Premed senior thinking about going predent

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Hi,

I am unfortunately one of those people who realized too late that maybe medicine isn't really for me, because of lifestyle issues and would rather be a dentist.

I'm also an international student at a US undergrad.

Can someone help me out with getting information on where to start looking for information to help out with the switching from premed as a senior?

Specifically, I'd like to know:

1. what kind of extracurricular activites should I be looking for?
2. What should my GPA be for a more prestigious school like UPenn?
3. How do I explain to the admissions committee my switching from premed to predent?
4. How does the DAT compare to the MCAT (which I've already taken)?

Thanks for everyone's help. I just realized now that medicine might not be what would make me happy in the future, and that perhaps the lifestyle of a dentist with more time for family is what I'd like.
 
First, off welcome to SDN-Dental Forum.

Congrats on making a decision to switch. However, do you even know if it's the right decision ? Have you ever volunteered in a dental office or clinic or do you think that dentistry is just an easier form of medicine with a better lifestyle?

You MUST volunteer in order to know what you want to do in life. Simply, saying that medicine will take up too much time and dentistry is less time consuming and stressful is not how to chose a career.

As for your questions:

1. what kind of extracurricular activites should I be looking for?
- None in particular; whichever make you happy and allow you to have a good time. However, you can try extracurriculars involving manual dexterity such as ceramics, or drawing, or things of that nature in order to help you to attain some skills with working with your hands.

2. What should my GPA be for a more prestigious school like UPenn?

Here is a link to stats from 2004 on all of the schools:
http://dentalstats.tripod.com/index.htm

3. How do I explain to the admissions committee my switching from premed to predent?

Be true! If you say that you don't want to be a doctor but instead want to be a dentist then you should be able to answer this question without a problem. I'm sorry but if you need others to tell you what to answer then you are not ready to make a switch to a profession or for that matter to dentistry.

4. How does the DAT compare to the MCAT (which I've already taken)?

The DAT is similar to the MCAT only in terms of the Biology, General Chemistry and Organic Chemistry material that must be covered. However, the questions are straight forward (no reading of passages in order to answer questions, except for the reading comprehension offcourse).

This link will provide you will a more detailed description of the DAT:
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/preparation.asp

GOOD LUCK to you!!!
 
oli84 said:
...1. what kind of extracurricular activites should I be looking for?
2. What should my GPA be for a more prestigious school like UPenn?
3. How do I explain to the admissions committee my switching from premed to predent?
4. How does the DAT compare to the MCAT (which I've already taken)?...

First off, welcome to SDN's Dental Forums. As you already have discovered there are a lot of positives associated with a career in dentistry. There are also headaches and issues, much like any other job, too. With that said I would encourage you to shadow a couple of dentists and get some time in with them. Observe their routine, ask them about school, what drew them to the profession, what they consider the drawbacks/challenges to be, and so forth. This will come in handy not only as a means to clarify certain decisions for yourself but also a way to demonstrate to adcoms that you have 'done' your homework and your decision is based on research and analysis versus an emotional, quick change of heart.

1. Extracurricular activities are not a required element for most dental schools. That's not to suggest that having them is not of value. Schools are interested in not just filling seats for their class but attracting the best candidates that match their mission and philosophy and will contribute to their little community. Past extracurriculars are one way for a school to guage the future performance and interests of a candidate. What interests you? What issues engage you on a personal and professional level? In my opinion the value of extra-curricular activities and other involvements and pursuits outside of the classroom is not so much the actual activity as it is the passion and commitment a candidate can cultivate and which can be later directed in their life as both a student and professional. For example Case likes to see athletes (and varsity falls under the heading of extracurricular activities) apply as they feel the regiment, training, and commitment needed to seriously engage in sports can be easily focused in their lives as dental students. In short, although not required, extracurriculars can give an adcom a window into your interests as a person and through it they might see something that makes you a perfect fit for their program. The sky is the limit.

2. Although the average gpa for matriculating dental students is somewhat lower than their medical counterparts, that should not suggest that dental school is not competitive in this area. Recently, a lot of students from different areas of academia and pre-professional paths have been switching over to dentistry for various reasons. I believe this trend is partly responsible for the increase in average gpa's and thus what an increase in what is considered a competitive gpa. For example, Penn's average matriculating gpa has been climbing for the past few years and I believe that one around 3.5 - 3.6 for both science and overall gpa's would get your foot in Penn's door.

3. Be honest, but also be sincere. If you mention that you switched from pre-med to pre-dental expect to be questioned on the move. I am sure adcoms have heard every answer you could possibly throw at them so make sure that whatever response you give it demonstrates a knowledge about the profession, any realistic expectations you may have, and why a career in dentistry would better enable you to reach your personal and professional goals. (This is where shadowing and extracurriculars can help you out).

