Pritzker Full Ride vs Johns Hopkins

[kelpy]

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[mongrel]

Hi,
I just got accepted to JHU but I don't have any financial aid or scholarships since I'm an intl student. I have a full tuititon scholarship to Pritzker amounting $180,000. Which school should I pick? I know that Hopkins is a better school, but is it worth 180 K? Will attending Hopkins really enhance my career? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!

Pritzker is also a wonderful school. Also, doesn't being an intl student make it harder for you to get low-interest loans? I'd say go with the full ride, hands down.

 

[neurofreak]

agreed....can't beat 180k

 

[littlealex]

Personally for me, if the school's ranking is reasonable, always take the money.

 

[Thayer]

I think it depends on what you want Kelpy. If you want to be heavily involved in research and academia and want to be the authority on a particular topic in a clinical or biomedical research field you may want to go to JHU. Maybe you or your family also has the financial resources where you are able to pay tuition and living costs at JHU without borrowing loans so the money issue is less serious.

Personally, I would choose the $180,000 scholarship to Pritzker...which is also an amazing school. I have to take out loans for med school and I'm less interested in the research and academia side of medicine. Just not for me.

Either way congrats on getting into such great schools! There are many on this board, myself included, who envy your predicament.

 

[premeddick]

Hi,
I just got accepted to JHU but I don't have any financial aid or scholarships since I'm an intl student. I have a full tuititon scholarship to Pritzker amounting $180,000. Which school should I pick? I know that Hopkins is a better school, but is it worth 180 K? Will attending Hopkins really enhance my career? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!

Yeah I would love to have this tough choice. I would choose Pritzker by the way... great school and great money. What is your secret if you dont mind?

 

[LADoc00]

Hi,
I just got accepted to JHU but I don't have any financial aid or scholarships since I'm an intl student. I have a full tuititon scholarship to Pritzker amounting $180,000. Which school should I pick? I know that Hopkins is a better school, but is it worth 180 K? Will attending Hopkins really enhance my career? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!

Call me a bit skeptical, but full tuition scholarship for what exactly? You arent an MD/PhD I assume.

Is this from UofChicago or from your home country?

Why are American $$ going to fund to foriegn docs..Im confused. You win the Nobel Prize or something??

.....wtf is going on here.

 

[ChessMess]

Pick Johns Hopkins.

But I'm biased, I'm waitlisted at Pritzker.

 

[avery2007]

having spent time at both places....and as a student--both are equivalent (though pritzker makes you feel extra special)

pritzker.

both are great schools.

chicago is better than baltimore----by far.

go for where you would love to live...(not that baltimore is bad---just chicago is better.)

edit: i took a few classes at pritzker--with the med students--but was a grad student...if that clarifies anything.

 

[Khanal007]

Pick Johns Hopkins.

But I'm biased, I'm waitlisted at Pritzker.

hahah, I was about to say the opposite, to pick UChicago, cause I'm waitlisted at Hopkins

 

[Khanal007]

Call me a bit skeptical, but full tuition scholarship for what exactly? You arent an MD/PhD I assume.

Is this from UofChicago or from your home country?

Why are American $$ going to fund to foriegn docs..Im confused. You win the Nobel Prize or something??

.....wtf is going on here.

Pritzker gives merit based scholarship, so the money is not from his home country, it was awarded from Pritzker when he was accepted -- he was just THAT good!

Yes, it's american money going to foreign doctors, but regardless of where Kelpy eventually decides to practice, the US is one of the best places to practice as an MD (lucrative, facilities, research dollars, etc), so I bet most international students that get into US medschools will eventually practice in the US itself.

 

[MacGyver]

so I bet most international students that get into US medschools will eventually practice in the US itself.

Meanwhile the ****ty 3rd world nations that the vast majority of these foreigners come from languish with ****ty helathcare systems with absolutely zero access to doctors.

But hey, the USA gets to add another plastic surgeon! Yay for us!

 

[Khanal007]

Meanwhile the ****ty 3rd world nations that the vast majority of these foreigners come from languish with ****ty helathcare systems with absolutely zero access to doctors.

