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[juiceman311]

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Is it plagirism if the source you are using for data words their information in the same exact way you were going to? I think nay, but some professors think yay. I agree, plagirism is 👎 but is it really plagirism if your diverse word choice is the same as your sources, if you really meant it? I think plagirism is a huge problem on college campuses today, and is being instilled more and more by the media and 5th grade literature courses. I'm being sincere when I say we need some bright ideas to fix this beef before it grows bacteria!!!! I mean, if everyone grows up to plagirize, then eventually, there will be NO new ideas and things to learn or copy, cause it'd all be the same. That would be an atrocious anomaly on society.

So, is my proposed question, in your pre-medical opinion, plagirism? Discuss freely, but be kind and curteous to fellow SDNers! 😍

 

[MedicineNutt]

I believe that plagerism is straight up copying the ****! now if someone forgot to source something, i dont consider that "plagerism" although some agree that it is...

 

[austinap]

Is it plagirism if the source you are using for data words their information in the same exact way you were going to? I think nay, but some professors think yay. I agree, plagirism is 👎 but is it really plagirism if your diverse word choice is the same as your sources, if you really meant it? I think plagirism is a huge problem on college campuses today, and is being instilled more and more by the media and 5th grade literature courses. I'm being sincere when I say we need some bright ideas to fix this beef before it grows bacteria!!!! I mean, if everyone grows up to plagirize, then eventually, there will be NO new ideas and things to learn or copy, cause it'd all be the same. That would be an atrocious anomaly on society.

So, is my proposed question, in your pre-medical opinion, plagirism? Discuss freely, but be kind and curteous to fellow SDNers! 😍

If you're going to use the same words, you need to quote it, and if you're just paraphrasing, you need to cite it. No buts. You can use the exact wording of your sources if you really want to, but you've gotta quote it. Depending on what you're specifically talking about, it can either be very common to quote (sociology journals, etc) or almost unheard of (chemistry, physics).

 

[Law2Doc]

I believe that plagerism is straight up copying the ****! now if someone forgot to source something, i dont consider that "plagerism" although some agree that it is...

You have to credit all ideas that are not your own, and cannot closely parrot others language, without putting in quotes and indicating sources. Besides, your paper/publication will be regarded more positively if you have lots of supporting references anyhow so it's just good practice.

 

[Dr. Pepper]

I don't think it's plagiarism if a few words coincide with the source's definition, but if you find that they are the same, you might want to change your definition a little to accomodate.

Really, the chances that your entire definiton (or anything more than 10 words) are exactly the same are slim to none so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[austinap]

I believe that plagerism is straight up copying the ****! now if someone forgot to source something, i dont consider that "plagerism" although some agree that it is...

It depends. If you're just writing up a lab report and forget to include that, I don't think thats a huge deal. In a paper, you should definately get some points off for it, and for larger works I think thats outright plagerism. It's a bit subjective I suppose, but at a college level you should be responsible for making sure people are getting credit where its due.

 

[Depakote]

This is my own work.

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[MedicineNutt]

You have to credit all ideas that are not your own, and cannot closely parrot others language, without putting in quotes and indicating sources. Besides, your paper/publication will be regarded more positively if you have lots of supporting references anyhow so it's just good practice.

whoever mentioned paraphrasing a publication and forgetting to source it was what i meant to say! i dont consider that plagerism although it technically is...sorry for my ******edness 🙂

 

[juiceman311]

I don't think it's plagiarism if a few words coincide with the source's definition, but if you find that they are the same, you might want to change your definition a little to accomodate.

Really, the chances that your entire definiton (or anything more than 10 words) are exactly the same are slim to none so I wouldn't worry about it.

But seriously, all 16 words were identical when I tried to type something down. It was SO weird. This is not an assignment or anything, I was writing in my personal journal about polyethylene based water bottles, because water intrigues me, and so I was just looking into some stuff and I was putting it in my personal journal, and then I was like {WOAH! my words match! I wonder if other premeds have this issue! What would they think! To the student doctor network we go!}

 

[wingwang]

Is it plagirism if the source you are using for data words their information in the same exact way you were going to? I think nay, but some professors think yay. I agree, plagirism is 👎 but is it really plagirism if your diverse word choice is the same as your sources, if you really meant it? I think plagirism is a huge problem on college campuses today, and is being instilled more and more by the media and 5th grade literature courses. I'm being sincere when I say we need some bright ideas to fix this beef before it grows bacteria!!!! I mean, if everyone grows up to plagirize, then eventually, there will be NO new ideas and things to learn or copy, cause it'd all be the same. That would be an atrocious anomaly on society.