4. The DAT is a four and a half hour long computerized exam. Unlike the MCAT, which can only be taken on select days during the year, the DAT can be scheduled virtually any day of the year. The major sections of the test are biology, general chemistry, organic chemistry, the dreaded Perceptual Ability Test (which many people discover is harder than what they expected), reading comprehension, and quantitative reasoning. The DAT does not test you over physics, no critical writing is required, and the format differs from the MCAT. I suggest that you go to your local Borders or Barnes and Noble and pick up a copy of Kaplan's blue DAT review book. They have outlined all of the information in the order in which it is presented in the actual DAT, and some sections such as general and organic chemistry contain all of the information you will need to know. If you did well on the MCAT and developed a good study routine then the DAT should be a bit easier for you.

Best of luck in your decision! 👍
 
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1 - get enough shadowing in, it looks great and you'll make sure it's really what you want to do.

2 - high

3 - In one of my interviews I explained why I didn't want to go into medicine anymore - better lifestyle, time with family, etc. The interviewer agreed with me 100% and it seemed like he was proud of me for being so wise, so just be straight up.

4 - No essays (woohoo!) Make sure to hit the PAT sections when you study, other than that if you were ready for the MCAT you should do fine.
 
oli84 said:
Hi,

I am unfortunately one of those people who realized too late that maybe medicine isn't really for me, because of lifestyle issues and would rather be a dentist.

I'm also an international student at a US undergrad.

Can someone help me out with getting information on where to start looking for information to help out with the switching from premed as a senior?

Specifically, I'd like to know:

1. what kind of extracurricular activites should I be looking for?
2. What should my GPA be for a more prestigious school like UPenn?
3. How do I explain to the admissions committee my switching from premed to predent?
4. How does the DAT compare to the MCAT (which I've already taken)?

Thanks for everyone's help. I just realized now that medicine might not be what would make me happy in the future, and that perhaps the lifestyle of a dentist with more time for family is what I'd like.


Just admit it, you're werent good enough to get into medical school :laugh: , that is why you're thinking of dentistry. I hope you don't get in, I'm getting tired of premeds using dentistry as a backup,
 
Blackstars said:
Just admit it, you're werent good enough to get into medical school :laugh: , that is why you're thinking of dentistry. I hope you don't get in, I'm getting tired of premeds using dentistry as a backup,

That's an unqualified statement and an insecure presumption. Please find another outlet besides SDN for your frustrations.
 
Agreed. That was a stupid post. I bet that if one were to poll current dentists/dental students and find out how many chose dentistry as a backup plan it would be >1%. My family physician told me I was smart in CHOOSING dentistry over medicine and wished he would have done the same.
 
Sprgrover said:
That's an unqualified statement and an insecure presumption. Please find another outlet besides SDN for your frustrations.



Maybe you were unqualified for posting to his post.

Has his assumption been disproven.

So it seems to me that you jumped on an assumption quickly just as well making yourself no better.

One may say that you need to find another outlet for your frustrations in disliking others posts.

So I dont see how you are any better. That guy may be right. Seems like the majority of people wanting to go to dental school are med school failures. That seems to be the norm in my opinion.
 
There was no assumption for me to "jump" on as Blackstars' post is blatantly mean-spirited and serves no useful purpose. Nowhere in my post do I state nor hint that I am anyway better than anyone else. My frustration lies not with the people exercising their right to change their mind but rather with those individuals that seek to deride them when they seek advice and encouragement. Disagreement is expected on these forums, but so is respect. SDN has some ground rules called the Terms of Service (TOS) and it is expected that all guests and members abide by them if they are going to post and contribute to the SDN community. Best of luck in your endeavors.
 
Honestly folks, if he thinks he can get into "a more prestigious school like UPenn", don't you think he's confident that he can get into some med school somewhere, if he wanted? UPenn isn't easy but it sounds like that's what he's shooting for. In my opinion that's enough to make Sprgrover's statement "qualified" and blackstar's post "unqualified"
 
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oli84 said:
Hi,

I am unfortunately one of those people who realized too late that maybe medicine isn't really for me, because of lifestyle issues and would rather be a dentist.

1. what kind of extracurricular activites should I be looking for?
2. What should my GPA be for a more prestigious school like UPenn?
3. How do I explain to the admissions committee my switching from premed to predent?
4. How does the DAT compare to the MCAT (which I've already taken)?

First of all, I made exactly the same decision just a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier! Ok, to answer your questions:

1. Shadow a dentist ASAP or find a job in a dental office. Just this morning, I went looking for a dentist to shadow and ended up finding a job as a dental assistant. It seems like dentists are much more willing to have people shadowing than MDs.

2. As high as you can get it. I'd say at least above a 3.4

3. I went through the same anxiety! I already have all my LORs in for medical school and the committee was in the process of writing a composite letter to be mailed out to med schools. I thought if I told them this late, they'd write me off as a nutcase who didn't know what she wanted. But I had to do it so I wrote my advisor a very detailed email (go in person if you can... I just happen to be 1000s of miles away) explaining all my reasons for choosing dentistry over medicine. She wrote me back immediately and told me it was no problem!

