Preparing for the inevitable

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Ok... but it’s not the end of the world. There is IBR which will forgive the loan at 20 and 30 years.. after that much time the principle is paid and more so if you are so inclined you can feel like you paid it back.
Yeah exactly. And that is assuming the US government hasn't collapsed yet which I think is at least a 10% chance of happening in the next 20 years. Stress is all in your head. Just buy a van so you will have some place to live. Trust me living in a car vs the streets is a world of difference. I think it's a cheap insurance policy
 
That is 100% true but you take one piece out and it all can fall apart quickly. I've seen many stores go from perfectly ran to a mess in months. I've also seen the opposite.

I gotta agree with my wingman here... technicians work in horrible conditions.. if they do not love their manager you can bet your bottom dollar they are always on the lookout for something else. A good PIC (like my wingman wagrxm2000) is the glue that holds the team together and steers the ship toward safe waters for the team. We are all going to work for one reason and that is to provide for our families. A good PIC will create a safe and stable work environment where the team knows their family is taken care of.
 
Yeah exactly. And that is assuming the US government hasn't collapsed yet which I think is at least a 10% chance of happening in the next 20 years. Stress is all in your head. Just buy a van so you will have some place to live. Trust me living in a car vs the streets is a world of difference. I think it's a cheap insurance policy

Yea I already own a large van... anyways like it or not the world keeps turning round.. I will put my bet on the US government not “collapsing”.
 
I gotta agree with my wingman here... technicians work in horrible conditions.. if they do not love their manager you can bet your bottom dollar they are always on the lookout for something else. A good PIC (like my wingman wagrxm2000) is the glue that holds the team together and steers the ship toward safe waters for the team. We are all going to work for one reason and that is to provide for our families. A good PIC will create a safe and stable work environment where the team knows their family is taken care of.
Damn, how much Kool aid did you drink?
 
I agree but you also need to factor in hotshot DM/District Leader who got promoted on the basis of successfully running that 1 store as a manager for a few years to the top of the charts... These days they might only have 2-3 years at most to make an impression as a middle manager. They don't care much for 15-20 years some people have with the company because they might not even be here themselves in a few months.
 
Dude I speak from serious experience. Go back to your video games leave the deep PIC wisdom to us.
Said the dude that got laid off thinking he was the rock star in the pharmacy lmao. I will go back to my video games now ;-D
 
Haha well - whatever ladder your climbing... Fortnight?
Ain't got no time for that. Pirating single player game or nothing. Too busy just trying to get off pharmacy trainwreck nowadays.
 
“Insert a new buzzword here” will save us!

Bitcoin, obviously.




































(Sarcasm; just wanted to see you rage out). On a serious note BMB, do you supply your rentals with washer/dryer and fridge? I'm needing some for my rental and can't decide whether to buy and get an extended warranty, or let a potential renter bring their own in (don't most people expect that to be provided?) What are your thoughts?

My real strategy to stay on topic in this thread: stay the course of just paying off debt, maxing tax advantaged investing accounts and then taxed accounts afterwards. One rental home and planning/hoping to expand soon when some more debt is knocked out.
 
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I know a dude that bought a 3-unit apartment building about a year ago. He moved into one of them. The other two pay the monthly mortgage. Maybe when pharmacy dies, I'll move into the 300 sq foot shed out back and rent my house out.

Actually, if pharmacy did just die, I'll move somewhere cheap, buy a single wide on a little plot of land outright with the equity I have in my current house, do something crazy in public, use that to be declared mentally deficient, draw disability and medicare...then just chill at home and play pirated video games/TV all day no worse for the wear.
 
Hell, I just looked on sss.gov. Apparently, if I file disability right now, I'd take home $2,723 a month. Move back to WV where property taxes are like $250 a year. Buy my single wide. I could live like a damn disabled hilljack king.

Give me an internet connection and season tickets to WVU football and basketball and I'd be set.
 
Why did your partner get fired?
For no cause. Let me explain. The new pic is the nastiest psychopath rph in the profession! She would schedule more techs on her shifts and mostly works morning and leave everything for him to do. She would blame everything on him. The techs called the etchics line to complain how she mistreated him but they never actually imvestigated anything.
So with a dl who has no clue about pharmacy and who believes the pic thought that he was not performing enough.
 
Sarcasm; just wanted to see you rage out). On a serious note BMB, do you supply your rentals with washer/dryer and fridge? I'm needing some for my rental and can't decide whether to buy and get an extended warranty, or let a potential renter bring their own in (don't most people expect that to be provided?) What are your thoughts?.

No washer/dryer and fridge. Don’t buy them yet until you know your tenants don’t have them. You can also require them to buy those things. Room for negotiation.
 
No washer/dryer and fridge. Don’t buy them yet until you know your tenants don’t have them. You can also require them to buy those things. Room for negotiation.

How do you set up your rent/lease contracts, any suggestion? I've just used LegalZoom in the past.
 
How do you set up your rent/lease contracts, any suggestion? I've just used LegalZoom in the past.

Property manager. Worth the cost. The formula is....1/2 is finding the right house, the other 1/2 is finding the right tenants.
 