But hey, the USA gets to add another plastic surgeon! Yay for us!

right, totally agree. I just got back from 3 months of volunteer work in Nepal, and heard from another american volunteer that the only medical school in the region teaches their students for the USMLE and a good majority of them take the step 1 and start applying for residencies in the US -- which seems a bit sickening at first thought.

At the same time, it's SO incredibly easy for us to judge in our cushy American homes of these people in foreign countries that want a shot at the American dream and to escape the dirt of their own coutnries (poor 3rd world countries). And I think it's also impossible for us to say we wouldn't do the same if we were in their situation.

 

[dogsrule]

Univ of Chicago is a private school-yes
Univ of Chicago receives US government funds-yes
US funds should not be given to foreign students
I'll go so far to say that non-US residents should not be given the limited number of slots in US med schools. And if admitted should be paying out of country fee's.

 

[QofQuimica]

Hi,
I just got accepted to JHU but I don't have any financial aid or scholarships since I'm an intl student. I have a full tuititon scholarship to Pritzker amounting $180,000. Which school should I pick? I know that Hopkins is a better school, but is it worth 180 K? Will attending Hopkins really enhance my career? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!

It's a no-brainer, dude(tte). Take the full ride. You can go to Hopkins for your residency if you want. And congrats on getting such a sweet deal. 🙂

 

[dogsrule]

Who says this person is from a third world country? They are contemplating paying for Hopkins.

 

[Khanal007]

Univ of Chicago is a private school-yes
Univ of Chicago receives US government funds-yes
US funds should not be given to foreign students
I'll go so far to say that non-US residents should not be given the limited number of slots in US med schools. And if admitted should be paying out of country fee's.

but if they're qualified enough to get in (which, is definitely harder to get in if you're foreign cause of the limited choices to apply), why does it matter? I'd go as far as saying any objection to letting them in is almost xenophobia, the "foreigners are taking alll our jobs!" sentiment. America was born as a land of immigrants, and has prospered as a result of those immigrants. If we can get an intelligent foreign doctor that can make a contribution to our society, then why not?

And, take for example the case of an international student from a poor 3rd world country. Maybe their country doesn't have the facilities to allow them to pursue their interests and research. But if we let them come here, prosper, then maybe they'll have the means to give back to their home countries later. And who knows, maybe they'll make the next big discovery.

 

[Khanal007]

Who says this person is from a third world country? They are contemplating paying for Hopkins.

hahah no one, this thread is kind of going into a tangent on the overall subject of foreign students coming to study at the US and the benifits and downfalls of that occuring. The 3rd world country thing was just an example.

 

[LADoc00]

Pritzker gives merit based scholarship, so the money is not from his home country, it was awarded from Pritzker when he was accepted -- he was just THAT good!

Yes, it's american money going to foreign doctors, but regardless of where Kelpy eventually decides to practice, the US is one of the best places to practice as an MD (lucrative, facilities, research dollars, etc), so I bet most international students that get into US medschools will eventually practice in the US itself.

LMAO...."That good"? Are you flippin serious? What the !@bleep! is that? He has an 8.0GPA from Kampala Lampur University?

THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL STUDENT THAT HAS DONE CRAP TO DESERVE A FULL RIDE. When you are applying to medical school you cant possibly have done anything to merit 150K+ because you dont know anything.

No, I disbelieve. I dont care if he had a perfect MCAT.

Thanks, I now have official license to LOL@UofChicago.

 

[dogsrule]

Please re- read, if admitted they should pay out of country fees, as out of state residents must pay higher fees because their tax payers finanically suport the schools.

 

[Khanal007]

LMAO...."That good"? Are you flippin serious? What the !@bleep! is that? He has an 8.0GPA from Kampala Lampur University?

THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL STUDENT THAT HAS DONE CRAP TO DESERVE A FULL RIDE. When you are applying to medical school you cant possibly have done anything to merit 150K+ because you dont know anything.

No, I disbelieve. I dont care if he had a perfect MCAT.

Thanks, I now have official license to LOL@UofChicago.

To apply to medschool in the US we all know you have to apply through AMCAS, which doesn't accept foreign credit. International students applying to US medical schools have undergraduate courswork from US accredited undergraduate institutions. So no, he could not have graduated from Kampala Lampur University. He HAD to have graduated from a US university.