So, is my proposed question, in your pre-medical opinion, plagirism? Discuss freely, but be kind and curteous to fellow SDNers! 😍

plagirism is what Viswanathan's did. it is pretty much stealing other peoples ideas and playing stupid when you get caught

 

[austinap]

But seriously, all 16 words were identical when I tried to type something down. It was SO weird. This is not an assignment or anything, I was writing in my personal journal about polyethylene based water bottles, because water intrigues me, and so I was just looking into some stuff and I was putting it in my personal journal, and then I was like {WOAH! my words match! I wonder if other premeds have this issue! What would they think! To the student doctor network we go!}

This tends to happen a lot to me, and I have to watch myself. I blame two things: 1) subconsciously remembering the words, and 2), there are only so many ways to state a given idea in scientific terms. When you get to really technical stuff, there aren't too many ways to paraphrase an idea without making it sound unprofessional.

 

[lilnoelle]

This tends to happen a lot to me, and I have to watch myself. I blame two things: 1) subconsciously remembering the words

I think this is usually the case for me. Once I have a certain way of saying things in my head, nothing else will come to mind. Then someone else will tell me a different way of saying a sentence, and I feel rather dumb. I don't consider myself eloquent.

 

[funshine]

This tends to happen a lot to me, and I have to watch myself. I blame two things: 1) subconsciously remembering the words, and 2), there are only so many ways to state a given idea in scientific terms. When you get to really technical stuff, there aren't too many ways to paraphrase an idea without making it sound unprofessional.

I've struggled with the same problem myself, but you just gotta put those sources away and figure out a way to express what you've learned in your own words. Even if it sounds 6th-gradish or unscientific at first. The whole process gets easier with practice, and trying to come up with your own precise wording will actually help you think more critically about the ideas presented by your sources.

 

[stoic]

Is it plagirism if the source you are using for data words their information in the same exact way you were going to? I think nay, but some professors think yay. I agree, plagirism is 👎 but is it really plagirism if your diverse word choice is the same as your sources, if you really meant it? I think plagirism is a huge problem on college campuses today, and is being instilled more and more by the media and 5th grade literature courses. I'm being sincere when I say we need some bright ideas to fix this beef before it grows bacteria!!!! I mean, if everyone grows up to plagirize, then eventually, there will be NO new ideas and things to learn or copy, cause it'd all be the same. That would be an atrocious anomaly on society.

So, is my proposed question, in your pre-medical opinion, plagirism? Discuss freely, but be kind and curteous to fellow SDNers! 😍

yes if it's the same it's plagerism. you have to figure out a way to say in your own words, and then quote the sourece. it sucks, but that's the answer.

 

[austinap]

I've struggled with the same problem myself, but you just gotta put those sources away and figure out a way to express what you've learned in your own words. Even if it sounds 6th-gradish or unscientific at first. The whole process gets easier with practice, and trying to come up with your own precise wording will actually help you think more critically about the ideas presented by your sources.

Exactly. I try to put my references away when I'm actually writing something out. The only time I get them out is if I need something specific, and in those cases I try to just scan for those things. DO NOT read your sources just before you start writing. Thats just asking for trouble.

 

[funshine]

Exactly. I try to put my references away when I'm actually writing something out. The only time I get them out is if I need something specific, and in those cases I try to just scan for those things. DO NOT read your sources just before you start writing. Thats just asking for trouble.

Yeah, it's tough to remember when you're crunched for time and feeling sleepy. I do wish we were taught better habits in high school. Maybe I speak for myself, but too often, I started reading my sources for the first time late at night while simultaneously trying to write my paper, and of course plagiarism is going happen then...maybe not major plagiarism, but yeah, a couple of phrases borrowed here and there, not a single original idea present in my entire paper. And they let me get away with straight A's in hs. Oh well, I paid my dues in college.

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

Try putting the sources away when you write, or take notes and then use your notes to write and not the books. I remember I had this problem in high school, and the real solution is to change your writing style. The key is to have enough of your own ideas for the body and use quotes to link them together. Qualify your thesis, add some analysis and a counter-argument, let sit 5 minutes and your good to go.

p.s. If it is so much easier to use other people's words than your own, enough so that you feel the need to complain about it, then by defnition, you are indeed plagarizing.

 

[crazy_cavalier]

holy sh#t, stoic is on this thread!

OP, you can paraphrase anything, if you really try.

OP, if you try hard you can pretty much paraphrase everything.


😉

ps. always cite everything. don't risk academic fraud.