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So, I didn't pass step 1 the first time (blew it off, bad move). Anyway, what IM residencies require that you pass step 1 and 2 the first time?
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astro-pilot said:So, I didn't pass step 1 the first time (blew it off, bad move). Anyway, what IM residencies require that you pass step 1 and 2 the first time?
Thanks.
irlandesa said:"competitive" and "really good" are tossed around very carelessly on this board. The only program where I have seen it in writing that an initial Step 1 failure is not acceptable is Dartmouth, and I've heard this is mandated by the state of NH and applies to ALL of DHMC's residency programs. Check individual program websites to clarify.
doc05 said:maybe so, but even if it is not available in writing, think about it: would mass general take someone who'd failed their boards on the 1st try? of course not, regardless of what their written policy says. same goes for any other competitive program: there are just too many applicants without this blemish.
Realistically, you won't be able to get interviews at top notch programs. You might still be able to match at mid tier academic programs if you do very well on your second attempt AND really well on step 2 AND have a good academic record. I somehow suspect that your pre-clinical grades are less than stellar, it is not easy to honor pre-clinicals and then fail step 1. Work your butt off third year. Make sure to apply to lesser academic programs and a bunch of community programs. Your hunch is correct, failing step 1 is a bad move and a huge red flag for programs.astro-pilot said:So, I didn't pass step 1 the first time (blew it off, bad move). Anyway, what IM residencies require that you pass step 1 and 2 the first time?
Thanks.
Hard to believe it, dude. Unless you have a Nobel prize to compensate for it...or daddy in the admon committee. Anyway, peace.rht said:LaBelle, you're money. I agree that everyone on this website is boarding on a significant axis 2 diagnosis starting with an n. I personally failed step one on two separate occasions, reflected on it, and turned it into a strength. Apparently, Beth Isreal and Stanford didn't have a problem. Anyway, any program that has such a cursory investigation into their applications is hardly what I would consider "competitive."
Doing poorly on step 1 and having a good application otherwise does not pose the same challenges as FAILING step 1. I too have talked with many PDs and all said that to them, it is a huge red flag. This is true even for low tier academic programs. PDs think that the best predictor of how you will do on your ABIM exam is the USMLE. I think it is not fair to allow our poster to be overly optimistic. He can still match at a very good program, but it will be extremely difficult for him to land a top spot.rht said:Congrats on a great first post Proverbs31Chick... that's exactly what I found out in my own interview process. I, contrary to popular opinion, do not, in fact, have a daddy on any acceptance committee and am hardly close to being awarded the nobel prize... I highly doubt anyone with such intelligence would dare venture into medicine in this era. But what I do have is a well-rounded application with glowing letters, a well-written statement, excellent grades... which also contrary to popular opinion can occur in the context of poor step 1 performance. For you new applicants be aware that during the interview season I saw many overly confident applicants with big board scores get dissed by residents when they weren't looking and many humble applicants embraced by those same residents. Afterall, programs are looking for colleagues and co-workers, not egos. Sincerely, dude.
rht said:LaBelle, you're money. I agree that everyone on this website is boarding on a significant axis 2 diagnosis starting with an n. I personally failed step one on two separate occasions, reflected on it, and turned it into a strength. Apparently, Beth Isreal and Stanford didn't have a problem. Anyway, any program that has such a cursory investigation into their applications is hardly what I would consider "competitive."
rht said:LaBelle, you're money. I agree that everyone on this website is boarding on a significant axis 2 diagnosis starting with an n. I personally failed step one on two separate occasions, reflected on it, and turned it into a strength. Apparently, Beth Isreal and Stanford didn't have a problem. Anyway, any program that has such a cursory investigation into their applications is hardly what I would consider "competitive."
Furrball said:I think you're optimistic. I think their are some more like axis II cluster A, with a Dx that starts with an A.
Pili said:Doing poorly on step 1 and having a good application otherwise does not pose the same challenges as FAILING step 1. I too have talked with many PDs and all said that to them, it is a huge red flag. This is true even for low tier academic programs. PDs think that the best predictor of how you will do on your ABIM exam is the USMLE. I think it is not fair to allow our poster to be overly optimistic. He can still match at a very good program, but it will be extremely difficult for him to land a top spot.
LaBelle said:Pili, why do you speak as if you are the ultimate authority on the residency selection process? Do you have a crystal ball in front of you? You make it seem like those of us who have FAILED Step 1 will be branded for life ... that somehow we're inadequate, not worthy or capable of being at a top program, etc ... How ridiculous! The real measure of our success will ultimately come from patient gratitude, not our board scores! Truth is, you've got a much more serious "red flag" on your hands --- it's called being a pompous ass.
I am aware that failing step 1 is a huge letdown, and what we are witnessing is the Kubler Ross stage of denial. I myself did not do so hot in step 1. If those who fail step 1 prefer to believe that MGH will be pouring interviews on them, that's their choice. I for one would recommend maximizing the strengths in the rest of the application, and be fully prepared to not land a top spot. And this is the last I am going to say on this thread.CCMD2005 said:Pili, are you going to take this??? FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!! You need to Give this person a TEXAS STYLE TAKEDOWN
scutmunky said:FAILING the boards is DEFINITELY a red flag--to any tier program in any field (ortho or FP). It is definitely not the end of the world, but it makes life a lot harder and unless one does a sub-I or phenomenal research, most likely will not get any interviews from so-called top tier programs. Not never, but usually not. That being said, the great thing about IM is the # of spots and programs. THere are tons of great programs. Think of rad-onc or ENT or urology. A failing score is almost the kiss of death.