Preliminary Match?

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I am looking at some of the caribbean schools match lists and I keep seeing.

General Surgery
Surgery - Preliminary
and I think it's transitional-surgery or something like that.

What's the difference?

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Prelim spots are your worst nightmare.

A prelim spot only guarantees you one year at a program, and does not promise that you will advance to the PGY-2 year and beyond. Typically programs will have many more prelim spots than PGY-2 spots, meaning that most of their interns will have to go somewhere else after their intern year.

There are basically two reasons people get prelim (as opposed to categorical) spots in the match:

1) They want to do Radiology or some other program that requires them to do a gen surg intern year (or Transitional).

2) They wanted a Categorical General Surgery spot, but didn't get it. These folks take prelim spots in the hopes that they can impress people and get into a categorical program the following year.

All of the above also applies to Prelim Medicine spots as well.
 
Agree with Tired, but I just wanted to point out that prelim years are required for several competative specialties besides rads (eg. gas, derm, ophtho), so if you see someone matching a prelim year along with something competative, realize that it is perfunctory and not because the student sucks.

I actually want to do a prelim year at a different place than the categorical residency I'm interested in.
 
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Agree with Tired, but I just wanted to point out that prelim years are required for several competative specialties besides rads (eg. gas, derm, ophtho), so if you see someone matching a prelim year along with something competative, realize that it is perfunctory and not because the student sucks.

Yeah, you're right. I had forgotten which other specialties required it. Once I found out Ortho went to a categorical internship, I pretty much zoned-out on the Transitional and Prelim spots.
 
I had two classmates who matched into their first choice categorical programs, then had to do the Scramble for their prelim spots. So weird.
 
Okay, that makes sense.

Are there prelims for the following:

Cardio-Thoracic Surgery
Trauma Surgery
 
Okay, that makes sense.

Are there prelims for the following:

Cardio-Thoracic Surgery
Trauma Surgery

There might be a handful programs that let you become a CT or Trauma Surgeon directly (categorical positions). But you have to do a fellowship after GS in order to get those titles. best ask or search in the residency forums...
 
There are some places which are offering integrated CT programs, but those are categorical. Trauma is a fellowship after general surgery (CT usually is, too).

For the moment, focus on prelim surgery vs. categorical surgery. A categorical surgery match means that the program commits to you for 5 years (academic programs add 2 additional lab years). As long as you perform at some basic level of competency and don't quit, you are going to a board eligable surgeon at the end of that program. A prelim surgery spot is a single year commitment by the program, at which point you have to figure out what to do next -- options include staying at the same program for a second prelim year (again, no commitment from the program for beyond that year), transitioning to a categorical spot at the same program or at a different program (the program makes a commitment to you for the duration of your training; they may require you to repeat your intern year), switching to a categorical program in which one matches after the first year (for example, you can go into anesthesia). The important thing to realize is that you might be left hanging with no where to go after your preliminary surgery year -- it's possible none of those options open up to you.

Transitional years, like preliminary surgery years, don't come with a commitment beyond that one year. However, they tend to be a lot more cush, i.e., you rotate with a few months of surgery, a few months of medicine, some elective time, and so on. They're harder to get than prelim surgery. Usually the people who get them also had a match into something like anesthesia, where you have to do an internship in something before you start the anesthesia program.
Best,
Anka
 
What's the longest you've ever heard of someone staying on as a prelimary spot...

For example if General Surgery is 5 year residency.

Have anyone stayed preliminary for 5 years and that makes they board eligible. Or would they just have done the internship 5 times?

If the second statement is true. I mean, if I really wanted it, and I didn't have any rush, could I just keep doing the preliminary year until I was the best possible choice for the categorical spot?

I looked at some match lists yesterday and if I understood correctly some specialties (like neurosurgery) had only like 50 available spots last year. (is that right?) Well, if someone ONLY wanted to be a neurosurgeon, could they just keep taking the preliminary year of surgery and keep reapplying to the Neurosurgery specialty??? Whats the longest you've ever heard anyone doing this.
 
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