Property manager. Worth the cost. The formula is....1/2 is finding the right house, the other 1/2 is finding the right tenants.

How much do you pay your property manager? I've only got one rental, so it isn't "difficult" to manage right now.
 
How much do you pay your property manager? I've only got one rental, so it isn't "difficult" to manage right now.

I am paying less than 5% rent. Typically, it is 5-10% depending on the location, rents. I used a property manager who has been working with another investor. Together, we have > 10 properties with him. That is why we got a good rate.

I don’t recommend negotiating hard with a property manager. He has to eat too! Everyone I work with..I make sure they know this is for the long term. I say something like, “this is a great neighborhood, I am planning to hold on to this rental property for 20 years!” and “if I get get a good deal, I am going to buy another rental property this year”. That is actually my intention.
 
In business, you have to be vocal. I only work with those who know what I want. I never try to short change them. I always make sure they are properly compensated.

I only look at results. If someone annoyed me or doesn’t produce, then it is over. I write the check so I make the call.
 
Pharmacy is changing for the worst. New grads are getting $10-20/hr less than current Rphs and old timers are now targets for layoffs and firings. Expect more of these firings to come and wages to decrease even more. No pharmacist job is secure anymore. No matter how good or invaluable you think you are, the fact is you can be replaced by a new hire who makes $20-40k less to do the same job.

What are some things we can do to prepare ourselves? Let's come up with some contingency plans.

Prepharms: don't even think about applying for pharmacy school. Run away and don't look back.

Current pharmacy students: it is never too late to turn back. If you have less than $100k in loans, that amount can be paid off with an average 50k-75k job that most college graduates have.

Pharmacy students about to graduate: you'll probably have to work in BFE fighting for more than 30 hrs per week. Continue to live like a student and pay those loans off ASAP. Don't be a consumer, don't but a new car, don't but crap you don't need. Start to plan your next career.

Rphs in their 30s-40s: by now your student loans should be paid off and you should have a good amount of equity in your home. Continue to max out retirement accounts and invest as much as possible in taxable. Look into other careers or opening a franchise.

Rphs in their 50s-60s: by now you should have a high net worth with no debt, a paid off house, if you have kids they are financially independent adults. You will be the first to be fired or laid off and the last to get hired again. But that shouldn't phase you since you should have a few million if not more from making six figures for decades. Consider moving to a low cost area to live like a king. Do something you love like teach high school science or coach a sports team.

I am trying to pay off my student loan debt in couple of years!!!
 
For no cause. Let me explain. The new pic is the nastiest psychopath rph in the profession! She would schedule more techs on her shifts and mostly works morning and leave everything for him to do. She would blame everything on him. The techs called the etchics line to complain how she mistreated him but they never actually imvestigated anything.
So with a dl who has no clue about pharmacy and who believes the pic thought that he was not performing enough.
I felt that would've been easy to fight. Just show the DL the tech schedule and bring up the ethics line complaint.
 
It was mentioned that the techs called the ethics line against the psycho PIC.

Middle management protects who they want to protect (often themselves)
 
I felt that would've been easy to fight. Just show the DL the tech schedule and bring up the ethics line complaint.

The tech called multiple times and were given case number. I think the whole ethics line things is bs
 
Read the thread title and thought this thread was about death.
 
It was mentioned that the techs called the ethics line against the psycho PIC.

Middle management protects who they want to protect (often themselves)

Middle management was probably just looking for an excuse to get rid of a higher paid, more expensive pharmacist. They took the word of the psycho PIC because it was convenient to do so at the time.
 
It's good to see people are prepared for the inevitable.

I know so many couples who are over leveraging for a house with 30 year mortgage in a very affluent city in their early 30s. Should something happen to their dual income, they will be hurt really bad.
 
Student loans paid off already. I am sending extra on mortgage, (1500 extra every month) to pay it off early , in 10 years. Dont know if can survive retail for the next 10 years.
 
Our colleagues are not willing to put their $$$ where their mouths are. I left Walgreens in 2005 after 19.5 years (11 as a pharmacist) bc people crossed the picket line when we went on strike . A bunch of old timers jumped ship at that time bc we knew we were screwed at that point. They wound up breaking the union ( national pharmacists association ) bc young pharmacists didn’t want to pay dues and thought they would NEVER need a union. People were warned 4 years ahead of time to save money to get through 3 months of not working and they blew it and crossed the line. That was the last time we had leverage in retail and every other retail pharmacy contracts were bc we fought hard and then everyone else just fell in line like Isco, cvs, walmart, etc. If Walgreens got paid xx amount with certain benefits then other company’s followed suit without having to put their butts on the line. Pharmacists are still not willing to lose their paychecks or jobs to get anything changed. Therefore we will be working for $30/hr with crappy conditions, and bending over and taking it from management . I hate to say it but we collectively deserve it!

You're probably old enough to remember Canzolino at Cook County, one of the founders of the union. He went into Federal Civil Service for the exact reason you cited.

