Pre match for MLK?

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Biologyman

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Hi, I am new to the forum. Does anyone know if Martin Luther King EM program accepts people outside of match? How many people do they interview, what is their USMLE cut off? I really want to go there.. Any advice for matchnig there?

Thanks for your input! 😳
 
Gen Veers is a resident there... I am sure that soon enough he will be able to provide meaningful answers to your Qs.

BTW why do you really want to go there? Do you know that much about the program?
 
EctopicFetus said:
BTW why do you really want to go there? Do you know that much about the program?

*sigh* EM's favorite punching bag
 
Ceez said:
*sigh* EM's favorite punching bag

I think he just means why that specific program. I mean, there are multiple reasons (parents went there, specific location wanted), but ectopic just wanted to know.

and to the OP, not sure if they prematch any spots. I think this is mainly an option anyways if you are a foreign grad....and still haven't heard many em programs doing it...
 
Dude.. Ceez I think you misunderstood me....

JackBauer got it right.. I have nothing but respect for all EM programs. My future PD is a grad from there.

Many people look at some programs whose reputation might be a little tarnished and just say.. "ohh I want to go there because I know i can get in".

If the OP stated good reasons for wanting to go there thats fine but from his comments it appears he probably either really just wants to get into EM (and falsely (IMO) believes that MLK is desperate or really wants to do EM in SoCal and he thinks that this is his best shot.

Im just curious why. Veers and others on here know I have never bad mouthed ANY EM program..

As far as prematching I dont think EM does it because they dont have to. After the scramble every program filled (Drexel had an open spot due to someone withdrawing) so why limit yourself if you are an EM program.
 
"If the OP stated good reasons for wanting to go there thats fine but from his comments it appears he probably either really just wants to get into EM (and falsely (IMO) believes that MLK is desperate or really wants to do EM in SoCal and he thinks that this is his best shot. "


I want to do EM very much, and I like the location, I have family in LA. Is that not a good enough reason to apply to this program? Is this the wrong reason to apply? What kind of reason do I need to apply to this program?
 
I dont think that going to a city because you have family there is wrong. Rather I think that saying that that is the one program is questionable. There are 4-5 programs in SoCal... Thats all I am saying...
 
EctopicFetus said:
I dont think that going to a city because you have family there is wrong. Rather I think that saying that that is the one program is questionable. There are 4-5 programs in SoCal... Thats all I am saying...

exactly why I was wondering why you specifically mentioned MLK. I think every program has its plus/minus (yadda yadda yadda). It was just interesting why you mentioned MLK, and not the few others that are in or around LA. Family is definitely a strong reason to pick a residency program....but good for you there are like 4 schools there (maybe more, too lazy to check on SAEM).
 
Biologyman said:
"If the OP stated good reasons for wanting to go there thats fine but from his comments it appears he probably either really just wants to get into EM (and falsely (IMO) believes that MLK is desperate or really wants to do EM in SoCal and he thinks that this is his best shot. "


I want to do EM very much, and I like the location, I have family in LA. Is that not a good enough reason to apply to this program? Is this the wrong reason to apply? What kind of reason do I need to apply to this program?

Ok, let's all stop beating around the bush -- I feel terrible for Biologyman, it is as if we're trying to get him to read between the lines or worse, as if we're making some subtle inferences about MLK.

First -- Bilogyman -- please don't take our defensiveness to heart. We who are in EM always get a little touchy when the topic of weak/strong programs come up in EM because we feel (apologies for representing the collective here) that there are so few programs compared to, say, IM and the regulations by the governing body (Resident review committee our RRC) are so stringent, that there are no bad or perfect programs -- we tend to emphasize the perfect "fit" for each individual. For that reason, you need no other reason to apply to any given EM program other than that you are interested. Full stop. Many have ranked a program #1 that they didn't think was going to be their fit until they interviewed.