 

[dogsrule]

LMAO...."That good"? Are you flippin serious? What the !@bleep! is that? He has an 8.0GPA from Kampala Lampur University?

THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL STUDENT THAT HAS DONE CRAP TO DESERVE A FULL RIDE. When you are applying to medical school you cant possibly have done anything to merit 150K+ because you dont know anything.

No, I disbelieve. I dont care if he had a perfect MCAT.

Thanks, I now have official license to LOL@UofChicago.

ditto

 

[Khanal007]

Please re- read, if admitted they should pay out of country fees, as out of state residents must pay higher fees because their tax payers finanically suport the schools.

but this guy/girl didn't recieve "aide", he got a merit based scholarship. He did things in his undergraduate career that warranted such recognition. And as my above post states, he made his acheivements at a US undergraduate college, and worked as hard as any other American applying to a US medical school.

 

[Khanal007]

ditto

And I repeat, no one from Kampala Lampur University, or with premed science courses from there can apply through AMCAS. You have to have US undergraduate credit from an accredited institution.

lol, also, where is Kampala Lampur University located, in Kuala Lampur, Malaysia, or Kampala, Uganda? (lol, this was meant as a joke to lighten the mood!)

 

[catsrule]

I repeat no US funds should be given , awarded, to non- US citizens.

 

[Khanal007]

no one said this guy/girl is getting US funds. These merit based scholarships are most likely from an outside source or foundation that set up the scholarship at the school. I looked at the Pritzker website and couldn't find what I was looking for, but I know for a fact that Wash U offers full ride merit scholarships similar to Prtizker, and these were set up by rich alums for medstudents strictly on the basis of merit.

 

[JohnMadden]

We do not know where the scholarship funds came from. I agree, if the funds are institutional funds then they should probably support domestic students.

However, schools often accept scholarship funds from donors with specific requirements (for example, certain donors/trusts/companies have target students they want to support. The scholarship could be funded from a donor that wants to support international students.

 

[Khanal007]

I repeat no US funds should be given , awarded, to non- US citizens.

also, I'm not a US citizen and have recieved financial aide all 4 years of my undergrad and will most liekly be matriculating at my state medical school, which is heavily subsidized by my state government.

I'm a green card holder. My parents have lived in the US for 30 years and are also tax payers.

 

[dogsrule]

no one said this guy/girl is getting US funds. These merit based scholarships are most likely from an outside source or foundation that set up the scholarship at the school. I looked at the Pritzker website and couldn't find what I was looking for, but I know for a fact that Wash U offers full ride merit scholarships similar to Prtizker, and these were set up by rich alums for medstudents strictly on the basis of merit.

Please, I'll be brief, any US money given to any non-profit instutition is tax deductable ie.. they received a tax write off - paid less taxes than other wise. Thus, these are US funds.

 

[TheRealMD]

I repeat no US funds should be given , awarded, to non- US citizens.

-_-

I don't think you even know what it means for a person whose probably lived here all their life but it still classified as an international student and gets shafted. You really have no idea how the system works, do you?

It's this kind of rash thinking that puts the world in the state that it is today, not thinking about the OTHER point of view, you know? 🙄

 

[Khanal007]

-_-

I don't think you even know what it means for a person whose probably lived here all their life but it still classified as an international student and gets shafted. You really have no idea how the system works, do you?

It's this kind of rash thinking that puts the world in the state that it is today, not thinking about the OTHER point of view, you know? 🙄

thank you.

I love how we're all squabbling here about the merits of accepting an international student, while Kelpy can sit back and not say anything because he/she doesn't need to, what Kelpy has achieved speaks for itself.

earlier posters can say things such as: "THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL STUDENT THAT HAS DONE CRAP TO DESERVE A FULL RIDE" While whoever Keply is, has just gone through a grueling application process and has been deemed qualified for admission by two of the most prestigious medschools, with one (Pritzker) being so impressed by his/her achievements that Kelpy got a full scholarship. I trust the adcoms of these two schools.

It seems to me any ill feelings about international students at this level of achievement may just simply be jealousy.