I'm also blood guilty in that incident as a scab as I was brought in from out of state to work (same store as Kermit, who I was his caretaker). Walgreens returned the favor, but I started retraining for another immediately after that for the similar reasons and I knew old nuclear pharmacists. Nearly 15 years later, I'm completely satisfied that I had no good future in either standard practice unless I went into management. If I still practiced, I dont think BCNPs are safe anymore as consolidation continues.
 
The pharmacy schools that are already accredited may treat these posts as "fear-mongering" or implement some kind of behavioral intervention strategy for pharmacy students who view these posts. How do we prevent us from being viewed in this light?

The State Board of Pharmacy might view you not passing the MPJE or the NAPLEX against you. That is why I may not be allowed to discuss how oversaturation affects the quality of pharmacists and the profession itself.

You don't have to. Barnum Principle, you just have to figure out how to make a buck off that fact, but in your case, I'd worry more about getting a license and then a job as having neither makes you as desperate as the rest of the new grads. Three months for another 3000, or is that 5000 now?

If the late 70s repeat itself or the recent PT history applies, it's been nice knowing most of you and no, I'm not in the market for a new house, Tupperware, or nutritional supplements, and yes, I know God wants me to be prosperous and my tithe to the parish is in excellent standing.

On a more serious note, lifelong learning is not a skill, it's survival.
 
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Pharmacy is changing for the worst. New grads are getting $10-20/hr less than current Rphs and old timers are now targets for layoffs and firings. Expect more of these firings to come and wages to decrease even more. No pharmacist job is secure anymore. No matter how good or invaluable you think you are, the fact is you can be replaced by a new hire who makes $20-40k less to do the same job.

What are some things we can do to prepare ourselves? Let's come up with some contingency plans.

Prepharms: don't even think about applying for pharmacy school. Run away and don't look back.

Current pharmacy students: it is never too late to turn back. If you have less than $100k in loans, that amount can be paid off with an average 50k-75k job that most college graduates have.

Pharmacy students about to graduate: you'll probably have to work in BFE fighting for more than 30 hrs per week. Continue to live like a student and pay those loans off ASAP. Don't be a consumer, don't but a new car, don't but crap you don't need. Start to plan your next career.

Rphs in their 30s-40s: by now your student loans should be paid off and you should have a good amount of equity in your home. Continue to max out retirement accounts and invest as much as possible in taxable. Look into other careers or opening a franchise.

Rphs in their 50s-60s: by now you should have a high net worth with no debt, a paid off house, if you have kids they are financially independent adults. You will be the first to be fired or laid off and the last to get hired again. But that shouldn't phase you since you should have a few million if not more from making six figures for decades. Consider moving to a low cost area to live like a king. Do something you love like teach high school science or coach a sports team.

That's ambitious for 30's lol. PharmD at 25, in 5 years you pay off student loans AND have already saved enough to purchase a home AND build equity? Not to mention many have had to buy a car, a ring, a child (well not buy a child, but you know). GenXer, I presume?
 
That's ambitious for 30's lol. PharmD at 25, in 5 years you pay off student loans AND have already saved enough to purchase a home AND build equity? Not to mention many have had to buy a car, a ring, a child (well not buy a child, but you know). GenXer, I presume?

Not really ambitious IMO. I'm millennial. I didn't get pharmD until age 30 and I did it. I never blew money on a new car though.

Age
30: pharmD
31: bought ring
32: married (we paid for wedding), loans paid off
33: bought first house for 315k. Put 20% down.
34: first child
35: currently owe 223k on mortgage

If I got PharmD at age 24/25, my mortgage would probably be paid off by now.

Average Rph salary is 120-130k. That's 600k+ in 5 years, should be easy to do these things.
 
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Not really ambitious IMO. I'm millennial. I didn't get pharmD until age 30 and I did it. I never blew money on a new car though.

Age
30: pharmD
31: bought ring
32: married (we paid for wedding), loans paid off
33: bought first house for 315k. Put 20% down.
34: first child
35: currently owe 223k on mortgage

If I got PharmD at age 24/25, my mortgage would probably be paid off by now.

Average Rph salary is 120-130k. That's 600k+ in 5 years, should be easy to do these things.

More like 450k with taxes in 5 years, but sure.
 
Not really ambitious IMO. I'm millennial. I didn't get pharmD until age 30 and I did it. I never blew money on a new car though.

Age
30: pharmD
31: bought ring
32: married (we paid for wedding), loans paid off
33: bought first house for 315k. Put 20% down.
34: first child
35: currently owe 223k on mortgage

If I got PharmD at age 24/25, my mortgage would probably be paid off by now.

Average Rph salary is 120-130k. That's 600k+ in 5 years, should be easy to do these things.
how did it take you soo long to get a pharmD? I know people that got their pharmD at 21. Dude what did you do for 9 years?
 
Why do you care what he did for 9 years? Dude looks like he got his **** together to me.
Yeah a little too late man. He lost over 800,000 USD in money that he will never get back from not having his stuff together IMO.
 
how did it take you soo long to get a pharmD? I know people that got their pharmD at 21. Dude what did you do for 9 years?

I switched careers, obviously. Made 60k/year working a stressful office job, stayed late without pay, I felt like I was in the movie Office Space. Now I make twice the income and the job is easy.
 
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