I hasten to point out that the OP never brought up the issue of weak/strong program. But it is that issue that the rest of the posters have been dancing around, BioMan. MLK had some problems IN THE PAST that I believe were related to things like non-EM boarded attendings. This is likely an oversimplification because I don't know much about MLK. There are posters here who do, however. The point is, some may have been assuming that you wanted MLK because the potential is there for a given applicant to think that MLK is an "easy match" because of the assumption among some people that previous problems = current problems = desparate to get residents. All would be patently bad assumptions. You will encounter the same concerns from some people regarding "new" programs, and "new" is a relative term.

My advice? You are on the right track. Apply where you want, for whatever reason you want. Make your own (informed) decision. And don't mind us (slightly) seasoned posters who might misinterpret or who may indeed be misinterpreted in return in our responses. I can tell you that anyone I would meet at a conference, for example, gets a firm look in the eye, a strong handshake, and my mutual respect regardless of which program he/she is at.
 
Ceez said:
*sigh* EM's favorite punching bag


Oh, not just EM...MLK may be the worst run hospital in the US, certainly in California. Even the LA times says so.....
 
their step 1 cutoff is 220. I still believe they fill the program without needing to do out-of -match contracts..
 
They had 6 scramble spots though...only 1/2 filled in the match as per Gen Veers IIRC their cutoff was 225 but had too few interviews.

I will also say that the 225 must not have been a firm cut off cause I was offered an interview in Sept with below that...
 
EctopicFetus said:
They had 6 scramble spots though...only 1/2 filled in the match as per Gen Veers IIRC their cutoff was 225 but had too few interviews.

I will also say that the 225 must not have been a firm cut off cause I was offered an interview in Sept with below that...

same here..but they stated that since they changed PD's they were looking for more all around applicants, and were going to test out not going strictly by the step scores (at least that was the info I was given haha)
 
JackBauERfan said:
same here..but they stated that since they changed PD's they were looking for more all around applicants, and were going to test out not going strictly by the step scores (at least that was the info I was given haha)

by the way, where is 'the general' when you need him. hmm, he's been slacking lately, wonder if somethings going on in LA. Let me go check cnn.
 
flighterdoc said:
Oh, not just EM...MLK may be the worst run hospital in the US, certainly in California. Even the LA times says so.....

:laugh: :laugh: LA Times = Word of god

I believe everything the media tells me. 🙄

(Not trying to start anything, I am just amusing myself. Don't mind me, I will dance in the corner by myself.)
 
flighterdoc said:
Oh, not just EM...MLK may be the worst run hospital in the US, certainly in California. Even the LA times says so.....

orstein is the writer from the l.a. times that writes all the negative publicity for mlk. that guy is an obsessed bully and in some of his recent articles he lashes out like a passive-aggressive ****** because mlk lawfully does not grant him with certain data. in a sense, it was for the benefit of the hospital that it was in the spotlight because now they are fixing problems, but trust me, if you put all county hospitals in large metropolitan areas under the microscope, i promise you'll find problems worth writing home about.

don't take everything u read in the l.a. times at face value.
 
trkd said:
:laugh: :laugh: LA Times = Word of god

I believe everything the media tells me. 🙄

(Not trying to start anything, I am just amusing myself. Don't mind me, I will dance in the corner by myself.)

Actually, it seems as if the LA Times is the country's worse run newspaper. They seem to be a cross between "Geraldo At Large" and "Hollywood Insider/Entertainment Tonight." It's all fluff and drama without substance.
 
Ceez said:
Actually, it seems as if the LA Times is the country's worse run newspaper. They seem to be a cross between "Geraldo At Large" and "Hollywood Insider/Entertainment Tonight." It's all fluff and drama without substance.

the L.A. times is best used when recycled into something else.
 
Ceez said:
Actually, it seems as if the LA Times is the country's worse run newspaper. They seem to be a cross between "Geraldo At Large" and "Hollywood Insider/Entertainment Tonight." It's all fluff and drama without substance.

Have you ever read the New York Post, or the New York Daily News?

And, Lord forgive me please for even mentioning this, but FD is espousing the LA Times, but thinks the New York Times is a worthless rag not worth the paper it's printed on.
 
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