Programs on Probation

[dreambig2night]

If a program is on probation....

What does that mean for the students who ranking these programs this year?

does the program go on probation for several yers before finally terminating?

How often does a program come off of probation?

What happens to those residents?

....I know of a few PMR programs with probational status so just curious

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[pete27]

such as...?

 

[Ludicolo]

I know of one PM&R program currently on probation for 2009-2010. A couple of programs may have been up for their site visit this year, but I’m not aware of any decisions.

Probationary status usually lasts two years. Affected programs failed to demonstrate “substantial compliance” with the ACGME requirements. The reasons for noncompliance can be numerous, but generally they are reasonably correctable. The program has 2 years to get their act together to improve whatever educational deficiencies, quality of life issues, duty hours compliance, etc. got them in trouble in the first place. Sometimes, the program will go ahead and make an honest effort to correct the problems. Other programs may coerce their residents to ensure that their time sheets are filled in [ahem] "properly" or provide the [ahem] "right" answers to the site visitors to ensure accreditation. Nobody wants their program to close, which is the obvious risk of being on probation.

Usually programs come off probation. Most of the time programs don’t close because of accreditation issues. They usually close because of financial issues – see St. Vincent’s and SUNY Buffalo. Provided the program doesn’t close, residents within the program graduate in good standing, at least in the eyes of the ABPMR.

 

[ampaphb]

Washington Hospital Center/Georgetown University Hospital/National Rehabilitation Hospital is the only program publicly listed on the ACGME website.

 

[dreambig2night]

University of Missouri-Columbia is also on probation

 

[RUOkie]

University of Missouri-Columbia is also on probation

Where did you get that info? This was copied from the ACGME website.



University of Missouri-Columbia Program [3402821031]
University of Missouri Hospital & Clinics
Department of PM&R, DC046.00
1 Hospital Drive
Columbia, Missouri 65212

http://som.missouri.edu/pmr

Sponsoring Institution: University of Missouri-Columbia School of Medicine
Specialty: Physical medicine and rehabilitation DIRECTOR INFORMATIONCOORDINATOR INFORMATIONJoseph E. Burris, MD
Program Director
Director First Appointed: July 1, 2007
Phone: (573) 882-3101
Fax: (573) 884-4540
Email:
Judy A. Olson
Residency Program Coordinator

Phone: (573) 882-0406
Email: [email protected]
ACCREDITATION AND GENERAL INFORMATIONOriginal Accreditation Date: June 1, 1963
Accreditation Status: Continued Accreditation
Accreditation Effective Date: August 24, 2007
Accredited Program Length: 3 years

Program Format: Standard

Last Site Visit Date: May 1, 2007
Cycle Length: 5 years
Approximate Date of Next Site Visit: August 1, 2012

Program Requires Prior or Additional GME Training: YES
Number of Prior or Additional Years Required: 1
Program Requires Dedicated Research Year: NO
Government Affiliation: Veterans Administration

 

[SSdoc33]

the RRC, which is the entity that oversees the residecy programs, do site visits every so often. if you have a strong program that meets all the requirement and has their act together, they are put on a 5-year accreditation schedule, where the RRC only returns to review them every 5 years. these are generally, but not always, the better programs. there are also 3 year cycles (dont know about 1 or 2 year cycles). if a program is on probation it doesnt mean that it will go out of business, but probably means that there is a lot of disorganization and not the cream of the residency crop, so to speak. this doesnt mean you cant get a good education there, but it may mean you are going to have to be a lot more self-motivated.

 

[dreambig2night]

Where did you get that info? This was copied from the ACGME website.



University of Missouri-Columbia Program [3402821031]
University of Missouri Hospital & Clinics
Department of PM&R, DC046.00
1 Hospital Drive
Columbia, Missouri 65212

http://som.missouri.edu/pmr

Sponsoring Institution: University of Missouri-Columbia School of Medicine
Specialty: Physical medicine and rehabilitation DIRECTOR INFORMATIONCOORDINATOR INFORMATIONJoseph E. Burris, MD
Program Director
Director First Appointed: July 1, 2007
Phone: (573) 882-3101
Fax: (573) 884-4540
Email:
Judy A. Olson
Residency Program Coordinator

Phone: (573) 882-0406
Email: [email protected]
ACCREDITATION AND GENERAL INFORMATIONOriginal Accreditation Date: June 1, 1963
Accreditation Status: Continued Accreditation
Accreditation Effective Date: August 24, 2007
Accredited Program Length: 3 years

Program Format: Standard

Last Site Visit Date: May 1, 2007
Cycle Length: 5 years
Approximate Date of Next Site Visit: August 1, 2012

Program Requires Prior or Additional GME Training: YES
Number of Prior or Additional Years Required: 1
Program Requires Dedicated Research Year: NO
Government Affiliation: Veterans Administration

I was invited for an interview and along with the invitation came the program is on probation letter from the director.
Maybe they are not on probation anymore....which is

 

[jjwallace]

the RRC, which is the entity that oversees the residecy programs, do site visits every so often. if you have a strong program that meets all the requirement and has their act together, they are put on a 5-year accreditation schedule, where the RRC only returns to review them every 5 years. these are generally, but not always, the better programs. there are also 3 year cycles (dont know about 1 or 2 year cycles). if a program is on probation it doesnt mean that it will go out of business, but probably means that there is a lot of disorganization and not the cream of the residency crop, so to speak. this doesnt mean you cant get a good education there, but it may mean you are going to have to be a lot more self-motivated.

It looks like Mt Sinai recently underwent an ACGME review and only got a 1 year cycle. That's the worst accreditation cycle you can get, probably due to problems going on in that program on other threads. It's worse than NRH's 2 year probationary cycle.

I have never seen any one year cycles either- definitely a red flag for deficiencies in the residency program, I think.

What are the reasons for NRH's probationary status?