Preliminary Surgery

[thatguyagain]

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As in incoming MSI striving to become a surgeon, I have one simple question.

What is the deal with the Prelimiary Surgery residency?
It sounds to me like it is the equivalent of limbo. Should it be feared?

 

[Misterioso]

As in incoming MSI striving to become a surgeon, I have one simple question.

What is the deal with the Prelimiary Surgery residency?
It sounds to me like it is the equivalent of limbo. Should it be feared?

Prelim surgery is either designated or undesignated.

Designated prelims have another residency (for example ENT, ortho, anesthesiology) already lined up to enter after they complete their prelim year.

Undesignated prelims don't have another residency lined up to go into after their 1-2 prelim years. They use their prelim residency to hopefully transfer into a categorical surgery position at the same program or another program.

So designated prelims are not in "limbo" since they have a residency to go to after their prelim year, but undesignated prelims can be thought to be since they're not guaranteed anything after their prelim year is over.

 

[NJ-MDdoc]

Prelim surgery is either designated or undesignated.

Designated prelims have another residency (for example ENT, ortho, anesthesiology) already lined up to enter after they complete their prelim year.

Undesignated prelims don't have another residency lined up to go into after their 1-2 prelim years. They use their prelim residency to hopefully transfer into a categorical surgery position at the same program or another program.

So designated prelims are not in "limbo" since they have a residency to go to after their prelim year, but undesignated prelims can be thought to be since they're not guaranteed anything after their prelim year is over.

Designated Prelim – should not even be called prelim, they are on the path for sub-specialty. They are only completing the pre-requisite to the field they are going into.

“Undesignated” Prelim – is definitely a LIMBO, To get out of this limbo they have to convince the program director and/or chairman that they are better than the categorical resident, and that the categorical resident should not be advance or fired. The other less attractive way out of this limbo is to find another categorical position in a different program.




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http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=251592
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Results of medical exam are under investigation
Monday, September 26, 2005
BY ANGELA STEWART
Star-Ledger Staff
The probe, which began in mid-August, focuses on the hospital's surgical training department and the facility's director of surgery, Rolando Rolandelli, according to Robert Rhodes, associate executive director of the board.

 

[toxic-megacolon]

Should it be feared?

Yes.

 

[thatguyagain]

Prelim surgery is either designated or undesignated.

Designated prelims have another residency (for example ENT, ortho, anesthesiology) already lined up to enter after they complete their prelim year.

Undesignated prelims don't have another residency lined up to go into after their 1-2 prelim years. They use their prelim residency to hopefully transfer into a categorical surgery position at the same program or another program.

So designated prelims are not in "limbo" since they have a residency to go to after their prelim year, but undesignated prelims can be thought to be since they're not guaranteed anything after their prelim year is over.

Oh yea. Sorry, I asked a stupid question. I definately knew that. Thanks for the help though

 

[Misterioso]

“Undesignated” Prelim – is definitely a LIMBO, To get out of this limbo they have to convince the program director and/or chairman that they are better than the categorical resident, and that the categorical resident should not be advance or fired. The other less attractive way out of this limbo is to find another categorical position in a different program.

Undesignated prelims don't necessarily have to convince anybody that a categorical resident should not advance. What's more common is that if a prelim resident proves himself/herself while doing their PGY1 or PGY2, they may be offered a categorical spot at the same program or another program back at PGY1. Which means they have to start all over again, but in the categorical track.

 

[locitamd]

Undesignated prelims can also move into a catgeorical spot when another resident wants to go into/stay in the lab.

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

Could the designated pre-lim be considered the equivalent of an "intern" year?

 

[toxic-megacolon]

Could the designated pre-lim be considered the equivalent of an "intern" year?

Yes.