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[communitydoc13]

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I believe there are a significant number of us (including present boomers) that imagine retirement as being a circumstance where you never draw down from your nest egg and you never acknowledge your finite horizon.

I think this is a combo of wanting to create generational wealth (I'm not doing this and my kids know.) and not acknowledging mortality.

Here's to not trying to make our kids rich and being a death realist. Make good money, get out between 50 and 68.

 

[deleted941485]

I believe there are a significant number of us (including present boomers) that imagine retirement as being a circumstance where you never draw down from your nest egg and you never acknowledge your finite horizon.

I think this is a combo of wanting to create generational wealth (I'm not doing this and my kids know.) and not acknowledging mortality.

Here's to not trying to make our kids rich and being a death realist. Make good money, get out between 50 and 68.

Since when do boomer ROs give a damn about anybody? They’re bored and greedy.

 

[communitydoc13]

Since when do boomer ROs give a damn about anybody? They’re bored and greedy.

The above applies to more than boomers. I know relatively young docs, talented and with other options, financially independent by any standards, who won't walk away from their job despite taking no pleasure in it, because of some indeterminate amount of money that they need to sock away.

 

[metallica81788]

The 75 year old plus locums is so rad onc. You literally have people practicing until they can no longer drive to work or die. Just don’t get it.

One of the guys that the hospital would get to cover for me had to get a driver to bring him. Literally falls asleep "checking films" which dosi and therapists have to hand hold him through. I was/am worried he will die in my office while I'm out.

 

[Barcelona PSG]

It seems the same in academia as well,we have a 80 year old guy who doesn't remember a ****ing thing about any of his patients making 400-500k. Just the sheer number of older Rad Oncs age >70 who have a resident babysit them and do all the notes,volumes is so high.
This is sheer greed despite all the money they made during the golden era of IMRT reimbursement.

 

[medgator]

It seems the same in academia as well,we have a 80 year old guy who doesn't remember a ****ing thing about any of his patients making 400-500k. Just the sheer number of older Rad Oncs age >70 who have a resident babysit them and do all the notes,volumes is so high.
This is sheer greed despite all the money they made during the golden era of IMRT reimbursement.

Applies to some of the chairs too

 

[RadOncDoc21]

I have a locums who requires naps throughout the day.

 

[Lamount]

It seems the same in academia as well,we have a 80 year old guy who doesn't remember a ****ing thing about any of his patients making 400-500k. Just the sheer number of older Rad Oncs age >70 who have a resident babysit them and do all the notes,volumes is so high.
This is sheer greed despite all the money they made during the golden era of IMRT reimbursement.

I don’t disagree with this. For some, however, I don’t think it is about the money. It’s about having someplace to go every day where they are respected and relevant. I am hoping that I am ready to retire when it’s time… but it’s not hard to imagine that it may be difficult to accept that one’s career is over.

 

[medgator]

I don’t disagree with this. For some, however, I don’t think it is about the money. It’s about having someplace to go every day where they are respected and relevant. I am hoping that I am ready to retire when it’s time… but it’s not hard to imagine that it may be difficult to accept that one’s career is over.

Some of them just don't have any FT hobbies developed? I've definitely seen it

 

[communitydoc13]

where they are respected and relevant

I agree. I'm definitively not in the Ezekiel Emanuel crowd. Why I Hope to Die at 75 and I firmly believe that healthy older people provide huge value to society. Some of the best creative work is even done in this over 75 age group. I also believe in accumulated wisdom.

Professionally, to me its just about making room. (This is de-facto mandated in many other developed countries.) It doesn't mean you can't have a role, or be a deep thinker or consultant or even function as a post-doc if you wanted to. It means that there are only so many opportunities for leadership or being the high volume clinician (at least in our field).

 

[temujim]

I agree. I'm definitively not in the Ezekiel Emanuel crowd. Why I Hope to Die at 75 and I firmly believe that healthy older people provide huge value to society. Some of the best creative work is even done in this over 75 age group. I also believe in accumulated wisdom.

Professionally, to me its just about making room. (This is de-facto mandated in many other developed countries.) It doesn't mean you can't have a role, or be a deep thinker or consultant or even function as a post-doc if you wanted to. It means that there are only so many opportunities for leadership or being the high volume clinician (at least in our field).

Oh that essay is not for the zeke emanuel crowd. It is for the regular joes.

 

[Lamount]

I agree. I'm definitively not in the Ezekiel Emanuel crowd. Why I Hope to Die at 75 and I firmly believe that healthy older people provide huge value to society. Some of the best creative work is even done in this over 75 age group. I also believe in accumulated wisdom.

Professionally, to me its just about making room. (This is de-facto mandated in many other developed countries.) It doesn't mean you can't have a role, or be a deep thinker or consultant or even function as a post-doc if you wanted to. It means that there are only so many opportunities for leadership or being the high volume clinician (at least in our field).

That’s very fair. I think it is reasonable for one to think “hey buddy, you had your turn”. I also get that for many older folks who have been doing this for decades, the notion of retiring (regardless of finances) is terrifying.