monaco
    Europe
    490
    Poland
    Europe
    490
    Cyprus
    Middle
    East
    478
    Luxembourg
    Europe
    469
    Canada
    N America
    450
    Australia
    Oceania
    438
    Macedonia
    Europe
    420
    Finland
    Europe
    406
    Netherlands
    Europe
    400
    Sweden
    Europe
    395
    Mongolia
    Asia
    380
    San Marino
    Europe
    375
    North Korea
    Asia
    370
    Tajikistan
    Asia
    362
    Denmark
    Europe
    360
    New Zealand
    Oceania
    359
    Croatia
    Europe
    356
    Iceland
    Europe
    355
    France
    Europe
    350
    Portugal
    Europe
    348
    Israel
    Middle
    East
    345
    Hungary
    Europe
    344
    United States
    N America
    341
    Uruguay

    S America
    341
    Argentina
    S America
    340
    Bahamas
    C America
    340
    Barbados
    C America
    340
    Slovakia
    Europe
    328
    Bulgaria
    Europe
    320
    Czech Republic
    Europe
    311
    Belgium
    Europe
    310
    Norway
    Europe
    305
    Cuba
    C America
    303
    Greece
    Europe
    303
    Germany
    Europe
    293
    Uzbekistan
    Asia
    290
    Latvia
    Europe
    275
    Turkmenistan
    Asia
    274
    Kyrgyzstan
    Asia
    271
    Spain
    Europe
    257
    Azerbaijan
    Asia
    255
    Kazakhstan
    Asia
    250
    Belarus
    Europe
    250
    Moldova
    Europe
    250
    Armenia
    Asia
    246
    Austria
    Europe
    230
    Ukraine
    Europe
    230
    Lithuania
    Europe
    220
    Russia
    Asia
    210
    Estonia
    Europe
    210
    Italy
    Europe
    210
    Georgia
    Asia
    170
     
  9. Fiona

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    The GEP at St George's is for any graduates - they would probably expect you the practice in the UK though (after all, it is england that is short of docs...) You could lie about where you intend to practice... although I wouldn't recommend it wholeheartedly!
     

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