4. I don't know much about the DAT yet because I am still taking the MCAT in April. I figure it won't hurt to get a score on that... and since I've studied so hard for it and already registered... I have nothing to lose. I hear the DAT science section is easier: No passages, just straightforward "discretes"... and no physics. Reading comprehension is more straightforward, too.. though the passages are longer with something like 16-17 questions after each one. Then there is a math section and a "Perceptual Ability Test". I don't know too much about those yet.

Hope that helps.. Good Luck :luck:
 
Blackstars said:
Just admit it, you're werent good enough to get into medical school :laugh: , that is why you're thinking of dentistry. I hope you don't get in, I'm getting tired of premeds using dentistry as a backup,


😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴

Do you ever write about anything else?
 
Blackstars said:
Just admit it, you're werent good enough to get into medical school :laugh: , that is why you're thinking of dentistry. I hope you don't get in, I'm getting tired of premeds using dentistry as a backup,
I wouldn't pay too much attention to a guy who knocks-up some girl from Columbia and proudly refuses to marry her.

Blackstars = troll.
 
toofache32 said:
I wouldn't pay too much attention to a guy who knocks-up some girl from Columbia and proudly refuses to marry her.

Blackstars = troll.[/QUOTE

Nice spelling of colombia, dumbo :laugh:
 
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Nice spelling of colombia, dumbo :laugh:[/QUOTE]

😕 Uh, he spelled it right. This is from their website: Columbia University
 
USUaggie said:
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Nice spelling of colombia, dumbo :laugh:

😕 Uh, he spelled it right. This is from their website: Columbia University[/QUOTE]

Yup, that was def. a funny error on blackstar. I love when people try correcting things that are right to begin with, and then they look foolish as they are wrong :laugh:
 
nothen2do said:
😕 Uh, he spelled it right. This is from their website: Columbia University

Yup, that was def. a funny error on blackstar. I love when people try correcting things that are right to begin with, and then they look foolish as they are wrong :laugh:[/QUOTE]

Hey Dumbo's, he was referring to the country colombia not the school :laugh:
 
USUaggie said:
.[/QUOTE

Nice spelling of colombia, dumbo :laugh:

😕 Uh, he spelled it right. This is from their website: Columbia University[/QUOTE]


He's talking about the country not the school 😀
 
Gotchya, sorry, I wasn't familiar with who you knocked up and where she's from. My bad.
 
Oli84

This is an important decision you are making. Please, please, please shadow a dentist or someone in the dental field before you make the switch.

You need to be able to stomach dentistry...it's not always pretty. Can you see yourself extracting teeth or drilling a few milimeters in someone's tooth with precision? Do you have steady hands, good communication skills, and can you see yourself possibly running your own business someday? These are only a few of the many things you should consider.

Before you jump into the application cycle, shadow a dentist. It's definetely a whole different experience than what you've probably experienced while sitting in the patient chair. You need to be certain that this is what you want to be doing for a good chunk of your life.

good luck :luck:
 
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Thanks for your responses guys (and gals), despite some minor trolling by a certain individual.

I think the best approach then is to shadow a dentist first, and once I have learned enough about what the profession requires from an individual, I will be able to add more reasons why I am switching--currently it is a matter of lifestyle and what kind of person I want to be 10 years from now.

I'm going to go ahead and tell my advisors why I am switching. What I say now will really come from the heart and not from a hollow, canned reason as was with the case of medicine.
 
oli84 said:
Thanks for your responses guys (and gals), despite some minor trolling by a certain individual.

I think the best approach then is to shadow a dentist first, and once I have learned enough about what the profession requires from an individual, I will be able to add more reasons why I am switching--currently it is a matter of lifestyle and what kind of person I want to be 10 years from now.

I'm going to go ahead and tell my advisors why I am switching. What I say now will really come from the heart and not from a hollow, canned reason as was with the case of medicine.


oli --
i am in the same boat as you, just 2 years behind. i'm a 2nd year undergrad making the transition from pre-med to pre-dent, and it is because of lifestyle reasons. the on-call nature of the job, the life and death situations, taking longer to get out of debt, and the ability to be more in touch with a wife and children were my key reasons.

i'm not switching out of pre-med because i can't make it in medical school (i've got a 3.8; 3.9 in my med school prereqs) and feel confident i would score in the low 30s on the MCAT. i'm switching because of the lifestyle.

like you, i need to do some shadowing of dentists, and perhaps my former orthodontist. i can't wait to get started on that this summer.

best of luck to you, and keep us (at least me!) posted on your progress.
 
I have another question about this..

Basically when it got to my senior year my GPA dropped, because I wasn't so sure about the field (medicine) that I was trying to get into and I lost the motivation to do well in my classes.

would i be able to explain that this was the case and change the situation to a more advantageous one, and that it was NOT senioritis that caused the GPA drop?