 

[Ihateverbal]

Pritzker! Hello? It's in Chicago and JHU is in Baltimore...

Chicago >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore and it's cheaper too!

This is a no brainer 🙂

 

[mongrel]

-_-

I don't think you even know what it means for a person whose probably lived here all their life but it still classified as an international student and gets shafted. You really have no idea how the system works, do you?

It's this kind of rash thinking that puts the world in the state that it is today, not thinking about the OTHER point of view, you know? 🙄

Agreed. Why all the xenophobia? The US doles out billion$ to the rest of world in the form of aid. Do you protest that? Or is your problem only because these people are your med school competition?

 

[StringTheorist]

Agreed. Why all the xenophobia? The US doles out billion$ to the rest of world in the form of aid. Do you protest that? Or is your problem only because these people are your med school competition?

I believe we know the truth here... the big green monster is a nasty critter.

 

[mountainhare]

An earlier poster said: "THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL STUDENT THAT HAS DONE CRAP TO DESERVE A FULL RIDE. When you are applying to medical school you cant possibly have done anything to merit 150K+ because you dont know anything." Well, to borrow your words, there is no U.S.-born premed that has done crap to deserve a full ride, either; so your argument implies that schools shouldn't give free rides to anybody, period. I mean, come on: the people who awarded the OP the full ride aren't saying he's God's gift to mankind; all they're saying is that he's better than the competition.

Another poster claimed that even a privately donated scholarship counts as "federal money" because such donations are tax-deductible. But aren't most if not all charitable donations tax-deductible? Does that mean I shouldn't be allowed to donate to the charity of my choice if you don't approve of said charity, since I am essentially giving away your tax dollars?

I think we all agree it's OK to spend U.S. tax dollars on things that benefit the U.S. (Some of us also believe it's OK to spend U.S. tax dollars on other things, such as foreign aid, since we're all citizens of the world.) If the OP ends up practicing in the U.S. or doing research, then funding his education will definitely benefit the U.S. And if the OP ends up practicing abroad,-- Well, many U.S.-born medical students go into international medicine as well. Are you saying those students don't deserve financial aid either? And do you really believe the U.S. benefits more from awarding seats to U.S.-born students who are less academically capable than from awarding them to international students who are more capable?

Kelpy, if you're wealthy and the money issue wouldn't really burden you, just pick wherever you'd be happiest. You seem like a smart person, so you'll be able to get into a good residency no matter which school you go to.

 

[anotherpremed]

you'll never regret having a degree from JHU on your wall even when you are paying back loans...

 

[JohnMadden]

you'll never regret having a degree from JHU on your wall even when you are paying back loans...

I disagree. I know quite a few people who graduated from Hopkins Med who turned down scholarships at other top notch schools and regretted it.

What's the difference between a (insert speciality) resident who graduated from Pritzker (full-ride) and the one who graduated from Hopkins? A LOT of debt. I think the advantage is lost after that. That being said, you may have a better chance of being offered a position on the faculty after residency, but that's no big honor. They can never fill these positions because the pay is low (in comparison to other academic medical centers)...

I only think it's beneficial to go with Hopkins if you have some desire to do something like neuro AT Hopkins, because they only have 3 spots a year with an average of 2 going to Hopkins graduates each year. It's still a big gamble, and not worth 120K, IMO

 

[leftmid]

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congrats, what a nice song! u must b 2 good 2 be true 2 have gotten me singing the entire lyrics that lengthy.

 

[Orthodoc40]

you'll never regret having a degree from JHU on your wall even when you are paying back loans...

and you will regret having one from Pritzker?? Not likely. Especially when you won't be making payments.

 

[MedGrl@2022]

Hi,
I just got accepted to JHU but I don't have any financial aid or scholarships since I'm an intl student. I have a full tuititon scholarship to Pritzker amounting $180,000. Which school should I pick? I know that Hopkins is a better school, but is it worth 180 K? Will attending Hopkins really enhance my career? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!

Go where the money is at!!!

 

[HopkinsOne]

What does the money mean to you? If you're from a family that's extremely well-off, just go to the school you prefer. Otherwise, weigh the money accordingly.